Cuts from Other Teams We Might Consider

[Ravensfanspls]

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/browns-terminate-contract-linebacker-paul-kruger/story?id=41716316

I think he can still be a productive player. Should we sign him? What are everyone's thoughts?

[Moderator 3]

Since this "we should sign" happens every year during cuts and we are not going to have a thread for each one, this is now the thread for discussing other team's rejects we might want.

[RAYvenFan20]

I really don't see an open roster spot for Kruger. Who do you bench or cut for him?

[rmw10]

 

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, RAYvenFan20 said:

I really don't see an open roster spot for Kruger. Who do you bench or cut for him?

Agreed. One of the purposes of this season is to see what you have in guys like ZaDarius and Judon, in addition to Suggs and Dumervil.

Kruger would fit more in the mold of signing with a contender who needs veteran help at that position. Ravens don't fit the mold there.

[-Truth-]

I hope we give K'Waun Williams a look once he's back on his feet. He was reportedly waived because he didn't adhere to the Browns wishes to have surgery and then went under the knife after a second opinion to have bone chips removed from his ankle, which will likely take a few weeks to recover from. He does have a history of concussions, but I doubt the price tag would be expensive and he's been a solid slot CB when healthy. At least worth poking around in my book,

[Ravensfan23]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

 

That's good. ZDS came on strong towards the end of the season last year and worked hard to improve this year thus far. I'd rather he be given those pass rush opportunities over a guy like Kruger. Same goes for Judon, he might not be ready for a steady role, but I think he'll be really good in a rush specialist role, which is exactly what you'll bring Kruger in to do. 

[JoeyFlex5]

do you guys really trust judon and ZDS that much? our pass rushing OLBs are: suggs, doom, ZDS, judon. 2 guys coming off of injuries over age 30, a 2nd year 4th rounder, and a first year small school 4th rounder, the former 2 are injury concerns, the latter 2 are inconsistent, unproven, and so far have shown to get gassed easily. 

id take kruger in a heartbeat as long as he accepts a pass rusher contract and not a 3-down+pass rush contract.  

 

another guy recently cut... quinton coples, is he done? hes been a big disappointment so far thats for sure, could be a cheap pickup on his last shot, dudes always had potential.

[usmccharles]

Seattle cut CB Brandon Browner 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Seattle cut CB Brandon Browner 

ive always found him overrated, although ill say hes better than shareece wright

[rmw10]

18 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Seattle cut CB Brandon Browner 

No thanks.  Penalty machine.

[jazz1988]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

do you guys really trust judon and ZDS that much? our pass rushing OLBs are: suggs, doom, ZDS, judon. 2 guys coming off of injuries over age 30, a 2nd year 4th rounder, and a first year small school 4th rounder, the former 2 are injury concerns, the latter 2 are inconsistent, unproven, and so far have shown to get gassed easily. 

id take kruger in a heartbeat as long as he accepts a pass rusher contract and not a 3-down+pass rush contract.  

 

another guy recently cut... quinton coples, is he done? hes been a big disappointment so far thats for sure, could be a cheap pickup on his last shot, dudes always had potential.

 

Suggs actually looks good to me .If you told he told he tore  his acl at age of 32 I probably wouldn't even notice it. Doom is coming off a foot/toe injury which he said himself he played through last year before having surgery on it during the off season.    Doom had 6 sacks with 25 quarterback hurries last year playing with a foot/toe injury which makes me wonder how well he can  play in  a situational pass rushing role if he  fully recovers from the injury.

 

I know ZDS and Judon aren't proven players yet but they have shown promise. Kruger not a solid run defender and  he's a outside,  pass rusher so he won't be nothing like McPhee. I would be all for signing him if he could be more versatile and actually a  three down player but he's not. Unless Terrell Suggs passing rushing skills have falling off the cliff then at this point what Krugar can provide is exactly what  ZDS, Judon, and  Correa could do potentially.

Edited August 29, 2016 by jazz1988

[JoeyFlex5]

4 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

 

Suggs actually looks good to me .If you told he told he tore  his acl at age of 32 I probably wouldn't even notice it. Doom is coming off a foot/toe injury which he said himself he played through last year before having surgery on it during the off season.    Doom had 6 sacks with 25 quarterback hurries last year playing with a foot/toe injury which makes me wonder how well he can  play in  a situational pass rushing role if he  fully recovers from the injury.

