[News] Late For Work 8/30: Perriman's Long-Awaited Debut Here? Flacco's Release 'Scorching Fast'

[757RavensFan]

31 minutes ago, 20306cab said:

PR skills, huh? FIVE PR's in TWO years. Camp is small, and proven to be fragile. I'd take Butler and Moore over Camp in a heartbeat. They can catch the ball, and can also be gunners on ST's. Bigger, faster, stronger. By the Way, Webb is the best PR they have.

Webb is the best fair catch punt returner we have. 

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  3 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Butler is on 53 man roster for sure, especially with the injury to Dixon and Watson. The question comes between C. Moore and Campanaro. I think Campanao falls short because of the medical history.

And we wouldn't have a single decent punt returner if he's cut. If they only keep 6 WRs, Camp will make it over Butler b/c of Camp's PR skills. 

I would love to see Butler or Aiken back there fielding punts. They obviously have the hand eye coordination and with 6 WR's the Ravens can afford to get more use from their WR core and still keep players fresh. Biggest skills necessary to do well as PR are good hands to cleanly catch the football and the ability to read blocks correctly. Speed and moves are helpful, but rarely translate to instant success. Most times you gotta follow your blocks through the first wave of defenders before making a guy miss can spring you for big returns. Heck if Perriman can remain healthy I'd even give him some reps to see what he can do. A PR specialist is no longer the strategy the Ravens are going for by the sounds of it. They are looking for someone that can handle PR in addition to their pther role(s).

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  4 hours ago, 20306cab said:

Man, Kruger is ONE guy I would at least look at. I guess he got released for a reason, but it can't hurt to talk to him. Suggs and Doom aren't getting any younger, and the injury thing is a real possibility. The rest of the guys they have, other than McClellan, have proven nothing. Hey, getting out of Cleveland could revitalize anyone.

I'd take our young guns over Kruger any day. Z. Smith is going to have a productive season, and Correa will get snaps at every LB position. Suggs and Doom will do their thing, and Judon will spell them in pass rush situations sometimes. Then add in McClellan who is stout against the run. Tell me, where is Kruger needed? He has had 2 decent seasons in his 7 year career.

Suggs, Doom, Smith, Correa, Judon, and McClellan.

Kruger doesn't fit here.

Only way Kruger joins Ravens again would be the result of many injuries and a mid-season addition. It only makes sense at this point due to having previous experience within the organization. The Ravens also probably already have a very good idea of what Kruger would add and contribute. Key is he will be more expensive than the younger players who can be developed into key contributors.

[757RavensFan]

Just now, Ravenous_Ravens said:

I would love to see Butler or Aiken back there fielding punts. They obviously have the hand eye coordination and with 6 WR's the Ravens can afford to get more use from their WR core and still keep players fresh. Biggest skills necessary to do well as PR are good hands to cleanly catch the football and the ability to read blocks correctly. Speed and moves are helpful, but rarely translate to instant success. Most times you gotta follow your blocks through the first wave of defenders before making a guy miss can spring you for big returns. Heck if Perriman can remain healthy I'd even give him some reps to see what he can do. A PR specialist is no longer the strategy the Ravens are going for by the sounds of it. They are looking for someone that can handle PR in addition to their pther role(s).

I would like to think over the past 3 years, they've at least tried Butler or Aiken at punt returner.  I would like to see them try Chris Moore at PR and KR.  Even though he'll make the team I think his playing time will be very limited since he's behind Wallace and Perriman.  Might as well get on the field as a PR or KR.  

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I think the battle we need to be looking at is the battle between Urschel and Zuttah for starting center. Zuttah has been manhandled all preseason and now he is injured and missing practice again. He is paid a lot more money than Urschel and there is virtually no loss of skill by putting Urschel in his spot. As we learned with Matt Birk, the center certainly needs intellect to identify the defense and call the right blocking scheme. That is something Urschel can handle well. Also, Urschel doesn't have the bulk that Lewis has and is better suited to be a center than a guard, which has to have that mauler mentallity. Now, the hold up on that is that Urschel can't seem to get better from a soft tissue injury. Unless that soft tissue is his privates, I don't see why it should take him 3 weeks to recover from a bruise.

I definitely agree with the Zuttah vs Urschel for starting C position battle. This issue has been slowly developing as Urschel becomes more capable and Zuttah continues to age. Not sure when that right time to make the official transition is, but it would not surprise me at all if this way the season it goes down. Only question would be who the backup C would be then. If Urschel becomes starting C, they most likely do not retain Zuttah on a more expensive contract. Of course this whole issue could simply be addressed next off season/draft.

