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48 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Do you think that's a good thing? He gave up 78 pressures in his rookie season and was equally bad in his second season. 

He didn't play in year three, as far as I know, and for good reason. 

I'd be really hyped to trot out Jordan Mills if I'm a Bills fan.

By the way, you can go back, but I'm almost certain I acknowledged him as the starting right turnstile.

Again putting words in my mouth. Did I say he was good? He is their worst starter on both sides. I said he was the starter, not Kujo. I came to this board to have civil discussion. I tried to be objective but it is populated by a bunch of precious snowflakes who fly off the handle at the slightest disagreement. Go look at my posts and your childish inane reactions.  I'm outta here. BTW, you guys probably have the least intimidating offense. A 37 year old receiver coming off an achilles, a 33 yr old receiver who failed miserably in Miami, a rookie coming off an injury and a decent #2 who was cut from our team.  Real scary.  

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7 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Again putting words in my mouth. Did I say he was good? He is their worst starter on both sides. I said he was the starter, not Kujo you twerp. I came to this board to have civil discussion. I tried to be objective but it is populated by a bunch of precious snowflakes who fly off the handle at the slightest disagreement. Go look at my posts and your childish inane reactions.  I'm outta here. BTW, you guys probably have the least intimidating offense. A 37 year old receiver coming off an achilles, a 33 yr old receiver who failed miserably in Miami, a rookie coming off an injury and a decent #2 who was cut from our team.  Real scary.  

 

whos the 33 year old reciever? has it also ever occured to you that players can improve? I can name you plenty of pro bowl players who were cut by their teams at the start of their careers

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12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

you had me going until you called it a work of art and trestman a mad scientist lol. 

not one ravens fan should be sold on trestman yet, we have hopes, but hes got a track record that should make us all take pause.

 

59 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Good luck with yourself. Clearly feel the need to compensate for something lacking in yourself that you have to come to a Ravens forum and defend every post that you perceive as a knock against your team.

Its the NFL, so sure, theres a chance you'll win. But, if you think your team is better than ours - you're crazy. Here's the difference - the Ravens are a team thats a playoff contender this year, and if they get in can actually do damage against teams like the Pats, Steelers, Broncos, etc... Whereas even if the Bills are a play off contender this year (which you wont be, because you have no shot with the Pats.... as usual... btw we beat them pretty regularly) you're not a threat to win anything once there.

Rex is done. Hes not a HC. Tyrod had a great year. Frankly, I think we've seen the best of him. He may reach those heights at times again in the future, but i dont think he's going to put together a full season ever again like he did last year. Teams have tape on him now. Hes not a surprise. Btw, Rex doesnt do well against the Ravens. Check his record against us with the Jets. Former Ravens usually dont do well against us.

Healthy Jimmy Smith has locked down Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Megatron, Josh Gordon, Hopkins, etc.... he's finally healthy again and ready to ball out. Watkins isnt scaring anyone.  Your LBs are trash. Your top 2 corners are good, and may do a good job against our top 2 receivers... but Aiken, Perriman, and our TEs are going to abuse your sub package DBs.

Your safeties are, meh. They dont have the speed to hang with Moore, Perriman, and Wallace. WHich means theyre going to have to drop. Give space. Play safe. Do that and our run game and slot receivers/TEs will destroy your nickel/LBs. Add a guy in the box to stop our run/short passing game and Perriman, Wallace and Moore are gonna score in 1 play.

 

Mark my words. This will be one of the most explosive offenses youll see all year. It may not be 100% oiled up and ready to go since its week 1 and a couple key pieces (Perriman, Steve Smith, Pitta, Flacco) havent had a bunch of time together yet.... but its still going to be a work of art with the mad scientist Trestman pulling the strings behind the scenes.

By far, the most delusional fan base I have ever seen. By far. You were 5-11 last year. "Watkins isn't scaring anyone." LOL.

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1 minute ago, Billsfan75 said:

 

By far, the most delusional fan base I have ever seen. By far. You were 5-11 last year. "Watkins isn't scaring anyone." LOL.

