Cuts from Other Teams We Might Consider

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Bummer. Wonder what this means for Cody Whitehair

[Sami84]

Oh well..i guess they didnt even let him leave the building.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

For those hoping, Sitton isn't happening.

 

Sigh...

So Sitton and Long are now Chicago guards. Not bad.

[Sami84]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Bummer. Wonder what this means for Cody Whitehair

might play tackle. Their O line is now awesome..

[Sami84]

I'd like to see alex lewis been thrown into the deep end. Urschel just doesnt have that extra gear. He's an average starting linesman and an excellent backup.

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

I'd like to see alex lewis been thrown into the deep end. Urschel just doesnt have that extra gear. He's an average starting linesman and an excellent backup.

Even if Urschel is our starter to begin with, I don't think it'll take long for that change to happen.

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, Sami84 said:

I'd like to see alex lewis been thrown into the deep end. Urschel just doesnt have that extra gear. He's an average starting linesman and an excellent backup.

I'm actually all about this.  I wouldn't mind Urschel at C, but I'm not sold on him at G.  Lewis has some pass protection concerns but has some true nastiness to him.

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Bummer. Wonder what this means for Cody Whitehair

He'll go to C. Hronnis Grasu went down for the year and I highly doubt the Bears want Ted Larsen starting.

[cobrajet]

On 9/3/2016 at 8:58 PM, ellicottraven said:

Sitton would be a great addition on the left side but what is the main reason he was released now? Was it just the cap savings or something more? Had he regressed this Traning Camp and preseason? Would love to know...

I was on an article talking about the Giants having interest in Sitton, and those New York fans did not want him saying that he is developing serious back issues and that is why the Packers cut him. I am not sure about that because he was able to play through things last season at a pretty high level, but they talked about his back issues getting pretty bad and that he was too much of an injury risk. I was surprised to read that considering how much interest our fans had in signing him.

[Sami84]

1 hour ago, cobrajet said:

I was on an article talking about the Giants having interest in Sitton, and those New York fans did not want him saying that he is developing serious back issues and that is why the Packers cut him. I am not sure about that because he was able to play through things last season at a pretty high level, but they talked about his back issues getting pretty bad and that he was too much of an injury risk. I was surprised to read that considering how much interest our fans had in signing him.

 

I find that odd..he was awesome last year. He's a bit like Yanda..he grinded his way to being elite.

[Deflated Football]

So we're going with two rookies on the blind side since we missed out on Sitton? I'm really excited to see what they can do.

[rmcjacket23]

On 9/5/2016 at 9:41 AM, cobrajet said:

I was on an article talking about the Giants having interest in Sitton, and those New York fans did not want him saying that he is developing serious back issues and that is why the Packers cut him. I am not sure about that because he was able to play through things last season at a pretty high level, but they talked about his back issues getting pretty bad and that he was too much of an injury risk. I was surprised to read that considering how much interest our fans had in signing him.

Injuries might be a factor, but I don't think that was the major driver.

Packers have I think like 3-4 starters on their Oline with expiring contracts this year I believe, and I think they want to find out now what they have in certain spots so they know which direction to go there. 

He was a high priced player who they probably felt was expendable, and it was clearly highly unlikely that they would have extended him after 2016.

I'd equate it similar to Haloti Ngata. Still a quality player, would still start for that team, but team wanted to see how the younger guys would do since they knew they weren't going to retain him in the future.

Its a gamble for sure, given that teams struggles on the Oline. 

Edited September 6, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[cobrajet]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Injuries might be a factor, but I don't think that was the major driver.

Packers have I think like 3-4 starters on their Oline with expiring contracts this year I believe, and I think they want to find out now what they have in certain spots so they know which direction to go there. 

He was a high priced player who they probably felt was expendable, and it was clearly highly unlikely that they would have extended him after 2016.

