Cuts from Other Teams We Might Consider

[Purple Punishment]

10 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Browner is garbage now.  He's been terrible ever since leaving Seattle.  I have 0 interest in him and I suspect his career might actually be over.  He's the exact opposite of the type of guy Harbaugh would want here with his 4859 penalties per game.

 

Hes like a bigger stronger Frank Walker

[CalvinSmoke]

Kwaun Williams is interesting. Paul Kruger if the price is right. Heck no on Browner. Anyone else? 

[allblackraven]

19 minutes ago, CalvinSmoke said:

Kwaun Williams is interesting. Paul Kruger if the price is right. Heck no on Browner. Anyone else? 

Williams claimed by Chicago

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Honestly, I just finished checking out the list and I didn't see anything promising. We really need to wait.

[MTRavensFan]

NFLN reporting Kruger heading to New Orleans tomorrow for a visit. could be a really good fit for him.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, sibelius said:

He's probably right but there is no such thing as as being "misused" when you're making 40 mil. If he thought the Browns were paying 40 mil for him to play on third down he was a fool. 

 

 

 

Doesn't matter what he thinks lol, the TEAM paid him that, was he supposed to turn it down and say "offer me less because I'm not a good run defender"? That's on Cleveland for overpaying a known commodity for something he doesn't do very well.

[sibelius]

7 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Doesn't matter what he thinks lol, the TEAM paid him that, was he supposed to turn it down and say "offer me less because I'm not a good run defender"? That's on Cleveland for overpaying a known commodity for something he doesn't do very well.

Right but as with any player there's a level of realism that needs to come into play here. They both overpaid him and "misused" him, but I would argue they had to use him as a 3-down player—which he is not capable of and at no point in his stint here did he show the contrary—because the economics of any team can't justify paying a guy that much just to rush the passer.

Same thing happened to Doom. This situation was inevitable, he had to know that and the comment just feels like whining. 

Edited August 31, 2016 by sibelius

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Williams claimed by Chicago

Which means the Ravens didn't even put in a claim. Very interesting.

[JoeyFlex5]

44 minutes ago, sibelius said:

Right but as with any player there's a level of realism that needs to come into play here. They both overpaid him and "misused" him, but I would argue they had to use him as a 3-down player—which he is not capable of and at no point in his stint here did he show the contrary—because the economics of any team can't justify paying a guy that much just to rush the passer.

Same thing happened to Doom. This situation was inevitable, he had to know that and the comment just feels like whining. 

Whining? Sounds like a player wants to produce and is frustrated his dumpster fire team isn't putting him in the best position to do so. 

It's like Mike Wallace being possibly the best deep threat in the league playing with 2 noodle armed qbs, 9/10 ravens fans knew this and said hell yeah come on board and resurrect your career here, but for some reason when Paul Kruger is being asked to drop in coverage and stop the run we can't seem to take notice that he IS being misused? We blame him for being overpaid when the team overpaid a 1 dimensional player to be more than he really is? Makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost like some ravens fans are bitter that he left us and they WANT him to regress. Paul Kruger has shown no real evidence of not being a viable pass rusher, regardless of what he does As a full time OLB.

[ellicottraven]

Brandon Tate was released early by the Bungles. He is a return specialist with a good knowledge of the Bengals playbook. Would he be an interesting pick up if Campanaro can't stay healthy? Or should we wait for the final cuts and see who else comes available? Personally as much as I like Camps, I just can't see him healthy for a full season and as for Keenan, we need to figure out a way to hide him till next year because he's shown he is not yet ready for the NFL as a receiver/returner.

[K-Dog]

4 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Brandon Tate was released early by the Bungles. He is a return specialist with a good knowledge of the Bengals playbook. Would he be an interesting pick up if Campanaro can't stay healthy? Or should we wait for the final cuts and see who else comes available? Personally as much as I like Camps, I just can't see him healthy for a full season and as for Keenan, we need to figure out a way to hide him till next year because he's shown he is not yet ready for the NFL as a receiver/returner.

