The Good, Bad and Ugly vs the Saints

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, Purple_City39 said:

The best part of both plays is he showed no hesitation to make the cuts needed on the routes.  He's not playing with his knee injuries on his mind.

As someone else said, he's also physical.  This isn't Torrey who'll be taken out of games by press coverage.  He had a target he couldn't pull in where it looked like PJ Williams tried to jam him and Perriman spun him all the way around.  

I agree and I know Perriman will be a hit in Baltimore. He plays not scared and honestly he made Bortles look good sometimes when Bortles should have not gotten credit. Half of his film is him diving for way out passes in college. I'm very excited for him because he attacks the ball. Also Mike Wallace looked like a totally different person in preseason attacking balls and doing a great job of attacking the short and intermediate routes. I am very excited for these players. 

[kjbmore]

And we've still got Steve Smith coming back.

Really excited to see everybody healthy and up and running.

Going to go out and call it, we could have the best receiving corps in the league this year

[January J]

Good:

Gonna start with perriman. What a debut. Only 2 catches but his prescense alone just was amazing to see. Looked very fluid and physical off the ball. Great moves- great blocking- and showed like we knew all along he's not just a one trick pony. If this guy stays healthy he could become a true number one. He will open things up for the guys underneath and the running game. Loved seeing that smile on his face and this guy is just radiating with confidence! Dont wanna get too excited just off that limited sample size but He's gonna be dangerous - mark my words.

Moore- just like perriman this guy showed he can do more than just stretch the feild. But man can he fly. He had 2 easy potential tds where he had His man Beat and was slightly overthrown. So glad we have a contingency plan for perriman with not only Wallace but moore as well. Great hands and has a killer double move. And man did he look good on that one kick return. We may have found a gem here. This draft was overall very good ( think we couldve done better in the 2nd and third) and we always find gems in the later rounds.

Butler- i don't know if this guy could have done anything more to earn a roster spot. He has caught literally everything thrown his way, and made play after play. Showed that he can get consistent seperation and made  a sweet toe tapping catch. He has just showed how reliable he can  and I just don't see how the coaching staff can justify cutting him. If so he will be picked up by another team in a flash. So regardless he has earned a job somewhere- just hope its with us. Great selfless attitude and a playmaker. The numbers make it tough but after Watson's injury I think his spot is safe.

Johnson- yet another solid game. He brings a diffrent dynamic to the offense and always provides a spark. This guy Is tyrod Taylor 2.0...awesome on his feet  and showed that he makes good decisions and protects the ball well. If a team like the vikes called and offered even a 7th round pick for mallet i would highly consider it and roll with Johnson. Its risky but mallet may never see the feild anyway so if we can get something for him we might as well since he will most likely be gone next year anyway. Johnson is a viable backup and I love his mobility. I called the qb rollout on that last TD right before the play and he executed it perfectly. He doesn't just run around like a chicken with its head cut off all willy nilly like Rg3.. He stays in the pocket and only takes off when its necessary. He stays calm and collect and I think he's more than capable of carrying this team if the situation called for it. Do i think we keep him over mallet? No- but if anybody offers something for mallet I think we take it.

Judon- yet  another solid game. Shows up on a consistent basis and is always around the ball. This guy could be the real deal. Can't wait to see what he can turn into.

 

Peirce- what a game. He was right on the fringe of a roster spot and i think his performance cemented His spot. This guy is huge and plays like a monster. That strip sack touchdown changed the whole momentum of the and plays like that win you games. He needs to be on this team or somebody else willl snatch him.

Brooks- nothing spectacular but showed good tackling. I can tell he's developing well and he will be solid depth this year.

Tucker/ koch-  perfect game. But what did you expect?

Ochi- very solid game. He's a head scratcher for me BC I don't really understand what their plans are for him. Do they plan on stashing him or just taking the risk of ps'ing him? He's the perfect candidate for the PS and hasnt put out a ton of tape but teams aren't stupid and he was highly sought after after the draft anyway.