Regarding soft tissue injuries, IMHO most times these cover bruising and strains/pulls. Strains and pulls obviously vary with regards to healing and depending on the nature of the injury.

[Cawtious]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Could be wrong, but I believe Jensen has been the one taking snaps at center in Zuttah's absence. It seems those two are somewhat "competing" for that role, not Urschel.

Believe Urschel is squarely being considered for LG only at this point. I don't think the coaching staff was very happy with his play at C last season.

All moot, because Zuttah is a fine C and will be the starter there unless he gets hurt.

In the first preseason game, Urschel relieved Zuttah, sliding from LG to C,  and Lewis went to guard on the first series that Zuttah and Yanda went out.  Jensen came in afterwards to play C.  I think Urschel has lost the battle for starting LG.  Jensen and Urschel will battle for the first backup in if Lewis or Zuttah go down.

I think Urschel is a better guard, and that Jensen is more natural at Center.

[bioLarzen]

Teddy Bridgewater is probably out for the season.

Josh Johnson has had a great camp and pre-season and he's quite similar to Bridgewater in style...

Edited August 30, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

5 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Butler is on 53 man roster for sure, especially with the injury to Dixon and Watson. The question comes between C. Moore and Campanaro. I think Campanao falls short because of the medical history.

To be honest, Butler is not only on my 53-man roster, he's ahead of Perriman on my depth chart. Perriman has tremendous talent and great potential upside - but the NFL is a "what have you done to me lately" league, isn't it? And Butler's already produced in the NFL whereas Perriman hasn't.

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

Webb is the best fair catch punt returner we have. 

True.

(But a fair catch is not really a "return", is it? ;D)

[bigcatfrank1]

Josh Johnson- to Dallas, we need another CB.

[bigcatfrank1]

Looking at the Roster today- all 1st and 2nd depth chart players make the team as shown :
Offense carries 26- 7 WR includes Moore, Butler and Camp as PR/KR
( Mathews to waivers-PS) 1 FB J, 3-RB Forsett, Allen, West , 3 TE- Pitta, Gilmore, Willaims.
Defense carries 24- Brooks moves into Elam's spot. 3rd team add Judon and Levine
1 P, 1 K, 1 LS.
Man 53 goes fast.....! Comments??
We still need to consider a Cornerback. look for one to be stashed on the PS.

[sizzlingdoom]

Josh Johnson- to Dallas, we need another CB.

More like Josh Johson to Minnesota. Dallas doesn't have a cb for us anyways. But Wright looks really bad so far to me. I kinda hope Davis takes his spot right away unless Wright shows up from the start.

[sizzlingdoom]

  12 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

  14 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Butler is on 53 man roster for sure, especially with the injury to Dixon and Watson. The question comes between C. Moore and Campanaro. I think Campanao falls short because of the medical history.

And we wouldn't have a single decent punt returner if he's cut. If they only keep 6 WRs, Camp will make it over Butler b/c of Camp's PR skills. 

I would love to see Butler or Aiken back there fielding punts. They obviously have the hand eye coordination and with 6 WR's the Ravens can afford to get more use from their WR core and still keep players fresh. Biggest skills necessary to do well as PR are good hands to cleanly catch the football and the ability to read blocks correctly. Speed and moves are helpful, but rarely translate to instant success. Most times you gotta follow your blocks through the first wave of defenders before making a guy miss can spring you for big returns. Heck if Perriman can remain healthy I'd even give him some reps to see what he can do. A PR specialist is no longer the strategy the Ravens are going for by the sounds of it. They are looking for someone that can handle PR in addition to their pther role(s).

what about Moore returning some punts?

[sizzlingdoom]

  14 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

Butler is on 53 man roster for sure, especially with the injury to Dixon and Watson. The question comes between C. Moore and Campanaro. I think Campanao falls short because of the medical history.

Chris Moore a question? And if camp falls short who's returning punts?

They are both locks bud.

I agree with you 100%. Moore was such a steal and he is on the team no matter what. I would also love to see him rerurn some punts. And if Camp is healthy which he seems to be, he is also on the team no matter what. I anticipate both of them being huge playmakers for the ravens this year with a ton of explosive plays as well as some huge chain moving grabs by Camp on third downs. This statement has nothing to do with Perriman's future. But I think Moore is going to turn into the type of player that we thought we were drafting in Perriman at pick #23? i believe. This 4th round looks so incredible to me right now.