 

yeah..we had a buffalo bills like season. season before that we were close to the SB.

look..at this stage of the season everyones cocky..lets see whats at hand in 4 weeks before people start making accounts on other teams boards and trolling

 

taking into account that the bills have done nothing for what seems like decades and we have a season where we go 5-11 and have 21 players on IR and lose 10 games by 8 points or less and yet have been a perennial playoff team for the past 9 seasons with a SB win i think you're the one whos getting overly deluded.

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4 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

 

By far, the most delusional fan base I have ever seen. By far. You were 5-11 last year. "Watkins isn't scaring anyone." LOL.

Every game lost was by 3 or less points.

We were missing just about our entire offense and most of the defense...  19 people on IR.

We are a different team this year.

Most analysts will tell you the same thing.

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2 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

Every game lost was by 3 or less points.

We were missing just about our entire offense and most of the defense...  19 people on IR.

We are a different team this year.

Most analysts will tell you the same thing.

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21 actually..its been stated at 20 but one guy was cut. and it was 8 points or less..but most were 3

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11 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

 

By far, the most delusional fan base I have ever seen. By far. You were 5-11 last year. "Watkins isn't scaring anyone." LOL.

It was 6-10 in reality.

And that wasnt this team. What a bunch of 3rd string and practice squad players did in a Ravens uniform has absolutely no impact on what this crew will do. The last time the majority of these guys were together and healthy we were close to the SB. Something your team doesnt have one of, and hasnt sniffed well since your adolescence if the '75 indicates what i think it does.

And, if it really does indicate what i think it does - dude - get a life. If youre younger, ok then, but that means  youve probably never even seen a competitive Bills team. When youve actually witnessed and seen what winning football looks like, and what it takes to make a winning football team, then come talk to us.

 

A Bills fan telling a Ravens fan why theyre going to be better is like a blind man trying to explain the color spectrum to someone with sight. 

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31 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Again putting words in my mouth. Did I say he was good? He is their worst starter on both sides. I said he was the starter, not Kujo. I came to this board to have civil discussion. I tried to be objective but it is populated by a bunch of precious snowflakes who fly off the handle at the slightest disagreement. Go look at my posts and your childish inane reactions.  I'm outta here. BTW, you guys probably have the least intimidating offense. A 37 year old receiver coming off an achilles, a 33 yr old receiver who failed miserably in Miami, a rookie coming off an injury and a decent #2 who was cut from our team.  Real scary.  

Well, talk about immature. Never once did I put words in your mouth or make an assumption; I just pointed out that he's one of the worst starting RT's in the league, but let's fly off the deep end.

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28 minutes ago, Billsfan75 said:

Again putting words in my mouth. Did I say he was good? He is their worst starter on both sides. I said he was the starter, not Kujo you twerp. I came to this board to have civil discussion. I tried to be objective but it is populated by a bunch of precious snowflakes who fly off the handle at the slightest disagreement. Go look at my posts and your childish inane reactions.  I'm outta here. BTW, you guys probably have the least intimidating offense. A 37 year old receiver coming off an achilles, a 33 yr old receiver who failed miserably in Miami, a rookie coming off an injury and a decent #2 who was cut from our team.  Real scary.  

Well, thats really going to tell us something about your defense then when this least intimidating offense in the NFL lights the crap out of your defense.

Steve Smith was the 2nd or 3rd leading receiver before getting injured last year. He was 36 then.... but omg 37 now! IDK if that bag of bones will even be able to suit up. Dudes better than Watkins still.

Idk who the 33 year old is... but Wallace was playing with QBs who had pop gun arms and couldnt take advantage of his skill set. Flacco can and will, just like he did with Torrey. We see what Torrey is now away from Joe.

That rookie is 6'2" and runs a 4.2 40 who can leap and has very good hands. Good luck with your sub package players stopping him. And Aiken as a #1 receiver, over the 2nd half of the season was a top 10 receiver in the league. Not my words... facts. But yea, im sure your 3rd and 4th corners can check him, since most #1s couldnt.

You completely left out the TEs. Even without Watson its one of the most balanced and deep groups in the league.