We don't have enough room for him on the 53 obviously  but hopefully we can keep developing him and keep him around.

 

BAD

Willie Henry- now Im not talking about his overall performance - but yet again he made what seemed to be a bonehead penalty that once again resulted in points on the board- this time 7.  That is the type of stuff that will make or break a team and be the difference in a win or loss. In this tight division one game could be the difference in a division title. Penalties like this cannot happen and  his lack of discipline is eerily similar to Timmy jernigan. Now in his defense- Harbs said the play was clean and that's how they teach it. I probably need to see the replay again but to me it looked avoidable and he should've pulled up. I didn't want to give them an inch or the satisfaction of a TD and I  wanted to finish the preseason strongly with a blowout. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of  things but just really aggravated me.

-the defenses inability to get off the feild on third and even fourth down has been a reoccurring problem. Once again week after week we just can't get off the feild and if its not an easy completion over the middle its a damn roughing the passer penalty or P.I. gotta get that cleaned up. I realize hardly none of our starters were playing but like i said its a reoccurring theme. Don't know if its the players or more of a pees thing. The bend but don't break scheme is annoying and hasn't worked well for us in the past. However we havent allowed many points so far and most of them we're feild goals. We've also been very stout in the redzone.

-kickoff coverage still needs alot of work. Every game so far the opponents have almost taken one to the house on us and we've given up several big run backs. If that keeps happenin I'd  rather tucker just boot the ball out the endzone. Hopefully we can just chalk it up to them just tryin different players out on ST - BC usually that unit is always strong.

- still always seem to get off to a slow start. It usually takes us about a quarter to get Rollin. We need to do a better job of jumping on teams early during the regular season. Too many times last year we were playing from from behind and that forced us to stray away from the run game.

reynolds- I can't say he had a "bad" game- but once again he just didn't do anything of note. He had the chance to make some plays and failed to do so for the 4th straight game- making it very obvious he's just not ready. Called one fair catch when he had some room to run- it just seems like he's playing it far too safe and playing scared. Got PS written all over him- but even then he has a lonnnnng way to go and even if an injury occurs we would likely sign somebody else before we even brought him up.

- another dropped interception. I believe it was tavon young but i just dont know what it is about this defense constantly having butterfingers. we have to take what other teams give us and stop missing opportunities like that. I'm really hoping Webb and weddle fix that. 

- we got burnt on a couple deep balls- luckily the balls were overthrown. Way too much of that last year and the starters better not let that happen. One of them was will Davis who generally does a good job in coverage.

 

Ugly:

Campanaro- as soon as its assumed he has the return job locked up he makes 2 huge gaffes. Very uncharacteristic of him. Didn't show anything in the receiving game either.  Now I don't think that one play will jeopardize His roster spot- but it didn't look good esp after moore stepped up and made that nice return right after. I think he will continue to be our PR guy but not the KR guy. Moore and Wallace may get more reps in practice this week and they will go with the hot hand. Lord just don't let them get hurt. It might still be camps job- but he didn't do himself any favors last night. Shot himself in the foot and it being the final preseason game before the regular season it will leave a bad taste in the coaches mouth and be fresh on their minds. His spot is still safe though on the team.

 

thats about it on the ugly front. Played a pretty solid game overall and this team has got a TON of potential. Its just up to the coaches to utilize everybody properly. Great for morale to go into the season 4-0 and i think we are more than ready for buffalo. Gonna be extremely important to win that first game to set the tone for the season and to keep the momentum goin. The Sky's the limit - let's get it fellas.

[Filmstudy]

Hi folks.

I posted my notes on the defensive players along with my prediction of 25 defenders they will keep:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/09/02/filmstudy/ravens-23-saints-14/

The big cuts I am projecting are Lewis and Powers, which will help the Ravens get a lot younger if they do so.  I had been telling people that Buffalo might be a natural landing spot for Pierce with their injuries and suspension on the DL, but I don't believe the Ravens want to face that behemoth on 9/11.