This intriguies me.

I remember the guy, but I can't honestly recall his past two seasons. 

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Whining? Sounds like a player wants to produce and is frustrated his dumpster fire team isn't putting him in the best position to do so. 

It's like Mike Wallace being possibly the best deep threat in the league playing with 2 noodle armed qbs, 9/10 ravens fans knew this and said hell yeah come on board and resurrect your career here, but for some reason when Paul Kruger is being asked to drop in coverage and stop the run we can't seem to take notice that he IS being misused? We blame him for being overpaid when the team overpaid a 1 dimensional player to be more than he really is? Makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost like some ravens fans are bitter that he left us and they WANT him to regress. Paul Kruger has shown no real evidence of not being a viable pass rusher, regardless of what he does As a full time OLB.

But here's the thing-

When he sat down to sign his contract with the Browns, I'm sure they told him their plans to use him in a three down role. I'm sure they made it clear that he would have to rush the passer and stop the run. He probably even wanted that because it'd mean he saw the field more instead of being on the field for maybe 30% of the plays. I'm sure he wanted a chance to be a 70% snap player. Doesn't every football player?

We can say that they misused him and that it's their fault, but Kruger almost assuredly knew what he was in for and failed to live up to the expectations set forth for him. I'm almost willing to bet $1M that he didn't go, "Oh, you know I can only rush the passer, so only play me on third down." I can guarantee he was confident in his skill set and wanted a three down role.

Getting cut for being a bad run defender and not being able to play all three downs at that contract isn't the Browns fault. That's Kruger just not living up to expectations.

Also, the Mike Wallace comparison is apples to oranges. He didn't get to sit down and sign the contract with the Vikings and have his role defined and expectations laid out. He was traded there and they basically said make it work. I'm sure, though, that the Vikings did envision a deep threat role for him given they have Norv Turner, but Teddy threw the fewest passes over 25 yards in the league. But again, he didn't chose the Vikings; they chose him.

Edited August 31, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[ellicottraven]

14 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Williams claimed by Chicago

Kruger goes to the Saints/

[sibelius]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Whining? Sounds like a player wants to produce and is frustrated his dumpster fire team isn't putting him in the best position to do so. 

It's like Mike Wallace being possibly the best deep threat in the league playing with 2 noodle armed qbs, 9/10 ravens fans knew this and said hell yeah come on board and resurrect your career here, but for some reason when Paul Kruger is being asked to drop in coverage and stop the run we can't seem to take notice that he IS being misused? We blame him for being overpaid when the team overpaid a 1 dimensional player to be more than he really is? Makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost like some ravens fans are bitter that he left us and they WANT him to regress. Paul Kruger has shown no real evidence of not being a viable pass rusher, regardless of what he does As a full time OLB.

 

Mike Wallace is a prime example...he wanted more than he was worth, leveraged incompetent teams/FOs for it, washed out of both and is now in a good situation based on his actual market value. Yet he had nothing but good things to say in public about those orgs because grown ups understand they have nothing to gain by publically throwing others under the bus. 

The Browns were a mess before him and will be long after. He wanted to get paid and went to a garbage team to do it. The rest was inevitable. The top guys in this league adapt to their system and take ownership of their play. 

On bitterness...not really sure what you're driving at? I've never been clear on what people around here mean when they refer to this nebulous group of "fans." Are you referring to me? Who are these fans? Aren't we all fans? It's a mystery...or a straw man...who knows?

[Deflated Football]

Browner has been dreadful the last few years but isn't he a good tackler? Wouldn't mind him as an in-the-box safety. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Browner has been dreadful the last few years but isn't he a good tackler? Wouldn't mind him as an in-the-box safety. 

Harbaugh won't look at him with his penalty history. Which I don't blame him for. It's the smart thing to do to ignore him. 