And your failed to mention our RBs... of which Forsett was a Pro Bowler 2 years ago and is probably 3rd best in the group. West is going to explode all over your LB-less defense this weekend. You're lucky Dixon isnt healthy or you'd be his stepping stone to stardom. It wouldve been fun to watch him plant his foot in your face as he launches himself into the stratosphere and into consideration for offensive rookie of the year. Guess we'll just have to hold off a couple weeks and some other over-confident, losing fan base to walk all over.

 

And our QB. The SB MVP QB. The one who won the most games in the first 6 years of his career in history. The one who has already won more road playoff games than any QB in history. The QB who regularly slays Brady, Manning, Roethlisberger, name-your-favorite-QB in the playoffs. The QB who's done all this with no more than a below average cast of weapons. 

Joe finally has some toys. And as Ravens Nation is having a blast with all our brand new shiny toys, we'll be sure to laugh with joy in your face as they're used to destroy your Bills this weekend.

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That 37 year old is Steve Smith. I never ever count that guy out. Even if he isn't what he used to be, he's still a weapon.

 

Youre defense is hurting big time in the middle. Kyle Williams isn't the player he used to be... Jerry Hughes scares me, but Preston Brown was terrible last year, and while Zach Brown is a decent player, hes not the best vs the run. Granted, it's a Rex Ryan defense so it should be effective, but Jerry Hughes is the guy that scares me. Hope Ronnie can hold his own against him. 

 

But the safeties are meh. Gillmore and Darby are a problem but the way to beat this team is in the middle.

 

As for their offense, it's a damn shame we have no Doom. No Doom vs the backup RT and backup RG(I think)=eating them for breakfast. But we still have a good run defense as long as Williams is there. I think McCoy could have a good game but that we could hold him at bay.  Watkins is a problem, but outside of him their other threats are lacking. Charles Clay is a good player, but nothing I'm too scared about...

 

Overall I think we can win this game. We have firepower and they're lacking in the trenches overall. That right side of their oline is a big weakness and then the dline without Dareus really doesn't scare me. 

 

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10 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

That 37 year old is Steve Smith. I never ever count that guy out. Even if he isn't what he used to be, he's still a weapon.

 

Youre defense is hurting big time in the middle. Kyle Williams isn't the player he used to be... Jerry Hughes scares me, but Preston Brown was terrible last year, and while Zach Brown is a decent player, hes not the best vs the run. Granted, it's a Rex Ryan defense so it should be effective, but Jerry Hughes is the guy that scares me. Hope Ronnie can hold his own against him. 

 

But the safeties are meh. Gillmore and Darby are a problem but the way to beat this team is in the middle.

 

As for their offense, it's a damn shame we have no Doom. No Doom vs the backup RT and backup RG(I think)=eating them for breakfast. But we still have a good run defense as long as Williams is there. I think McCoy could have a good game but that we could hold him at bay.  Watkins is a problem, but outside of him their other threats are lacking. Charles Clay is a good player, but nothing I'm too scared about...

 

Overall I think we can win this game. We have firepower and they're lacking in the trenches overall. That right side of their oline is a big weakness and then the dline without Dareus really doesn't scare me. 

 

Nothing about the Bills scares me. Period.

Watkins will start whining if he doesnt get the targets he wants in the first half. And Jimmys gonna lock him out. Not worried. He'll get a few catches, but nothing game breaking. After that, nothing at all to worry about.

Shady will dance around a lot but he wont go anywhere. He may get one or two good chunk runs but most will be stuffed at the line or in the backfield.

And youre right about Doom eating well if he was in, but that just means Big Z and Judon are gonna have one heck of a welcoming party. 

The only thing i like about the Bills team, besides Tyrod, is their starting corners and Graham. But, they can only defend 2 of our weapons, which means we're going to have 2-3 mismatches on most plays. And Graham doesnt have the speed anymore to be effective help over the top.

And, these are the types of corners SSS has a field day with. Young, athletic, up and coming guys full of confidence. The masters gonna learn them a thing or two about route running, precision, and just pure desire can do to overcome athleticism and talent.