Much of the usage of players like Levine, Price, Canady, and Wilson provides insights into their possible inclusion on the roster, but that reasoning is all included in my article if your interested.

Ravens fans will riot if Butler is not retained.  He's simply outplayed Campanaro for the last WR spot, but the Ravens may look outside the organization for their return man.

The Ravens definitely have surplus value to trade at WR, OLB, and perhaps DL.  The 3 players most likely to be traded for some return are KLM, Carter, and Campanaro.

 

[Moderator 3]

3 minutes ago, January J said:

 

BAD

 

-the defenses inability to get off the feild on third and even fourth down has been a reoccurring problem. Once again week after week we just can't get off the feild and if its not an easy completion over the middle its a damn roughing the passer penalty or P.I. gotta get that cleaned up. I realize hardly none of our starters were playing but like i said its a reoccurring theme. Don't know if its the players or more of a pees thing. The bend but don't break scheme is annoying and hasn't worked well for us in the past. However we havent allowed many points so far and most of them we're feild goals. We've also been very stout in the redzone.

 

 

 

This.  Especially when we desperately needed to work on punt returns, it was so frustrating to not be able to force a punt.

[Filmstudy]

11 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Don't be shocked if Carl Davis gets put on IR and we go with  7 Defensive Tackles and ends in rotation. B.Williams, Guy, Urban, Henry, Jernigan, Pierce and KLM. If Davis is healthy then KLM is out. There is also a chance that we may go just 6 and then Davis goes to IR and KLM is out. This opens up a roster spot at CB or LBer. Maybe Sheldon Price or Arthur Brown get the nod because of special teams. This is the hardest 53 man roster to call especially on the O-line and defensive back group.

I think the bolded text is most likely.  KLM has value to someone,  so Ozzie is probably working the phones today looking for a trade partner.

[Filmstudy]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Good:

Gonna start with perriman. What a debut. Only 2 catches but his prescense alone just was amazing to see. Looked very fluid and physical off the ball. Great moves- great blocking- and showed like we knew all along he's not just a one trick pony. If this guy stays healthy he could become a true number one. He will open things up for the guys underneath and the running game. Loved seeing that smile on his face and this guy is just radiating with confidence! Dont wanna get too excited just off that limited sample size but He's gonna be dangerous - mark my words.

Moore- just like perriman this guy showed he can do more than just stretch the feild. But man can he fly. He had 2 easy potential tds where he had His man Beat and was slightly overthrown. So glad we have a contingency plan for perriman with not only Wallace but moore as well. Great hands and has a killer double move. And man did he look good on that one kick return. We may have found a gem here. This draft was overall very good ( think we couldve done better in the 2nd and third) and we always find gems in the later rounds.

Butler- i don't know if this guy could have done anything more to earn a roster spot. He has caught literally everything thrown his way, and made play after play. Showed that he can get consistent seperation and made  a sweet toe tapping catch. He has just showed how reliable he can  and I just don't see how the coaching staff can justify cutting him. If so he will be picked up by another team in a flash. So regardless he has earned a job somewhere- just hope its with us. Great selfless attitude and a playmaker. The numbers make it tough but after Watson's injury I think his spot is safe.

Johnson- yet another solid game. He brings a diffrent dynamic to the offense and always provides a spark. This guy Is tyrod Taylor 2.0...awesome on his feet  and showed that he makes good decisions and protects the ball well. If a team like the vikes called and offered even a 7th round pick for mallet i would highly consider it and roll with Johnson. Its risky but mallet may never see the feild anyway so if we can get something for him we might as well since he will most likely be gone next year anyway. Johnson is a viable backup and I love his mobility. I called the qb rollout on that last TD right before the play and he executed it perfectly. He doesn't just run around like a chicken with its head cut off all willy nilly like Rg3.. He stays in the pocket and only takes off when its necessary. He stays calm and collect and I think he's more than capable of carrying this team if the situation called for it. Do i think we keep him over mallet? No- but if anybody offers something for mallet I think we take it.

