Next up: Buffalo Bills at M&T Bank Stadium 9/11/16

[Billsfan75]

10 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I will agree wholeheartedly with the bolded part, but I can't say Gilmore isn't overrated if you think he played better than Darby last season.

Gilmore was more consistent than Darby. Darby hit the rookie wall the last quarter of the season. Darby was more spectacular in his play at times, but Gilmore was locked on the #1 receivers all year and usually came out on top. He shut down OBJ hard. 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Billsfan75

[BmoreBird22]

9 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Gilmore was more consistent than Darby. Darby hit the rookie wall the last quarter of the season. Darby was more spectacular in his play at times, but Gilmore was locked on the #1 receivers all year and usually came out on top. He shut down OBJ hard. 

Darby, in that game, allowed one of four targets to be caught for eight yards when covering OBJ. He also recorded a higher coverage grade than Gilmore, who was pretty good with two of four targets for 8 yards as well.

What's more impressive to me is that Darby handles the LCB spot consistently, which is more likely to be targeted than Gilmore's RCB spot.

[StampedeCity]

12 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Gilmore was more consistent than Darby. Darby hit the rookie wall the last quarter of the season. Darby was more spectacular in his play at times, but Gilmore was locked on the #1 receivers all year and usually came out on top. He shut down OBJ hard. 

Stopping the run is the question for the season. If the Bills can do this - we will probably flirt with 9-10 wins. Just give us a damn wildcard!

[berad]

Just now, StampedeCity said:

Stopping the run is the question for the season. If the Bills can do this - we will probably flirt with 9-10 wins. Just give us a damn wildcard!

Beat Brady a couple times... for the whole league lol

[allblackraven]

Both Gilmore and Darby are very good corners and the only issue with Gilmore I'd have is his ability to stay healthy. On his talent and play, he can't be called overrated - that's ridiculous. We'll see how Darby progresses.

I'm scared of Corey Graham though. He's the one controlling that secondary.

[StampedeCity]

1 minute ago, berad said:

Beat Brady a couple times... for the whole league lol

We can beat them week 4 (they will be without Brady)

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Both Gilmore and Darby are very good corners and the only issue with Gilmore I'd have is his ability to stay healthy. On his talent and play, he can't be called overrated - that's ridiculous. We'll see how Darby progresses.

I'm scared of Corey Graham though. He's the one controlling that secondary.

Gilmore is absolutely a top 32 corner, but Darby had a Desmond Trufant type rookie season, which was top 10.  That's where I see him as being overrated. 

He's in a very similar mold to Jimmy Smith in style of play and I think Jimmy would have benefited tremendously had he worked with Rex or had Pagano stay.

[BmoreBird22]

4 minutes ago, StampedeCity said:

Stopping the run is the question for the season. If the Bills can do this - we will probably flirt with 9-10 wins. Just give us a damn wildcard!

I feel like the Bills are rhe very definition of a should be playoff team that just never gets it.

Too bad they lost Dareus, Ragland, and Lawson for time because those three would have been huge.

[Billsfan75]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Gilmore is absolutely a top 32 corner, but Darby had a Desmond Trufant type rookie season, which was top 10.  That's where I see him as being overrated. 

He's in a very similar mold to Jimmy Smith in style of play and I think Jimmy would have benefited tremendously had he worked with Rex or had Pagano stay.

Top 32 really? Go look at the stats. He graded out as the #7 Corner in the NFL.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Billsfan75

[StampedeCity]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I feel like the Bills are rhe very definition of a should be playoff team that just never gets it.

Too bad they lost Dareus, Ragland, and Lawson for time because those three would have been huge.

There's always next year #BuffaloMotto

[allblackraven]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I feel like the Bills are rhe very definition of a should be playoff team that just never gets it.

Too bad they lost Dareus, Ragland, and Lawson for time because those three would have been huge.

Dareus, in particular

 

[BmoreBird22]

10 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Top 32 really? Go look at the stats. He graded out as the #7 Corner in the NFL.

I think it was #22...

Darby was #9

This is according to Rotoworld. I'm seeing conflicting reports in a training camp roundup.

Edited September 6, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Tank 92]

48 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Gilmore is not overrated. Absurd comment by other Bills fan.  The Bills secondary is their main strength and Gilmore is their best and still getting better. The other Ravens poster got it right. You beat the Bills by attacking the middle of the field through the run and the pass. We're not big in the middle without Dareus. One other note, last year the linebackers were terrible at defending running backs but that might have been communication issues that Ed Reed was brought in by Rex to fix. You guys have not mentioned it, but having Ed Reed is an advantage when playing the Ravens.