 

The biggest factor that has me confident is Trestman. We finally have an OC who will actually take what is there. In the past I feel like we'd constantly trot our 2 WR sets which would play right into their hands and not exploit the fact that our WR depth is an advantage over their CB depth.

He's gonna use multiple TE's at times to take advantage of their lack of LBs. He's gonna stretch it long, then wide, and then pound them short.

Trestman is going to attack their every weakness and always be one step ahead.

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Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Nothing about the Bills scares me. Period.

Watkins will start whining if he doesnt get the targets he wants in the first half. And Jimmys gonna lock him out. Not worried. He'll get a few catches, but nothing game breaking. After that, nothing at all to worry about.

Shady will dance around a lot but he wont go anywhere. He may get one or two good chunk runs but most will be stuffed at the line or in the backfield.

And youre right about Doom eating well if he was in, but that just means Big Z and Judon are gonna have one heck of a welcoming party. 

The only thing i like about the Bills team, besides Tyrod, is their starting corners and Graham. But, they can only defend 2 of our weapons, which means we're going to have 2-3 mismatches on most plays. And Graham doesnt have the speed anymore to be effective help over the top.

And, these are the types of corners SSS has a field day with. Young, athletic, up and coming guys full of confidence. The masters gonna learn them a thing or two about route running, precision, and just pure desire can do to overcome athleticism and talent.

 

calm down..don't be like them..

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3 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

calm down..don't be like them..

Im not being like anyone, and not worked up. There really isnt much about them that scares me.

Most people paying close attention to them have them in the same realm as the Browns, Eagles, Aints, Chargers... with injuries and suspensions theyre depleted.

Say what you want. The Ravens will back up what im saying.

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5 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Im not being like anyone, and not worked up. There really isnt much about them that scares me.

Most people paying close attention to them have them in the same realm as the Browns, Eagles, Aints, Chargers... with injuries and suspensions theyre depleted.

Say what you want. The Ravens will back up what im saying.

 

i actually think the browns have a boatload of real talent this year..the only issue is they lack experience..they are on the up..

 

 

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1 hour ago, Billsfan75 said:

Again putting words in my mouth. Did I say he was good? He is their worst starter on both sides. I said he was the starter, not Kujo. I came to this board to have civil discussion. I tried to be objective but it is populated by a bunch of precious snowflakes who fly off the handle at the slightest disagreement. Go look at my posts and your childish inane reactions.  I'm outta here. BTW, you guys probably have the least intimidating offense. A 37 year old receiver coming off an achilles, a 33 yr old receiver who failed miserably in Miami, a rookie coming off an injury and a decent #2 who was cut from our team.  Real scary.  

Lol I had a simple discussion about Mario Williams and you make a ridiculous assumption that I basically think all opposition is inferior. You're the one coming in here aggressive, defensive, and snappy. Good riddance.

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2 hours ago, Billsfan75 said:

 Your team deteriorated because you lost your hall of fame talent. Your team is not very good anymore.  

lol   Be sure to stop back by Sunday evening to give us an update on this.

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A 5-11 season after losing your franchise pass rusher and franchise QB and two of his top weapons (Torrey Smith and his hands and Dennis Pitta) without a LT for most of the season and we're suddenly not very good? I mean, I get it that we're not really scaring anyone here. I wouldn't be scared, either; however, we were in every game and we're missing our top draft choice last year and we just lost our offensive coordinator who helped us nearly make the AFCCG if not for a secondary that was ravaged by injuries. 

Both of these teams are good. It's not like the Bills are chumps or anything and I doubt we'll blow them out. Yeah, Reed, Rex, and Taylor all played or coached here for years, but most of the guys here are guys who weren't here when they were here. The argument goes both ways, too. It's not like they are the only ones who know how the Ravens do business because Steve Smith, Joe Flacco, Yanda, and others played against a Rex Ryan defense before and we've beat them. We also beat Ed Reed when he was in Houston. Taylor, yeah, he knows the defense but quite a few of those guys on defense, like Suggs, know Taylor, too. Bills aren't steamrolling the Ravens and I doubt we steamroll them. 