Judon- yet  another solid game. Shows up on a consistent basis and is always around the ball. This guy could be the real deal. Can't wait to see what he can turn into.

 

Peirce- what a game. He was right on the fringe of a roster spot and i think his performance cemented His spot. This guy is huge and plays like a monster. That strip sack touchdown changed the whole momentum of the and plays like that win you games. He needs to be on this team or somebody else willl snatch him.

Brooks- nothing spectacular but showed good tackling. I can tell he's developing well and he will be solid depth this year.

Tucker/ koch-  perfect game. But what did you expect?

Ochi- very solid game. He's a head scratcher for me BC I don't really understand what their plans are for him. Do they plan on stashing him or just taking the risk of ps'ing him? He's the perfect candidate for the PS and hasnt put out a ton of tape but teams aren't stupid and he was highly sought after after the draft anyway.

We don't have enough room for him on the 53 obviously  but hopefully we can keep developing him and keep him around.

 

BAD

 

Willie Henry- now Im not talking about his overall performance - but yet again he made what seemed to be a bonehead penalty that once again resulted in points on the board- this time 7.  That is the type of stuff that will make or break a team and be the difference in a win or loss. In this tight division one game could be the difference in a division title. Penalties like this cannot happen and  his lack of discipline is eerily similar to Timmy jernigan. Now in his defense- Harbs said the play was clean and that's how they teach it. I probably need to see the replay again but to me it looked avoidable and he should've pulled up. I didn't want to give them an inch or the satisfaction of a TD and I  wanted to finish the preseason strongly with a blowout. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of  things but just really aggravated me.

-the defenses inability to get off the feild on third and even fourth down has been a reoccurring problem. Once again week after week we just can't get off the feild and if its not an easy completion over the middle its a damn roughing the passer penalty or P.I. gotta get that cleaned up. I realize hardly none of our starters were playing but like i said its a reoccurring theme. Don't know if its the players or more of a pees thing. The bend but don't break scheme is annoying and hasn't worked well for us in the past. However we havent allowed many points so far and most of them we're feild goals. We've also been very stout in the redzone.

-kickoff coverage still needs alot of work. Every game so far the opponents have almost taken one to the house on us and we've given up several big run backs. If that keeps happenin I'd  rather tucker just boot the ball out the endzone. Hopefully we can just chalk it up to them just tryin different players out on ST - BC usually that unit is always strong.

- still always seem to get off to a slow start. It usually takes us about a quarter to get Rollin. We need to do a better job of jumping on teams early during the regular season. Too many times last year we were playing from from behind and that forced us to stray away from the run game.

reynolds- I can't say he had a "bad" game- but once again he just didn't do anything of note. He had the chance to make some plays and failed to do so for the 4th straight game- making it very obvious he's just not ready. Called one fair catch when he had some room to run- it just seems like he's playing it far too safe and playing scared. Got PS written all over him- but even then he has a lonnnnng way to go and even if an injury occurs we would likely sign somebody else before we even brought him up.

- another dropped interception. I believe it was tavon young but i just dont know what it is about this defense constantly having butterfingers. we have to take what other teams give us and stop missing opportunities like that. I'm really hoping Webb and weddle fix that. 

- we got burnt on a couple deep balls- luckily the balls were overthrown. Way too much of that last year and the starters better not let that happen. One of them was will Davis who generally does a good job in coverage.

 

Ugly:

Campanaro- as soon as its assumed he has the return job locked up he makes 2 huge gaffes. Very uncharacteristic of him. Didn't show anything in the receiving game either.  Now I don't think that one play will jeopardize His roster spot- but it didn't look good esp after moore stepped up and made that nice return right after. I think he will continue to be our PR guy but not the KR guy. Moore and Wallace may get more reps in practice this week and they will go with the hot hand. Lord just don't let them get hurt. It might still be camps job- but he didn't do himself any favors last night. Shot himself in the foot and it being the final preseason game before the regular season it will leave a bad taste in the coaches mouth and be fresh on their minds. His spot is still safe though on the team.