He might know Joe a little bit, but we are like three OCs and a new roster down the road from Ed's departure.   lol   Not sure he provides an advantage. 

[Sami84]

Here is the thing about our team and why others and even us at times can look at it and say it's not as ''talented'' as other rosters. It's probably the most UNKNOWN team in the league. I think we have found some really good young talent however it's all ''promise'' at this point. If you look at the bills forum they are totally using logical statements about our team being not very good..

and they are right..on PAPER we arent that good. I think in reality we are dangerous because of some of the young talent thats been found. They didnt mentioned matt judon ONCE in their thread..

I'm not saying this team is a surefire success BUT as far as other teams are concerned and their fanbases they just look at the obvious guys and say '' Hey they are old''.. they don't know about the young talent..and i have a hunch a few very good players will come out of this team this year..some rookies and some guys that people outside of owing mills have never heard of.

[ludy51]

21 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

Here is the thing about our team and why others and even us at times can look at it and say it's not as ''talented'' as other rosters. It's probably the most UNKNOWN team in the league. I think we have found some really good young talent however it's all ''promise'' at this point. If you look at the bills forum they are totally using logical statements about our team being not very good..

and they are right..on PAPER we arent that good. I think in reality we are dangerous because of some of the young talent thats been found. They didnt mentioned matt judon ONCE in their thread..

I'm not saying this team is a surefire success BUT as far as other teams are concerned and their fanbases they just look at the obvious guys and say '' Hey they are old''.. they don't know about the young talent..and i have a hunch a few very good players will come out of this team this year..some rookies and some guys that people outside of owing mills have never heard of.

They also called Terrence West a rookie

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, ludy51 said:

They also called Terrence West a rookie

i'll be frank, compared to other fanbases we seem to take more time to KNOW the other teams player(even less known ones)..i can't say the same about most other fanbases.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Sami84

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

i'll be frank, compared to other fanbases we seem to take more time to KNOW the other teams player(even less known ones)..i can't say the same about most other fanbases.

That's impressive if true because most fanbases don't even take the time.to learn their own teams... 

 

But I also get this vibe from a mass majority of ravens fans. Maybe the typical fan in general is just far less knowledgeable about football than many of us...

[Davesta]

How do you guys see the reps being played out for west / forsett? I'm only asking because I have forsett in my fantasy, and it's either I play him or Jonathan Stewart vs broncos D lol

[stampedehero]

On 9/5/2016 at 1:22 PM, Tank 92 said:

I think the original point being made was that Tyrod hasn't been asked to carry the team with his arm, so it's hard to tell if he could do so. Take into account Watkins' play second half last year and their running game it's obvious he had some good help. I think someone also mentioned that the Bills were 0 - 5 when he threw the ball more than 30 times.

 Tyrod is going to be a good one, but it will take a couple, three more years to get a true read on the direction of his career. 

Tank    That is a good read on him  If we can exert OLB pressure and contain the center and guard positions he could be mauled.  I saw that last year..  

[BmoreBird22]

10 hours ago, Sami84 said:

Here is the thing about our team and why others and even us at times can look at it and say it's not as ''talented'' as other rosters. It's probably the most UNKNOWN team in the league. I think we have found some really good young talent however it's all ''promise'' at this point. If you look at the bills forum they are totally using logical statements about our team being not very good..

and they are right..on PAPER we arent that good. I think in reality we are dangerous because of some of the young talent thats been found. They didnt mentioned matt judon ONCE in their thread..

I'm not saying this team is a surefire success BUT as far as other teams are concerned and their fanbases they just look at the obvious guys and say '' Hey they are old''.. they don't know about the young talent..and i have a hunch a few very good players will come out of this team this year..some rookies and some guys that people outside of owing mills have never heard of.

Well, well... a positive post and one I can certainly agree with as far as having a lot of names people just don't know.

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Well, well... a positive post and one I can certainly agree with as far as having a lot of names people just don't know.

I think the team should be ranked around 14-22 in the league right in the middle. And I think some pundits have it right... If everything goes completely wrong again we are a 5-11 team. If everything goes right we can go 11-5. Problem is there are so many factors that play into the situation we could talk for days about all the different factors. We won't know. 

[BillsFanVisitor]

10 hours ago, Sami84 said:

i'll be frank, compared to other fanbases we seem to take more time to KNOW the other teams player(even less known ones)..i can't say the same about most other fanbases.