[berad]

Browner also claimed that he would "put his hands around [Jim Harbaugh's] neck" when a reporter relayed a Harbaugh quote about the importance of staying within the rules of the NFL in terms of PEDs - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212441/article/brandon-browner-threatens-49ers-coach-jim-harbaugh

Yeah, Browner sucks.

[JoeyFlex5]

57 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

But here's the thing-

When he sat down to sign his contract with the Browns, I'm sure they told him their plans to use him in a three down role. I'm sure they made it clear that he would have to rush the passer and stop the run. He probably even wanted that because it'd mean he saw the field more instead of being on the field for maybe 30% of the plays. I'm sure he wanted a chance to be a 70% snap player. Doesn't every football player?

We can say that they misused him and that it's their fault, but Kruger almost assuredly knew what he was in for and failed to live up to the expectations set forth for him. I'm almost willing to bet $1M that he didn't go, "Oh, you know I can only rush the passer, so only play me on third down." I can guarantee he was confident in his skill set and wanted a three down role.

Getting cut for being a bad run defender and not being able to play all three downs at that contract isn't the Browns fault. That's Kruger just not living up to expectations.

Also, the Mike Wallace comparison is apples to oranges. He didn't get to sit down and sign the contract with the Vikings and have his role defined and expectations laid out. He was traded there and they basically said make it work. I'm sure, though, that the Vikings did envision a deep threat role for him given they have Norv Turner, but Teddy threw the fewest passes over 25 yards in the league. But again, he didn't chose the Vikings; they chose him.

He did choose Miami though, which had the same issues, and they offered the most money. But as far as Kruger goes, he just isn't gonna turn down that money. Yeah Kruger failed to become a 3 down defender, but It's up to the browns to make the evaluation and decide if he can make that leap, they overestimated and then overpaid, he tried, it didn't work, and he wasn't as effective as he once was because they're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. 

I understand both sides of the argument, but I'm not gonna hold it against Kruger as a pass rusher because a team overpaid him.

[Deflated Football]

16 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Harbaugh won't look at him with his penalty history. Which I don't blame him for. It's the smart thing to do to ignore him. 

True, but I'd take all the DB's we can get after last seasons secondary debacle

5 minutes ago, berad said:

Browner also claimed that he would "put his hands around [Jim Harbaugh's] neck" when a reporter relayed a Harbaugh quote about the importance of staying within the rules of the NFL in terms of PEDs - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000212441/article/brandon-browner-threatens-49ers-coach-jim-harbaugh

Yeah, Browner sucks.

Yikes. Didn't know this lol 

[ravensdan]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He did choose Miami though, which had the same issues, and they offered the most money. But as far as Kruger goes, he just isn't gonna turn down that money. Yeah Kruger failed to become a 3 down defender, but It's up to the browns to make the evaluation and decide if he can make that leap, they overestimated and then overpaid, he tried, it didn't work, and he wasn't as effective as he once was because they're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. 

I understand both sides of the argument, but I'm not gonna hold it against Kruger as a pass rusher because a team overpaid him.

I always kind of laugh when certain fans get on a player for accepting life changing money they have worked their a off for their whole life. You take it and don't look back. Players are very unlikely to get a second shot at that kind of money. 

[sibelius]

31 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I always kind of laugh when certain fans get on a player for accepting life changing money they have worked their a off for their whole life. You take it and don't look back. Players are very unlikely to get a second shot at that kind of money. 

 

there goes that "fans" language again, whatever that means.

speaking for myself and myself only, my issue is not that Kruger took the money, it's the comment about being "misused." That's like saying if I can convince a company to make me their CEO and pay me the market rate for the position, it's their fault that I wasn't qualified and they should've given me mid-level management duties because obviously that's where I'm most effective...while continuing to pay me CEO money.

The company paid me for my potential, I didn't live up to it, so they fired me. I got my bonus check, they cut their losses. Nobody was "misused." 