 

thats about it on the ugly front. Played a pretty solid game overall and this team has got a TON of potential. Its just up to the coaches to utilize everybody properly. Great for morale to go into the season 4-0 and i think we are more than ready for buffalo. Gonna be extremely important to win that first game to set the tone for the season and to keep the momentum goin. The Sky's the limit - let's get it fellas.

Really good notes.  A few comments:

1. I agree on Mallett/Johnson.  If there is a trade offer for either you can keep the other.

2. I'm mildly concerned about Moore's ability to track deep balls, specifically how he seems to slow while looking for the football.  He would not have had either of the deep balls last night, anyway.

3. I'm not sure what Campy has done to earn a roster spot and if the team is working out Devin Hester, they're clearly dissatisfied with Campanaro.  I expect him to be cut. 

[cobrajet]

6 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Anyone else a bit worried about Correa's weak preseason showing? I pounded my fist for both Myles Jack and Noah Spence during the draft and I was down voted by many on here. Both of whom look miles ahead of Correa (pun totally intended).

I trusted Ozzie/Eric but I already have a sneaking feeling that we whiffed in the 2nd, especially with who was available. Jack's question is longevity and Spence's issue is substance abuse.. only time will tell if those prove to play factors.

Look it's early, Correa was raw and sometimes really good players don't come on until their 2nd or 3rd season. I'm willing to be patient, fingers crossed that he ends up delivering.

 

Yeah, I agree....I was very upset when we passed on Myles Jack and Noah Spence. It is still early yet, so time will tell, but I wish I would have seen more out of Correa this preseason.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, January J said:

Ugly:

Campanaro- as soon as its assumed he has the return job locked up he makes 2 huge gaffes. Very uncharacteristic of him. Didn't show anything in the receiving game either.  Now I don't think that one play will jeopardize His roster spot- but it didn't look good esp after moore stepped up and made that nice return right after. I think he will continue to be our PR guy but not the KR guy. Moore and Wallace may get more reps in practice this week and they will go with the hot hand. Lord just don't let them get hurt. It might still be camps job- but he didn't do himself any favors last night. Shot himself in the foot and it being the final preseason game before the regular season it will leave a bad taste in the coaches mouth and be fresh on their minds. His spot is still safe though on the team.

This is exactly what I was talking about in the News section with you.  I just don't see what he has done to get the spot unless you go off of potential and that's all it is with him.  We used to a member on here, don't know where he is now, said that Camp would be the best slot WR in the NFL, not saying I agree with him but a lot of us thought he could be a huge contributor here and then year after year he just kept getting hurt.  I don't see how Camp would beat out Aiken, BP, Wallace, and from what I have seen...Butler has looked worlds better. 

[January J]

7 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

This is exactly what I was talking about in the News section with you.  I just don't see what he has done to get the spot unless you go off of potential and that's all it is with him.  We used to a member on here, don't know where he is now, said that Camp would be the best slot WR in the NFL, not saying I agree with him but a lot of us thought he could be a huge contributor here and then year after year he just kept getting hurt.  I don't see how Camp would beat out Aiken, BP, Wallace, and from what I have seen...Butler has looked worlds better. 

It wasn't until last night until I finally came to terms with Campanaro being expandable. Butler has outplayed him and deserves his spot. Word is that Hester is in the building trying out as well- so depending on what happens with him could be the deciding factor.

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, January J said:

It wasn't until last night until I finally came to terms with Campanaro being expandable. Butler has outplayed him and deserves his spot. Word is that Hester is in the building trying out as well- so depending on what happens with him could be the deciding factor.