I had thought that to be true when I first started checking out this board, that Ravens fans are generally more knowledgeable than the average NFL fan.  But then I read and I was struck with the overwhelming sense that this board could not possibly be the primary Ravens board, because its characterization of the Bills was so funky.  

 

Like, Taylor has been described as a one read, run first QB that "dink and dunks."  That is the exact opposite of his game.  He spent more time in the pocket than any other QB in the league last year.  That means a few things, most importantly that he is NOT run first and that he is NOT one read.  In fact, his biggest shortcoming is that he doesn't use the middle of the field and, to use this boards term, does not "dink and dunk."  His deep ball is literally one of the best in the league.  And the thing is, TT was on your team for four years.  Maybe that's how he was when he was here, but I was sort of expecting that you guys followed him while he was at Buffalo.  But that does not seem to be the case.  

 

That aside, I'm really siked for the game.  Best of luck and hopefully no one walks away injured. 

[Sami84]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanVisitor said:

I had thought that to be true when I first started checking out this board, that Ravens fans are generally more knowledgeable than the average NFL fan.  But then I read and I was struck with the overwhelming sense that this board could not possibly be the primary Ravens board, because its characterization of the Bills was so funky.  

 

Like, Taylor has been described as a one read, run first QB that "dink and dunks."  That is the exact opposite of his game.  He spent more time in the pocket than any other QB in the league last year.  That means a few things, most importantly that he is NOT run first and that he is NOT one read.  In fact, his biggest shortcoming is that he doesn't use the middle of the field and, to use this boards term, does not "dink and dunk."  His deep ball is literally one of the best in the league.  And the thing is, TT was on your team for four years.  Maybe that's how he was when he was here, but I was sort of expecting that you guys followed him while he was at Buffalo.  But that does not seem to be the case.  

 

That aside, I'm really siked for the game.  Best of luck and hopefully no one walks away injured. 

 

i never said that about TT. Like I said, there are exceptions. I'm just saying that we are probably the most unknown team in the league. For good reason too. We don't spend on massive free agents and we seldom pick the sexiest picks in the 1st round. TT has a dynamic arm, his decision making has improved tenfold. As far as this game in concerned, while I don't look at preseason being the be all and end all, i have noticed that every year we sucked in preseason we sucked during the regular season while every time we go 4-0 we make the playoffs. We look a different team to last year. Remember we had 20 guys on IR and lost 10 games by 8 points or less. two records.

[JoeyFlex5]

I said he is run first, maybe I was wrong, but I stand by my statement that he's not a high end pocket passer. I know his deep ball is his bread and butter in the passing game and I know he struggles across the middle and I know he struggles with touch passes. I don't know where the dink and dunk came from, that is wayyyy off.

[BillsFanVisitor]

11 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i never said that about TT. Like I said, there are exceptions. I'm just saying that we are probably the most unknown team in the league. For good reason too. We don't spend on massive free agents and we seldom pick the sexiest picks in the 1st round. TT has a dynamic arm, his decision making has improved tenfold. As far as this game in concerned, while I don't look at preseason being the be all and end all, i have noticed that every year we sucked in preseason we sucked during the regular season while every time we go 4-0 we make the playoffs. We look a different team to last year. Remember we had 20 guys on IR and lost 10 games by 8 points or less. two records.

My bad, I didn't mean to imply you said anything about TT; I was more just trying to illustrate a point, and I was referencing other posters.  I only picked yours because you said the Ravens Fan Base knew more than other fan bases.  

I think you make a great point, though.  Not picking the sexiest pick is why the Ravens always have such a solid foundation, and it also leads to your team being a relatively unknown; sort of like that team in the Mass area I choose not to identify by name.

 I forget how the preseason quote goes, but its something like, "the games don't matter, but its important."  Obviously the scheme and the later portions of the game don't matter.  But  you can definitely observe how your guys perform.  All the same, as solid a foundation as the Ravens have, as illustrated by how close the games were last year despite the injuries, its play makers that win in the NFL and get you over that "it was a close game" hump.  Do the Ravens really have enough play makers?  Is Flacco really that good?  Do you think Forsset can break out?  Can Steve Smith really come back from that Achilles?  Seems like an awful lot of hoping. 

[BillsFanVisitor]

17 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I said he is run first, maybe I was wrong, but I stand by my statement that he's not a high end pocket passer. I know his deep ball is his bread and butter in the passing game and I know he struggles across the middle and I know he struggles with touch passes. I don't know where the dink and dunk came from, that is wayyyy off.