 

I know ZDS and Judon aren't proven players yet but they have shown promise. Kruger not a solid run defender and  he's a outside,  pass rusher so he won't be nothing like McPhee. I would be all for signing him if he could be more versatile and actually a  three down player but he's not. Unless Terrell Suggs passing rushing skills have falling off the cliff then at this point what Krugar can provide is exactly what  ZDS, Judon, and  Correa could do potentially.

its easy for someone with the history of suggs to come in and look good right away, but he has rehabbed all offseason and is probably still far from football shape, going into the season without being in peak condition can lead to quick fatigue, same goes for dumervil. 

also, why would we want a 3 down edge defender? we dont need that, we have our 3 down defender, we have the edge setter for the strong side, and we have rotational pass rushers who are unproven, we need one more edge rusher, if ANY of our guys get hurt or suddenly disappear due to fatigue(and there is a real concern for either of those to happen to our top 2 edge rushers) then we are suddenly looking very bare once again. 

people saw a good performance from zds and judon in the preseason and suddenly think were set at pass rusher, maybe our starting pass rush is good, and our rotation is good, but we are 1 injury or regression away from seriously lacking again. it also doesnt help our cause that our DL rotation is not appearing to be nearly as good as we expected.

[kjbmore]

We don't need 7 receivers, we were OK on that side of the ball last year, a 7th receiver is not going to make or break our season

Like the big man, bisciotto said - you can never have enough pass rushers. 

if we're looking at squeezing a few more years out of both sizzle n doom - a move like this would lighten their load - keeps everybody fresher and ups the competition lvl at the position

cant hurt bringing in somebody familiar with our system

I'd def kick the tires on Kruger

Edited August 29, 2016 by kjbmore

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

do you guys really trust judon and ZDS that much? our pass rushing OLBs are: suggs, doom, ZDS, judon. 2 guys coming off of injuries over age 30, a 2nd year 4th rounder, and a first year small school 4th rounder, the former 2 are injury concerns, the latter 2 are inconsistent, unproven, and so far have shown to get gassed easily. 

id take kruger in a heartbeat as long as he accepts a pass rusher contract and not a 3-down+pass rush contract.  

 

another guy recently cut... quinton coples, is he done? hes been a big disappointment so far thats for sure, could be a cheap pickup on his last shot, dudes always had potential.

If you are just bringing Kruger in as a rush specialist, Then yes I'd trust ZDS that much. He's not the starter he's a rotational pass rusher. But if need be he showed the coaches last year towards the end of the season that he can step into that starters role at OLB. He came to camp in great shape and is looking to be an even better player. The hope is he's a long term fixture for this defense, why would you reduce his role for a 30 year old pass rusher who may or may not be happy with a backup role?

Also if you sign Kruger, where does the roster spot come from? Do you risk cutting Judon and hope to place him on the PS for Kruger? Do you cut McClellan? or is another position on an already tight roster to be sacrificed?

You mentioned in another post that people think we're set at pass rush because of a good preseason performance, but I don't think that's the case. I just think people realize that a guy like Kruger is a luxury that the Ravens can't really afford right now and the performance of ZDS and Judon helps the coaches feel that way. I don't think it's a situation where the pass rush is set, but it's also something that's not in desperate need of help right now because the coaches seem happy with what's currently here right now. 

By the same notion of one injury away from being in a bad spot, you can say that about every position on the roster in some way. I'm not saying Kruger wouldn't be a good signing, I just don't see it.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Not going after the two Browns players would be a mistake. One has scheme familiarity and would provide some much needed pass rush. Even if it's for a cheap one year deal Kruger would be an asset here. Even Ozzie has said "you can never have too many pass rushers". I mean, I love Judon and  I really like ZDS, but we could use all the help we could get. 

 

We are another good pass rusher and a slot CB away from being a very good team. Ozzie... This is a gift. Take advantage of it.

[Steve0x]

Yes!!! Bring back Kruger

[Ravens4Real]

31 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

We don't need 7 receivers, we were OK on that side of the ball last year, a 7th receiver is not going to make or break our season

Like the big man, bisciotto said - you can never have enough pass rushers. 

if we're looking at squeezing a few more years out of both sizzle n doom - a move like this would lighten their load - keeps everybody fresher and ups the competition lvl at the position

cant hurt bringing in somebody familiar with our system

I'd def kick the tires on Kruger

I agree with this statement. People want to keep 7 WR's because it's a flashy position and typically one of the most recognized throughout preseason games. 

Many people may not want to hear it but we are dangerously thin at multiple positions on D. Obviously it's easy to cherry pick and play the what ifs on if someone goes down with injuries, but if Suggs play begins to fall off (will happen at any point now, especially coming off of a major injury) and Dumervil can't generate pressure on his own (like we all witnessed last year) then we have a real problem at OLB.

Smith just seems very slow off of the ball to be a pass rusher. Many of his sacks come from the QB holding the ball too long and his relentless motor getting there.

Judon, well he has looked good rushing the passer. But I think we all saw what he will become in the NFL this past preseason game. He is pretty good pass rushing specialist but will he be able to defend the run and have the endurance to play a full game? Right now he looks to get winded very easily. Which is typical for a guy coming out of a small school and not playing against good competition.

As far as Correa goes, I'm not even sure the Ravens know where they want to play him in the future so I'm not even going to comment on him. He could fill in as a pass rush specialist also. But no way could he handle a full workload. 

[-Truth-]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

No thanks.  Penalty machine.