Yea I held on to Camp as well but finally just couldn't reationalize it anymore.  Hester only played in 5 games last year but averaged 26 yards per return, not bad.  But health wise I don't know whats up with him

Edited September 2, 2016 by usmccharles

[CalvinSmoke]

8 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea I held on to Camp as well but finally just couldn't reationalize it anymore.  Hester only played in 5 games last year but averaged 26 yards per return, not bad.  But health wise I don't know whats up with him

Yea I was holding out hope for Camp but I think it's expired. 

Even if we sign Hester and he goes down in week 5, Chris Moore and Kenneth Dixon can hold it down 

[Maryland]

@Filmstudy I just wanted to say your insightful, in-depth analyses on this forum have made me a regular reader at RSR. I really enjoy your articles.

[jazz1988]

11 hours ago, January J said:

It wasn't until last night until I finally came to terms with Campanaro being expandable. Butler has outplayed him and deserves his spot. Word is that Hester is in the building trying out as well- so depending on what happens with him could be the deciding factor.

Butler played well but what else does he bring to the table other than playing well as a receiver.What about his special team play? He's basically no different from Kamar Aiken and it's not like The Ravens are hurting for a 6'2" receiver since Aiken,Moore and Perriman are basically that so unless out of the blue a receiver gets hurt what is Butler bringing to the team other than on offense ? Atleast Camp can be  a kick and punt returner and the coaches know he's talented as a receiver.

Edited September 3, 2016 by jazz1988

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

Butler played well but what else does he bring to the table other than playing well as a receiver.What about his special team play? He's basically no different from Kamar Aiken and it's not like The Ravens are hurting for a 6'2" receiver since Aiken,Moore and Perriman are basically that so unless out of the blue a receiver gets hurt what is Butler bringing to the team other than on offense ? Atleast Camp can be  a kick and punt returner and the coaches know he's talented as a receiver.

Camp can be a punt returner if he stays healthy which he has yet to do. 

Aiken could be gone next year, sr almost certainly will be gone, and if butler proves to be the real deal, then we have options moving forward. Camp can't be counted on, it's that simple.

[jazz1988]

53 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Camp can be a punt returner if he stays healthy which he has yet to do. 

Aiken could be gone next year, sr almost certainly will be gone, and if butler proves to be the real deal, then we have options moving forward. Camp can't be counted on, it's that simple.

I'm not saying Camp is reliable but what is Butler bringing to the table as a sixth  or seventh receiver other than on offense ? if anything I would be more hopefully that  Chris Moore and Breshad Perriman replace Kamar Aiken and Steve Smith when they leave especially since they are The Ravens drafted pick . I have heard no word about Steve Smith and Breshad Perriman having any set backs lately and it's understandable to consider Butler for the future but it doesnt change that he may be sixth or seventh receiver on the roster that brings nothing to the table as a special teamer.

 I cant remember ever in Harbaugh  era where a receiver below fourth on the depth chart made the team and wasn't good on special teams beside Tandon  Doss and Demetrius Williams but they were fourth round picks.

[Filmstudy]

2 hours ago, Maryland said:

@Filmstudy I just wanted to say your insightful, in-depth analyses on this forum have made me a regular reader at RSR. I really enjoy your articles.

Thanks, Maryland.  I read your notes from the Saints game and thought they were spot on.

Ochi reminds me of a more slender Harrison with advantage pad level  and Brooks is still not instinctive enough to be on time for many plays.

Edited September 3, 2016 by Filmstudy

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

I'm not saying Camp is reliable but what is Butler bringing to the table as a sixth  or seventh receiver other than on offense ? if anything I would be more hopefully that  Chris Moore and Breshad Perriman replace Kamar Aiken and Steve Smith when they leave especially since they are The Ravens drafted pick . I have heard no word about Steve Smith and Breshad Perriman having any set backs lately and it's understandable to consider Butler for the future but it doesnt change that he may be sixth or seventh receiver on the roster that brings nothing to the table as a special teamer.

 I cant remember ever in Harbaugh  era where a receiver below fourth on the depth chart made the team and wasn't good on special teams beside Tandon  Doss and Demetrius Williams but they were fourth round picks.