You are right, he is not high end, at least not yet; obviously our hope is that he will become that guy.  Please don't take my post as a personal attack.  It was the accumulation of a number of different comments I have seen on this board.  

[The Mom Gene]

6 minutes ago, BillsFanVisitor said:

My bad, I didn't mean to imply you said anything about TT; I was more just trying to illustrate a point, and I was referencing other posters.  I only picked yours because you said the Ravens Fan Base knew more than other fan bases.  

I think you make a great point, though.  Not picking the sexiest pick is why the Ravens always have such a solid foundation, and it also leads to your team being a relatively unknown; sort of like that team in the Mass area I choose not to identify by name.

 I forget how the preseason quote goes, but its something like, "the games don't matter, but its important."  Obviously the scheme and the later portions of the game don't matter.  But  you can definitely observe how your guys perform.  All the same, as solid a foundation as the Ravens have, as illustrated by how close the games were last year despite the injuries, its play makers that win in the NFL and get you over that "it was a close game" hump.  Do the Ravens really have enough play makers?  Is Flacco really that good?  Do you think Forsset can break out?  Can Steve Smith really come back from that Achilles?  Seems like an awful lot of hoping. 

Maybe so...  I speak for myself, but I'm psyched.   That being said..  Flacco, Wallce, Perriman, Smith, Aiken, Pitta, Gillmore, Maxx, Forsett, West, Allen...  Lots of weapons. Probably more then ever before.  And had we not lost Watson???  And that's just the offense.

[BillsFanVisitor]

2 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Maybe so...  I speak for myself, but I'm psyched.   That being said..  Flacco, Wallce, Perriman, Aiken, Pitta, Gillmore, Maxx, Forsett, West, Allen...  Lots of weapons. Probably more then ever before.  And had we not lost Watson???  And that's just the offense.

I mean, I can list every offensive skill guy on our team, but does that really make them a weapon??? Steve Smith has the vet cunning to be effective; Mike Wallace can still break a deep play, heck, even Forsett can break out.  But the others, guys like Aiken, who the Bills cut from the roster, how concerned should we really be?  They have the talent, but it looks very unproven. 

[Sami84]

4 minutes ago, BillsFanVisitor said:

My bad, I didn't mean to imply you said anything about TT; I was more just trying to illustrate a point, and I was referencing other posters.  I only picked yours because you said the Ravens Fan Base knew more than other fan bases.  

I think you make a great point, though.  Not picking the sexiest pick is why the Ravens always have such a solid foundation, and it also leads to your team being a relatively unknown; sort of like that team in the Mass area I choose not to identify by name.

 I forget how the preseason quote goes, but its something like, "the games don't matter, but its important."  Obviously the scheme and the later portions of the game don't matter.  But  you can definitely observe how your guys perform.  All the same, as solid a foundation as the Ravens have, as illustrated by how close the games were last year despite the injuries, its play makers that win in the NFL and get you over that "it was a close game" hump.  Do the Ravens really have enough play makers?  Is Flacco really that good?  Do you think Forsset can break out?  Can Steve Smith really come back from that Achilles?  Seems like an awful lot of hoping. 

 

Flacco has shown that if he is protected he can win. Believe me, he is the most infuriating QB i've ever come across. It's not really about those guys you mentioned. Kenneth dixon ( who'll be back at around week 3) has looked like an absolute star and terrence west has dropped a LOT of weight and looks like a much better player than he has ever been. We now have 3 legit deep threats in perriman,wallace and chris moore. Moore has really impressed this pre season..great speed and route running. Another key is our TE's. Pitta, Williams, GIlmore and Boyle/waller when they come back. Thats as good of a TE group i've seen in a long time. Steve smith for once won't be so important to us. If he happens to play great, then thats a bonus. Matt Judon is looking like a total beast. I havent been as impressed since pernell mcphee in 2011.

[BmoreBird22]

34 minutes ago, BillsFanVisitor said:

Like, Taylor has been described as a one read, run first QB that "dink and dunks."  That is the exact opposite of his game.  He spent more time in the pocket than any other QB in the league last year.  That means a few things, most importantly that he is NOT run first and that he is NOT one read.  In fact, his biggest shortcoming is that he doesn't use the middle of the field and, to use this boards term, does not "dink and dunk."  His deep ball is literally one of the best in the league.  And the thing is, TT was on your team for four years.  Maybe that's how he was when he was here, but I was sort of expecting that you guys followed him while he was at Buffalo.  But that does not seem to be the case.  

You got a stat for that particular claim? I'd be curious to see it.