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The Jimmy Smith and Sammy Watkins match-up should be really interesting this game. I think it could possibly set the tone and/or act as a barometer as to where our D Backfield and Pass Rush are currently. 

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5 hours ago, ludy51 said:

4 games of "flukes"?

You guys aren't being fair to the Bills fans.  You need to compare him to the Ravens alternative:

Completes: 71

Attempts: 123

Yards: 799

TDs: 4

INTs: 5

Passer Rating: 71.2

Sacked: 14 times for 91 yards

Fumbles: 8

Wouldn't you rather have that guy?  

 

So who is this guy:  Tony Banks?  Trent Dilfer,  Scott Mitchell?

Nope.  It's the composite of the last 4 passing games for Bills QBs in the playoffs.

And before you say it, I know it's not a fair comparison.  The game has changed a lot since that era.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sami84 said:

calm down..don't be like them..

You're like that cousin who picks on all the younger cousins, but will go to war if someone else tries to pick on those same younger cousins. 

You have a ton of negative views on this team, but as soon as the Bills fans came talking negative about the Ravens, you seem to be defending the team harder than anyone else. lol. 

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5 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

You're like that cousin who picks on all the younger cousins, but will go to war if someone else tries to pick on those same younger cousins. 

You have a ton of negative views on this team, but as soon as the Bills fans came talking negative about the Ravens, you seem to be defending the team harder than anyone else. lol. 

 

i'll put it to you this way,I wouldnt feel great about the Billls roster. I'm a realist. We have been let down by the FO IMHO since the superbowl win. I have a feeling we might have unearthed some talent though that can make a difference. At this moment we are the epitome of a dark horse. However, i know the bills roster and they have some nerve. I'm actually more scared of the browns in the next game. I think they have some elite talent coming up..so when a bills fan comes on here and acts like they have a better roster than ours i have to lol. We have much more DEPTH on our team then they do, talent wise. They might have the best WR out there and the best TWO corners out there BUT what about the rest of the team? It lacks depth.

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1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

A 5-11 season after losing your franchise pass rusher and franchise QB and two of his top weapons (Torrey Smith and his hands and Dennis Pitta) without a LT for most of the season and we're suddenly not very good? I mean, I get it that we're not really scaring anyone here. I wouldn't be scared, either; however, we were in every game and we're missing our top draft choice last year and we just lost our offensive coordinator who helped us nearly make the AFCCG if not for a secondary that was ravaged by injuries. 

Both of these teams are good. It's not like the Bills are chumps or anything and I doubt we'll blow them out. Yeah, Reed, Rex, and Taylor all played or coached here for years, but most of the guys here are guys who weren't here when they were here. The argument goes both ways, too. It's not like they are the only ones who know how the Ravens do business because Steve Smith, Joe Flacco, Yanda, and others played against a Rex Ryan defense before and we've beat them. We also beat Ed Reed when he was in Houston. Taylor, yeah, he knows the defense but quite a few of those guys on defense, like Suggs, know Taylor, too. Bills aren't steamrolling the Ravens and I doubt we steamroll them. 

Basically this. I'll say that as far as the league is concerned you are as good as your latest record and we're a 5-11 side until proven otherwise. I'm convinced we will prove otherwise, and hopefully sooner rather than later, but the onus is on us to earn the respect back as a good team and we still haven't done that yet (for obvious reasons).

I think we'll win this, but it'll be close. The Bills are a good team, but so are we, and hopefully this week we get to make a start proving that to people. I also think we're the better team at home. Our Bills fan guest says we don't have a playmaker to get onto ESPN's plays of the week, but our passing game has always been more nuanced than that. Joe's a fantastic quarterback and our offensive game has always been run-first and getting a number of small plays (not to mention the deep ball now that we have Wallace and Perriman) that make ourreceiver group greater than the sum of its parts.

One final point is that I don't really have a problem with the Bills fans' collective optimism. Go to any forum (aside from the Browns, Saints or 49ers) and you'll find the exact same thing. Everyone thinks their side is playoff-bound this season. But just like the onus is on us to prove we're a good side again, the onus is on them to prove they deserve to play in January. And the logic that says we were 5-11 last year goes the same way about their recent playoff record (oh wait...).