What good does a receiver bring besides offense? Oh idk... Offense maybe? It is a pretty important part of football don't ya think? Matter of fact, id say a wr performing well at wr would be more worth keeping than a wr who can only contribute as a return specialist on the rare occasion that he is healthy... 

Not understanding your argument when you're saying a 6th or 7th receiver has no value if they're only good on offense, it's almost as if you expect full health and we have no need for depth. Butler has been a better wr this offseason, and hasn't shown a complete inability to stay off the trainers table like camp, returner or not, where's the argument?

[Filmstudy]

2 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I'm not saying Camp is reliable but what is Butler bringing to the table as a sixth  or seventh receiver other than on offense ? if anything I would be more hopefully that  Chris Moore and Breshad Perriman replace Kamar Aiken and Steve Smith when they leave especially since they are The Ravens drafted pick . I have heard no word about Steve Smith and Breshad Perriman having any set backs lately and it's understandable to consider Butler for the future but it doesnt change that he may be sixth or seventh receiver on the roster that brings nothing to the table as a special teamer.

 I cant remember ever in Harbaugh  era where a receiver below fourth on the depth chart made the team and wasn't good on special teams beside Tandon  Doss and Demetrius Williams but they were fourth round picks.

Butler played 10 special teams snaps this preseason, but I couldn't tell you in what capacity.

I think you're making the best possible case to cut Butler (limited ST contribution), but I still think the combination of his offense and limited special teams contribution far outweighs Campanaro's combination.  In addition, I think he'll practice for a larger role in kick coverage and kick/punt returns if he makes the roster.  Those snaps are broadly spread in the preseason.  Given his receiving characteristics, Butler seems like an ideal player to have on your "hands" team to counter onside kick attempts.

 

Edited September 3, 2016 by Filmstudy

[BmoreBird22]

18 hours ago, cobrajet said:

Yeah, I agree....I was very upset when we passed on Myles Jack and Noah Spence. It is still early yet, so time will tell, but I wish I would have seen more out of Correa this preseason.

Don't feel like looking for the original post, but I haven't heard a peep on Noah Spence, who the Ravens clearly didn't like, and Myles Jack is clearly a backup at the moment.

Edited September 3, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

Thanks, Maryland.  I read your notes from the Saints game and thought they were spot on.

Ochi reminds me of a more slender Harrison with advantage pad level  and Brooks is still not instinctive enough to be on time for many plays.

Not gonna lie, you are the only reason I ever visit RSR...

With Brooks, he frustrates me so much because you can tell the physical tools are all there to be a really great defensive back, but his head is several steps behind his body.

[rossihunter2]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Don't feel like looking for the original post, but I haven't heard a peep on Noah Spence, who the Ravens clearly didn't like, and Myles Jack is clearly a backup at the moment.

i heard noah spence was looking really good and was flashing pass rush potential quite a bit for the bucs all this offseason and preseason and while myles jack has been backing up he also looked better the longer the preseason went on

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rossihunter2 said:

i heard noah spence was looking really good and was flashing pass rush potential quite a bit for the bucs all this offseason and preseason and while myles jack has been backing up he also looked better the longer the preseason went on

I'm sure they both do, but all three teams are unlikely to get immediate returns or a big contribution from these teams and that's my point.

[rossihunter2]

of the three i imagine spence is most likely to have the biggest initial impact because he'll get into games

[JoeyFlex5]

38 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

i heard noah spence was looking really good and was flashing pass rush potential quite a bit for the bucs all this offseason and preseason and while myles jack has been backing up he also looked better the longer the preseason went on

I heard he looked good at camp but haven't heard a lick about him in games, also the small bit I've watched of him he hasn't done much, he gets off the ball and all but just like Correa he is pretty much washed out once he's engaged. Basically all the shortcomings you could've predicted for him, are showing. I haven't paid any attention to the jags though even though I've desperately wanted to watch them play, I haven't gotten a chance, so idk about Jack. 