I'd equate it similar to Haloti Ngata. Still a quality player, would still start for that team, but team wanted to see how the younger guys would do since they knew they weren't going to retain him in the future.

Its a gamble for sure, given that teams struggles on the Oline. 

He got over 21 million for three years (10 mil guaranteed) from the Bears. That would be a pretty high price tag considering what we have wrapped up in Yanda, just in the guard position.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, cobrajet said:

He got over 21 million for three years (10 mil guaranteed) from the Bears. That would be a pretty high price tag considering what we have wrapped up in Yanda, just in the guard position.

Correct, which is why I never thought it was realistic to think we were going to be players for him anyway.

Felt like we made it perfectly clear in the last 5-10 years that we aren't going to pay top dollar for two Guards at once. We let Grubbs walk, and we let KO walk. 

Also ignores the fact that we clearly like guys like Lewis and Urschel, so really no reason to upgrade those spots while paying significantly more money. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Its a gamble for sure, given that teams struggles on the Oline. 

Green Bay certainly isn't one that often struggles. Ted Thompson also knows when to let a veteran walk, more often than not.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

Green Bay certainly isn't one that often struggles. Ted Thompson also knows when to let a veteran walk, more often than not.

I meant that team in particular has offensive line struggles. Frankly, its been one of the main things that has kept them out of the SB for several seasons.

In theory, its kind of odd that we are so appalled when a team with clear offensive line issues lets offensive lineman go. I mean I agree that Sitton has been a very good player, but that unit hasn't been, and it doesn't make sense to keep retaining players on a unit that isn't performing well.

 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

I meant that team in particular has offensive line struggles. Frankly, its been one of the main things that has kept them out of the SB for several seasons.

In theory, its kind of odd that we are so appalled when a team with clear offensive line issues lets offensive lineman go. I mean I agree that Sitton has been a very good player, but that unit hasn't been, and it doesn't make sense to keep retaining players on a unit that isn't performing well.

They do not have offensive line issues. They routinely fielded the best guard tandem in the league up there with Baltimore, had one of the elite right tackles, and got surprisingly good play from their LT and C. A lot better than expected, at least.

I don't know why you'd think they don't do well with their offensive line since they routinely grade out as one of the best...

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

They do not have offensive line issues. They routinely fielded the best guard tandem in the league up there with Baltimore, had one of the elite right tackles, and got surprisingly good play from their LT and C. A lot better than expected, at least.

I don't know why you'd think they don't do well with their offensive line since they routinely grade out as one of the best...

1. Last season, they ranked 17th in run blocking. Its a good pass blocking unit, but not a good run blocking unit, and it showed. They also ranked 24th in offensive line penalties.

2. Injuries.

Bakhtiari missed two games last season, Bulaga missed four games last season and averages four missed games per season the last four years, and Linsley missed three games last season and probably will miss the entire season.

Inconsistency from their tackles, injury concerns, and not overly good run blockers. Not a good recipe for a solid offensive line. 

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. Last season, they ranked 17th in run blocking. Its a good pass blocking unit, but not a good run blocking unit, and it showed. They also ranked 24th in offensive line penalties.

2. Injuries.

Bakhtiari missed two games last season, Bulaga missed four games last season and averages four missed games per season the last four years, and Linsley missed three games last season and probably will miss the entire season.

Inconsistency from their tackles, injury concerns, and not overly good run blockers. Not a good recipe for a solid offensive line. 

Backhtiari is considered one of the better pass blocking LT's in the league (third best pass blocking efficiency from week 8 on) and while his run blocking isn't something amazing, it's certainly not horrible. He missed two games last year with some torn ligaments in his ankle, yet returned in the playoffs on that same ankle, so he's got the toughness you want to see in an offensive lineman. Hardly would call that an injury concern considering he's missed a whole two games in three years.