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First of all I am so glad we're back to football at last!  The long drought is over!

In my opinion, the key match up will be the Sammy Watkins vs. Jimmy Smith.  I am expecting Dean Pees is planning to give Jimmy help over the top to minimize Watkins big play threat.  I will always have faith in our defense to be stout against the run, especially with Sizzle fired up to get back on the field.  Tyrod is an X factor, over the past couple years we haven't been strong against mobile QBs but I'm hoping that our youth infusion mixed with maybe knowing some of Tyrod's tendencies will work out for us here.

On the offensive side of the ball it has to just be about execution.  I'd love to see Joe just spread the ball around, particularly getting some touches for Pitta, S.S.Sr and Perriman as it's their first game back at The Bank (or first game ever at home!!) after long injuries.  No Dixon at RB but Forsett, West and Buck Allen are good backs if the line can open up some holes for them.

I think we win but don't be surprised if it's a close one, I don't expect the Bills to be pushovers.  I feel we have the edge as we're at home and have so many key players coming back to the team with something to prove.  Here's to a good game and no injuries on either side!

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34 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

i'll put it to you this way,I wouldnt feel great about the Billls roster. I'm a realist. We have been let down by the FO IMHO since the superbowl win. I have a feeling we might have unearthed some talent though that can make a difference. At this moment we are the epitome of a dark horse. However, i know the bills roster and they have some nerve. I'm actually more scared of the browns in the next game. I think they have some elite talent coming up..so when a bills fan comes on here and acts like they have a better roster than ours i have to lol. We have much more DEPTH on our team then they do, talent wise. They might have the best WR out there and the best TWO corners out there BUT what about the rest of the team? It lacks depth.

I wouldn't say we've been let down, but things have been rough since the SB win. Working in the field I do, I understand the compounding effect of a long term strategy. I also understand the allure of immediate returns. I'm always amazed when I sit down with a couple in their late 20s, early 30s and put a retirement program in place for them, they have 30 to 40 more years of working before retirement and despite the fact that I educate them on this being a long term strategy, the very next year they are expecting to see their statements show a thousands of dollars in gains. Often times it doesn't work that way. They'll be ups and they'll be downs,. but the power of compounding interest basically says if you continue to do the right things long enough your gains will grow tremendously. 

So liking this to the Ravens, I think Ozzie and company have continued to do things the right way each year. But the nature of life is that not every move you make will work. So the team made a ton of great decisions since 2006 until now but also some not so good decision. In the investment world you have what are called valued stocks. These are companies that have a proven track record of success but for whatever reason they've had some down years but you'd be start to bet on these companies having a bounce back. This is Ozzie and Eric imo. Elam, Brooks, Brown and some others at the top of the draft have caused the team to go down a bit, but we'd be smart to bet on Ozzie and company. 

Looking at teams like the Bills and the Browns makes me appreciate Ozzie and company. These teams might have some stud talent in areas that the Ravens don't because typically they are drafting much higher in the draft each year. However as you pointed out the Ravens typically have great depth on this team each year. That's where the value of this FO lies imo. The ability to build a team that can compete for a championship each year as long as they stay healthy. 

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Man I hope our guys are healthy.. Flacco,Suggs,89,jimmy ,Webb etc 

 

if we healthy, we dominate Sunday 

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Hoping he doesn't have a huge impact on the game Sunday, but I wanna see the real Tucker return. Tuck missed some FGs that he usually hits and some of them directly led to losses last year. 

This guy is arguably the best kicker in the NFL and I think he'll be right back to being a stud this year. 

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37 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Hoping he doesn't have a huge impact on the game Sunday, but I wanna see the real Tucker return. Tuck missed some FGs that he usually hits and some of them directly led to losses last year. 

This guy is arguably the best kicker in the NFL and I think he'll be right back to being a stud this year. 

He did miss a couple that he should have made, but saying they "directly led to losses" is a bit of a reach don't you think?

All but one of his misses were over 50 and please correct me if I'm wrong,but I don't recall Tucker missing a game winner

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