As it stands I wouldn't give the edge to any of them, I quite like what I've seen from KC all things considered, I like the versatility and the speed and explosion, and it seems 100% that it's just a matter of the game slowing down, and translating strong practice to strong games. 

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

What good does a receiver bring besides offense? Oh idk... Offense maybe? It is a pretty important part of football don't ya think? Matter of fact, id say a wr performing well at wr would be more worth keeping than a wr who can only contribute as a return specialist on the rare occasion that he is healthy... 

Not understanding your argument when you're saying a 6th or 7th receiver has no value if they're only good on offense, it's almost as if you expect full health and we have no need for depth. Butler has been a better wr this offseason, and hasn't shown a complete inability to stay off the trainers table like camp, returner or not, where's the argument?

Maybe Im not making my self clear enough...Jeremy Butler doesn't bring anything to The Ravens  special team and may barely see any time on offense any way unless one of the top four receivers gets hurt. He's not a drafted player so it's not like The Ravens are heavily invested in him.

Maybe he's a better special teamer than I know but when I think of all the receivers that have made this team in which were less than fourth on The depth chart from Marcus Smith ,Laquan Williams, Deonte Thompson,David Tyree and etc have all been useful on special teams.Every body been raving about how Butler looks in preseason on offense but I been looking to see him not only make plays catching the ball but making plays on special teams. Rather that's making a key stop by tacking the opposing punt or kick returner , making a key block for the punt or kick returner and etc.

I have not seen that from Butler and I think his chances of making the team would have been more clearer if Steve Smith or Breshad Perriman were having set backs but both right now are healthy enough to pay in week 1 .The Ravens arent hurting for pass catchers and Butler a potential solid receiver that right now hasnt impress at all on special teams.

I strongly think his chances of making the team are skeptical base off that alone even if Camp gets cut.One more thing every fan should know a healthy Camp or Camp in general brings something to the offense . I can tell you right now he can be more explosive as a receiver than Butler and his skills as a  receiver isn't really questions but his main concern has been staying healthy.

Edited September 3, 2016 by jazz1988

[harfordravenfan]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Camp can be a punt returner if he stays healthy which he has yet to do. 

Aiken could be gone next year, sr almost certainly will be gone, and if butler proves to be the real deal, then we have options moving forward. Camp can't be counted on, it's that simple.

Exactly how I see things regarding Butler. Looking past this year, Butler is a great player to have on your roster

[DomMcRaven]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Don't feel like looking for the original post, but I haven't heard a peep on Noah Spence, who the Ravens clearly didn't like, and Myles Jack is clearly a backup at the moment.

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I heard he looked good at camp but haven't heard a lick about him in games, also the small bit I've watched of him he hasn't done much, he gets off the ball and all but just like Correa he is pretty much washed out once he's engaged. Basically all the shortcomings you could've predicted for him, are showing. I haven't paid any attention to the jags though even though I've desperately wanted to watch them play, I haven't gotten a chance, so idk about Jack. 

As it stands I wouldn't give the edge to any of them, I quite like what I've seen from KC all things considered, I like the versatility and the speed and explosion, and it seems 100% that it's just a matter of the game slowing down, and translating strong practice to strong games. 

I was just talking to a friend who's a Bucs fan and he said that Spence hasn't looked spectacular or anything, but he hasn't been bad. Or to quote my friend "He's done his job."

 

[Militant X 1]

Good = Ravens 4-0 in the Preseason

Bad = It's just Preseason!

Ugly = It's just Preseason!

Waiting to see how we look in the first 3 games of the regular season.

[DomMcRaven]

1 hour ago, Militant X 1 said:

Good = Ravens 4-0 in the Preseason

Bad = It's just Preseason!

Ugly = It's just Preseason!

Waiting to see how we look in the first 3 games of the regular season.

Again, we (figuratively) see eye to eye.