Bulaga actually misses three per year on average and two of those injuries caused him to miss 11 of his 16 games missed over the course of five years, meaning there's not a huge injury concern, really. One was a broken hip and one was a torn ACL. Those are hardly preventable injuries, so we can't really say there's huge injury concerns because those are freak injuries. Maybe you could call his sprained ankle a preventable injury with better conditioning, but if that's his only preventable injury in five years, that's not an injury concern. 

JC Tretter actually showed extremely well in the preseason and last year when given the chance to start. He was beaten out by a more experienced center, but I'm not sure the Packers are sweating Linsley being out, honestly, because Tretter has shown that he's capable of starting.

They may actually have a new face at tackle with Jason Spriggs in there at RT and Bulaga in at LG to help ease the concerns of losing Sitton. Bulaga, who is one of the best RT's in the game, actually projects better inside, so it won't be a huge drop off there. 

So, we have a couple freak injuries here and there to Bulaga and then the injury concerns end (unless we're gonna hold a blow to the head to Spriggs in 2014 as injury concerns), extremely high level interior play, and one of the better pass blocking LT's in the league. Really fail to see why the Packers would be sweating it. 

I think the notion that the Packers have some of the worst offensive line play in the NFL is due to injuries forcing someone like Don Barclay plays, but that's not something that seems likely to happen.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Backhtiari is considered one of the better pass blocking LT's in the league (third best pass blocking efficiency from week 8 on) and while his run blocking isn't something amazing, it's certainly not horrible. He missed two games last year with some torn ligaments in his ankle, yet returned in the playoffs on that same ankle, so he's got the toughness you want to see in an offensive lineman. Hardly would call that an injury concern considering he's missed a whole two games in three years.

Bulaga actually misses three per year on average and two of those injuries caused him to miss 11 of his 16 games missed over the course of five years, meaning there's not a huge injury concern, really. One was a broken hip and one was a torn ACL. Those are hardly preventable injuries, so we can't really say there's huge injury concerns because those are freak injuries. Maybe you could call his sprained ankle a preventable injury with better conditioning, but if that's his only preventable injury in five years, that's not an injury concern. 

JC Tretter actually showed extremely well in the preseason and last year when given the chance to start. He was beaten out by a more experienced center, but I'm not sure the Packers are sweating Linsley being out, honestly, because Tretter has shown that he's capable of starting.

They may actually have a new face at tackle with Jason Spriggs in there at RT and Bulaga in at LG to help ease the concerns of losing Sitton. Bulaga, who is one of the best RT's in the game, actually projects better inside, so it won't be a huge drop off there. 

So, we have a couple freak injuries here and there to Bulaga and then the injury concerns end (unless we're gonna hold a blow to the head to Spriggs in 2014 as injury concerns), extremely high level interior play, and one of the better pass blocking LT's in the league. Really fail to see why the Packers would be sweating it. 

I think the notion that the Packers have some of the worst offensive line play in the NFL is due to injuries forcing someone like Don Barclay plays, but that's not something that seems likely to happen.

Most of this I agree with. I will say that Bulaga was supposed to be the franchise LT. He was a first round pick in 2010 and didn't pan out on the left side. He basically took the Michael Oher route. So I'm sure its at least a bit disappointing that he didn't pan out there.

 

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Most of this I agree with. I will say that Bulaga was supposed to be the franchise LT. He was a first round pick in 2010 and didn't pan out on the left side. He basically took the Michael Oher route. So I'm sure its at least a bit disappointing that he didn't pan out there.

Probably, especially since they spent a first round pick on Derrick Sherod, who absolutely should not play, and had to suffer through a Marshall Newhouse experiment. 

However, picking at 23 and getting a quality OL anywhere on the line probablu isn't the end of the world for them now that they at least have a capable starter in Bakhtiari and a possible replacement in Spriggs

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Keivarie Russell waived. 

Kid always had potential and was picked in the 3rd. Is there a story behind his cutting? Because that doesn't sound like a typical move the chiefs FO would make.