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

I always kind of laugh when certain fans get on a player for accepting life changing money they have worked their a off for their whole life. You take it and don't look back. Players are very unlikely to get a second shot at that kind of money. 

I remember when we played the Colts in the playoffs and Stover was the kicker.

Someone here actually got mad at Stover for kicking a game winning field goal.  "He should have been loyal to us. "

 

Really.

[ravensdan]

7 hours ago, sibelius said:

 

there goes that "fans" language again, whatever that means.

speaking for myself and myself only, my issue is not that Kruger took the money, it's the comment about being "misused." That's like saying if I can convince a company to make me their CEO and pay me the market rate for the position, it's their fault that I wasn't qualified and they should've given me mid-level management duties because obviously that's where I'm most effective...while continuing to pay me CEO money.

The company paid me for my potential, I didn't live up to it, so they fired me. I got my bonus check, they cut their losses. Nobody was "misused." 

 

I don't know what's unclear about my use of fans. People who are watching the games. And in this case certain fans are those who make a comment dogging a player for taking life changing money. 

 

The missused comment from Kruger just seems like sour grapes to me and serves no purpose. 

[January J]

In a hypothetical scenario say a team like the vikings or Dallas places a call to Ozzie and offers  something up for Mallet. What is the least you would take for him or would you even entertain the idea?  Obviously we have another viable backup in josh johnson so its not COMPLETELY out of the question. On ESPN they are talking about Minnesota offering up a third or even a second round draft pick for a scrub like case keenum or kaepernick. Now they could wait until cuts are made and see if a guy like kap gets cut anyway- which is probably what they would do. But if they really wanted mallet they would have to do it before the final cuts BC then we would lose ahold of Johnson and be forced to hold onto mallet. Im thinking we keep mallet- but many are pretty high on Johnson and if we can get a third round pick who somebody who may not even see one snap this year that sounds pretty intriguing. Desperate teams do desperate things- esp a team like the Vikings who have potential playoff contention and just need a veteran qb who can sling the rock. If mallet puts out some more tape of him tonight succusfully carrying the offense as he has done so far in the first 3 games- its quite possible a team puts in a call. Too risky?  Thoughts? 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, January J said:

In a hypothetical scenario say a team like the vikings or Dallas places a call to Ozzie and offers  something up for Mallet. What is the least you would take for him or would you even entertain the idea?  Obviously we have another viable backup in josh johnson so its not COMPLETELY out of the question. On ESPN they are talking about Minnesota offering up a third or even a second round draft pick for a scrub like case keenum or kaepernick. Now they could wait until cuts are made and see if a guy like kap gets cut anyway- which is probably what they would do. But if they really wanted mallet they would have to do it before the final cuts BC then we would lose ahold of Johnson and be forced to hold onto mallet. Im thinking we keep mallet- but many are pretty high on Johnson and if we can get a third round pick who somebody who may not even see one snap this year that sounds pretty intriguing. Desperate teams do desperate things- esp a team like the Vikings who have potential playoff contention and just need a veteran qb who can sling the rock. If mallet puts out some more tape of him tonight succusfully carrying the offense as he has done so far in the first 3 games- its quite possible a team puts in a call. Too risky?  Thoughts? 

Teams do crazy things, but not trading a high-mid round pick for a QB that isn't going to put them over the edge.  They're nothing but talking heads on ESPN.  Case Keenum and Ryan Mallett were traded for 7th and 6th round picks, respectively.  No matter the injury situation, no team is going to give up that much for a decent at best QB.  They can probably pull a slightly worse guy off the streets without having to give up anything.