[usmccharles]

I haven't had a chance to stay updated during the preseason,  but has Camp even played? How has he looked? 

Also,  am I the only one who is ready to cut bate with Lorenzo? I don't get holding on to players who can never stay healthy.  The best ability to is durability. 

Edited August 31, 2016 by usmccharles

[bioLarzen]

I haven't had a chance to stay updated during the preseason,  but has Camp even played? How has he looked? 

He didn't play much and didn't do anything really noticable. But that was not really a surprise IMHO, Harbaugh's eveidently trying to preserve him for the season. He may have gotten the most veteran off days during camp - something usually only the vested vets like Suggs, SSS or Yanda get, and he was really used sparingly through the first 3 games of the pre-season.

[bioLarzen]

2 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

11 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Josh Johnson- to Dallas, we need another CB.

More like Josh Johson to Minnesota.

Yeah, that was my secret wish, too - but apparently they are relying on Shaun Hill and brought back Brad Sorensen for clipboard duty - so they're not looking to get one . Logical.

Edited August 31, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I haven't had a chance to stay updated during the preseason,  but has Camp even played? How has he looked? 

Also,  am I the only one who is ready to cut bate with Lorenzo? I don't get holding on to players who can never stay healthy.  The best ability to is durability. 

Taliaferro goes on the PUP, so currently he won't take up a roster spot - and also, he's on his rookie deal, so he doesn't take up much cap space either. As for whether he's worth holding on to... The coaches have seen much, much, much more of him than we, fans have - and also, they are much more qualified in terms of talent evaluation and making decisions whether to keep a player or not - so I guess we should accept the decision, even if we don't see the reason.

Edited August 31, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

Man, it must be tough to decide which of the Campanaro - Butler - Moore trio should go to the IR... or how to somehow get all three on the final roster... But then you realize it's still a much, much sweeter problem than being desperately short on talent, isn't it?

[January J]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

He didn't play much and didn't do anything really noticable. But that was not really a surprise IMHO, Harbaugh's eveidently trying to preserve him for the season. He may have gotten the most veteran off days during camp - something usually only the vested vets like Suggs, SSS or Yanda get, and he was really used sparingly through the first 3 games of the pre-season.

 

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I haven't had a chance to stay updated during the preseason,  but has Camp even played? How has he looked? 

Also,  am I the only one who is ready to cut bate with Lorenzo? I don't get holding on to players who can never stay healthy.  The best ability to is durability. 

He's actually played quite well. Nothing spectacular but solid steady play- moved the chains a few times- had a nice run on a reverse, and has been consistent at making smart decisions feilding punts and looking comfortable doing so. He's locked in.

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Man, it must be tough to decide which of the Campanaro - Butler - Moore trio should go to the IR... or how to somehow get all three on the final roster... But then you realize it's still a much, much sweeter problem than being desperately short on talent, isn't it?

Not really. They will find a spot for all 3. Had Watson not gotten injured then the decision would have been a tough one with butler but now that's irrelevant anyway. All 3 will be on the roster. Who's active on game day is  the question.

[757RavensFan]

14 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Josh Johnson- to Dallas, we need another CB.

 

6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

More like Josh Johson to Minnesota. Dallas doesn't have a cb for us anyways. But Wright looks really bad so far to me. I kinda hope Davis takes his spot right away unless Wright shows up from the start.

JJ definitely played well enough during pre-season to earn a call from either Minnesota or Dallas.  

I feel bad for Bridgewater, seems like a good kid. 

[gooftroop]

Josh Johnson has been with what, five teams in seven years? He's played well this preseason but I don't see teams looking at him as a possible starter, and willing to offer commensurate value, in trade or draft picks.

[bioLarzen]

  15 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Josh Johnson- to Dallas, we need another CB.

 

  6 hours ago, sizzlingdoom said:

More like Josh Johson to Minnesota. Dallas doesn't have a cb for us anyways. But Wright looks really bad so far to me. I kinda hope Davis takes his spot right away unless Wright shows up from the start.

JJ definitely played well enough during pre-season to earn a call from either Minnesota or Dallas.  

I feel bad for Bridgewater, seems like a good kid. 

The Vikings have aslready filled up the void by promoting Shaun Hill and signing Brad Sorensen back for clipboard duty.

[bioLarzen]

Paul Kruger signs with the Saints - so at least the "let's give Kruger a try" slogan dies down.