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, January J said:

In a hypothetical scenario say a team like the vikings or Dallas places a call to Ozzie and offers  something up for Mallet. What is the least you would take for him or would you even entertain the idea?  Obviously we have another viable backup in josh johnson so its not COMPLETELY out of the question. On ESPN they are talking about Minnesota offering up a third or even a second round draft pick for a scrub like case keenum or kaepernick. Now they could wait until cuts are made and see if a guy like kap gets cut anyway- which is probably what they would do. But if they really wanted mallet they would have to do it before the final cuts BC then we would lose ahold of Johnson and be forced to hold onto mallet. Im thinking we keep mallet- but many are pretty high on Johnson and if we can get a third round pick who somebody who may not even see one snap this year that sounds pretty intriguing. Desperate teams do desperate things- esp a team like the Vikings who have potential playoff contention and just need a veteran qb who can sling the rock. If mallet puts out some more tape of him tonight succusfully carrying the offense as he has done so far in the first 3 games- its quite possible a team puts in a call. Too risky?  Thoughts? 

If we were offered a fifth round pick for Mallett, I guarantee we would take it. 

I think a sixth rounder would be the cutoff point where we would consider saying no.

Me personally, I think any trade pick offered to us for Mallett would result in using say yes at this point.

As for the Vikings, if I were them, I'd be looking for somebody better than just a veteran. Frankly, Shaun Hill is as capable as Mallett based on I've seen so far.

The Vikings have a serious problem I think. For starters, I think too many people are assuming that Bridgewater will even be ready for 2017. I can see scenarios where he never plays again, and I can definitely see realistic scenarios where he misses at least half of NEXT season.

The more serious problem is financial. 2017 would be year 4 for Bridgewater. During next offseason, the Vikings would have to decide whether to pick up his 5th year option, which I believe would slot him at around $17.5M for the 2018 season.

With the possibility that Bridgewater is still recovering from injury at that time, would be a huge gamble to pick up that option, particularly given that he's not an overly impressive QB to begin with.

That said, Vikings run the serious risk of having him hit the FA market after the 2017 season, which means they could lose him all together.

From what I've heard on other networks, the types of QBs they COULD or SHOULD be targeting with 2nd or 3rd round picks are guys like Mike Glennon and AJ McCarron, Younger QBs who have at least some production in the NFL, but are stuck in situations where they're unlikely to hold more than backup value. 

IF they legitimately are trying to "win now", those are guys I'd be targeting.

Edited September 1, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[January J]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Teams do crazy things, but not trading a high-mid round pick for a QB that isn't going to put them over the edge.  They're nothing but talking heads on ESPN.  Case Keenum and Ryan Mallett were traded for 7th and 6th round picks, respectively.  No matter the injury situation, no team is going to give up that much for a decent at best QB.  They can probably pull a slightly worse guy off the streets without having to give up anything.

Yeah I knew a third sounded pretty ridiculous but that it was Adam schefter said was a possibility. And when he was discussing it he was throwing out names that were in play that were a lot less intriguing than Mallet. 

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we were offered a fifth round pick for Mallett, I guarantee we would take it. 

I think a sixth rounder would be the cutoff point where we would consider saying no.

Me personally, I think any trade pick offered to us for Mallett would result in using say yes at this point.

I agree. He's likely gone next year anyway for a starting job elsewhere so might as well milk it and get what we can now. Joe is coming off the injury so im sure many will be reluctant to take it.. but as durable as Joe is that doesn't really concern me anyway- and johnsons solid play just makes it even more plausible. If a fifth was offered I would snatch it up without a lick of hesitation.

[January J]

41 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

If we were offered a fifth round pick for Mallett, I guarantee we would take it. 

I think a sixth rounder would be the cutoff point where we would consider saying no.

Me personally, I think any trade pick offered to us for Mallett would result in using say yes at this point.

As for the Vikings, if I were them, I'd be looking for somebody better than just a veteran. Frankly, Shaun Hill is as capable as Mallett based on I've seen so far.

The Vikings have a serious problem I think. For starters, I think too many people are assuming that Bridgewater will even be ready for 2017. I can see scenarios where he never plays again, and I can definitely see realistic scenarios where he misses at least half of NEXT season.

The more serious problem is financial. 2017 would be year 4 for Bridgewater. During next offseason, the Vikings would have to decide whether to pick up his 5th year option, which I believe would slot him at around $17.5M for the 2018 season.

With the possibility that Bridgewater is still recovering from injury at that time, would be a huge gamble to pick up that option, particularly given that he's not an overly impressive QB to begin with.

That said, Vikings run the serious risk of having him hit the FA market after the 2017 season, which means they could lose him all together.

From what I've heard on other networks, the types of QBs they COULD or SHOULD be targeting with 2nd or 3rd round picks are guys like Mike Glennon and AJ McCarron, Younger QBs who have at least some production in the NFL, but are stuck in situations where they're unlikely to hold more than backup value. 

IF they legitimately are trying to "win now", those are guys I'd be targeting.

See I know plenty of people will disagree but I don't see that much difference between a guy like Glennon and mallet. Even mccarron. Sure they might have more invested in them but in terms of talent I don't see that much drop off if any at all. Mallet has a cannon.. Has learned behind Brady and has veteran experience as a starter. More than mccarron I believe. Yeah he ended up in an unfortunate situation in Houston where the coach kept playing merry go round musical chairs with the qbs and that pissed him off. I think with the right franchise surrounded by some weapons ( which the vikings surely have... A.P...Diggs, Treadwell etc.) he could really flourish. He's a good game manager IMO and with that running game I see mallet as a perfect fit.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, January J said:

See I know plenty of people will disagree but I don't see that much difference between a guy like Glennon and mallet. Even mccarron. Sure they might have more invested in them but in terms of talent I don't see that much drop off if any at all. Mallet has a cannon.. Has learned behind Brady and has veteran experience as a starter. More than mccarron I believe. Yeah he ended up in an unfortunate situation in Houston where the coach kept playing merry go round musical chairs with the qbs and that pissed him off. I think with the right franchise surrounded by some weapons ( which the vikings surely have... A.P...Diggs, Treadwell etc.) he could really flourish. He's a good game manager IMO and with that running game I see mallet as a perfect fit.

Two different "theories" here:

1. If you're Minnesota, and you want to try to do the whole Broncos 2015 thing, where you run the ball all the time and play great defense, than Mallett is horrible. The only thing you care about is that your QB doesn't turn the ball over. Its what got Brock Osweiler a huge contract. You don't have to be great, you just have to be young with perceived room to grow and generally careful with the football. Biggest knock on Mallett is the "gun slinger" mentality. He's fearless when it comes to throws, but like somebody like Favre, that can lead to a lot of turnovers in short periods of time.

Its why Mark Sanchez is likely getting booted from Denver. Nobody really thinks Trevor Semien is really any better than Sanchez in terms of skill sets, but Sanchez turns the ball over way too much. 

2. If you're Minnesota, and you're more interested in finding competition for the starting job in the near future, due to the injury risk/unknown with Bridgewater, then guys like Glennon, McCarron and possibly even Mallett make sense. McCarron in particular is attractive, because like I mentioned above, he protects the football pretty well. 

Edited September 1, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[RaineV1]

6 minutes ago, January J said:

See I know plenty of people will disagree but I don't see that much difference between a guy like Glennon and mallet. Even mccarron. Sure they might have more invested in them but in terms of talent I don't see that much drop off if any at all. Mallet has a cannon.. Has learned behind Brady and has veteran experience as a starter. More than mccarron I believe. Yeah he ended up in an unfortunate situation in Houston where the coach kept playing merry go round musical chairs with the qbs and that pissed him off. I think with the right franchise surrounded by some weapons ( which the vikings surely have... A.P...Diggs, Treadwell etc.) he could really flourish. He's a good game manager IMO and with that running game I see mallet as a perfect fit.

I don't think Mallet would necessarily flourish, but I could see him getting them to the playoffs. He's pretty decent at getting balls into tight windows in intermediate routes due to this arm strength. I think he'd work well throwing to a receiver like Treadwell, and have enough of an arm to take advantage of Diggs' speed.