[bioLarzen]

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

He didn't play much and didn't do anything really noticable. But that was not really a surprise IMHO, Harbaugh's eveidently trying to preserve him for the season. He may have gotten the most veteran off days during camp - something usually only the vested vets like Suggs, SSS or Yanda get, and he was really used sparingly through the first 3 games of the pre-season.

 

  6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

I haven't had a chance to stay updated during the preseason,  but has Camp even played? How has he looked? 

Also,  am I the only one who is ready to cut bate with Lorenzo? I don't get holding on to players who can never stay healthy.  The best ability to is durability. 

He's actually played quite well. Nothing spectacular but solid steady play- moved the chains a few times- had a nice run on a reverse, and has been consistent at making smart decisions feilding punts and looking comfortable doing so. He's locked in.

  4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Man, it must be tough to decide which of the Campanaro - Butler - Moore trio should go to the IR... or how to somehow get all three on the final roster... But then you realize it's still a much, much sweeter problem than being desperately short on talent, isn't it?

Not really. They will find a spot for all 3. Had Watson not gotten injured then the decision would have been a tough one with butler but now that's irrelevant anyway. All 3 will be on the roster. Who's active on game day is  the question.

Well, I don't see it this simple... but here's hoping you're right ,)

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, January J said:

 

He's actually played quite well. Nothing spectacular but solid steady play- moved the chains a few times- had a nice run on a reverse, and has been consistent at making smart decisions feilding punts and looking comfortable doing so. He's locked in.

Campanaro had 1 catch for 3 yards through the first 3 pre-season games.

He added 1 rush for a gain of 11 yards v. the Lions.

He had 2 punt returned for a combined gain of 36 yards. No place kick returns are on record.

 

Edited August 31, 2016 by bioLarzen

[January J]

2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Campanaro had 1 catch for 3 yards through the first 3 pre-season games.

He added 1 rush for a gain of 11 yards v. the Lions.

He had 2 punt returned for a combined gain of 36 yards. No place kick returns are on record.

 

Right but compare that to his competition. How many stats did Reynolds rack up? I would venture to say almost none. Its not always about the stats..esp with the PR position. More importantly he didnt make any mistakes and looked very  fluid out there. Passed the eye test. And most importantly he's healthy at the right time. He's already proved himself in camp. The only question was durability. He took some hits and showed that he's good to go.

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, January J said:

Right but compare that to his competition. How many stats did Reynolds rack up? I would venture to say almost none. Its not always about the stats..esp with the PR position. More importantly he didnt make any mistakes and looked very  fluid out there. Passed the eye test. And most importantly he's healthy at the right time. He's already proved himself in camp. The only question was durability. He took some hits and showed that he's good to go.

Is Moore not getting a shot at KRs? I mean, i have always wanted to see more from Camp, but if he is healthy and he isnt putting up any numbers of relevance, IE the numbers posted above are not anything to even glance at.  Who is the main competition for Camp, Butler? Moore, Aiken, BP, SSr, Wallace...?

[January J]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Is Moore not getting a shot at KRs? I mean, i have always wanted to see more from Camp, but if he is healthy and he isnt putting up any numbers of relevance, IE the numbers posted above are not anything to even glance at.  Who is the main competition for Camp, Butler? Moore, Aiken, BP, SSr, Wallace...?

He has no competition at the PR position. That's the way I see it anyway. Those numbers are in very limited attempts and his yards per run back average was pretty high. He might not get many targets in the receiving game but he has some plays specifically designed for him as we saw on that reverse. It would be interesting to see Moore return some punts but I haven't heard about him doing it in camp and I imagine if he could they would have had him out there atleast giving it a shot. Was also interesting seeing Wallace back there to return that kickoff even though he didn't get a chance to run it back. He might be that ace in the hole that gives us a little spark here and there.

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, January J said:

He has no competition at the PR position. That's the way I see it anyway. Those numbers are in very limited attempts and his yards per run back average was pretty high. He might not get many targets in the receiving game but he has some plays specifically designed for him as we saw on that reverse. It would be interesting to see Moore return some punts but I haven't heard about him doing it in camp and I imagine if he could they would have had him out there atleast giving it a shot. Was also interesting seeing Wallace back there to return that kickoff even though he didn't get a chance to run it back. He might be that ace in the hole that gives us a little spark here and there.

Like I said,  I want it to be camp and him to do things for us... But I think odds are he ends up on ir ans we are stuck not knowing who are kr because we gave no one else a chance.