When Rhonda Rousey wants to brush up on her armbar finishes, she watches Brandon Browner's coverage tapes.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, -Truth- said:

When Rhonda Rousey wants to brush up on her armbar finishes, she watches Brandon Browner's coverage tapes.

This made me smile.

[sibelius]

The only players on our roster we can afford to cut for pass rush help on the outside are Jeremy Butler, Carl Davis and Juice.

Give me a late career, Trevor Pryce type interior rusher and I'll bite, otherwise keep it moving. The only player I see being flat out replaced is Powers. Beyond that I think we're rolling with what we have. 

Edited August 30, 2016 by sibelius

[ravensdan]

7 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

do you guys really trust judon and ZDS that much? our pass rushing OLBs are: suggs, doom, ZDS, judon. 2 guys coming off of injuries over age 30, a 2nd year 4th rounder, and a first year small school 4th rounder, the former 2 are injury concerns, the latter 2 are inconsistent, unproven, and so far have shown to get gassed easily. 

id take kruger in a heartbeat as long as he accepts a pass rusher contract and not a 3-down+pass rush contract.  

 

another guy recently cut... quinton coples, is he done? hes been a big disappointment so far thats for sure, could be a cheap pickup on his last shot, dudes always had potential.

You are right on. Kruger would be a Fantastic fit for this team right now. A three down defender?  It's August 30. We missed our chance at a guy like Sheard. Proven rusher behind Suggs and Doom. I mean it's kind of a dream scenario. 

[ravensdan]

5 hours ago, Ravens4Real said:

I agree with this statement. People want to keep 7 WR's because it's a flashy position and typically one of the most recognized throughout preseason games. 

Many people may not want to hear it but we are dangerously thin at multiple positions on D. Obviously it's easy to cherry pick and play the what ifs on if someone goes down with injuries, but if Suggs play begins to fall off (will happen at any point now, especially coming off of a major injury) and Dumervil can't generate pressure on his own (like we all witnessed last year) then we have a real problem at OLB.

Smith just seems very slow off of the ball to be a pass rusher. Many of his sacks come from the QB holding the ball too long and his relentless motor getting there.

Judon, well he has looked good rushing the passer. But I think we all saw what he will become in the NFL this past preseason game. He is pretty good pass rushing specialist but will he be able to defend the run and have the endurance to play a full game? Right now he looks to get winded very easily. Which is typical for a guy coming out of a small school and not playing against good competition.

As far as Correa goes, I'm not even sure the Ravens know where they want to play him in the future so I'm not even going to comment on him. He could fill in as a pass rush specialist also. But no way could he handle a full workload. 

I agree with everything you said. I was just thinking easy cut is someone like Butler who will never see the field as a wr7. 

[jazz1988]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

its easy for someone with the history of suggs to come in and look good right away, but he has rehabbed all offseason and is probably still far from football shape, going into the season without being in peak condition can lead to quick fatigue, same goes for dumervil. 

also, why would we want a 3 down edge defender? we dont need that, we have our 3 down defender, we have the edge setter for the strong side, and we have rotational pass rushers who are unproven, we need one more edge rusher, if ANY of our guys get hurt or suddenly disappear due to fatigue(and there is a real concern for either of those to happen to our top 2 edge rushers) then we are suddenly looking very bare once again. 

people saw a good performance from zds and judon in the preseason and suddenly think were set at pass rusher, maybe our starting pass rush is good, and our rotation is good, but we are 1 injury or regression away from seriously lacking again. it also doesnt help our cause that our DL rotation is not appearing to be nearly as good as we expected.

 

Yes it's true that  Suggs may still be far from football shape but I still don't see how Kruger fits. Eventually Suggs is going to be in football shape and if he's the every down Suggs like he was in 2014 then we talking about a player that doesn't need to leave the field often. Krugers not going to start over Mccellan because he's not edge setter and he's not going to replace Doom as The Ravens outside pass rusher and I have never been aware of him being a  solid interiors pass rusher either so he may not be able to replace ZDS or be The Ravens next Mcphee. So overall The Ravens would have Kruger subbing in and out with Suggs or Mccellan  from time to time taking away playing time from Judon and Correa. 

 

Since Correa was drafted so high in the second round, I would think The Ravens want to get him playing time as much as possible.I don't even think Paul Kruger agent or him himself would consider The Ravens a attractive team to come back to because even with the health concerns with Suggs and Doom there's not a  very high chance he's going to be  a productive pass rusher  on this team. I'm sure he wants to cash in again with another some what big contract which he has a chance to do with a pass rushing needed team like the  Buffalo Bills or maybe even The Cowboys.

[redrum52]

Don't need Kruger.  Already have Suggs and Doom.  Behind them Smith and Judon.  All he'd do is take away their reps and slow development.

[Maryland]

No to Browner; no to Kruger.

Browner is absolutely awful and honestly has never been anything above average in his career. He's too slow, grabby, and prone to penalties. The reason he looked good with the Seahawks is because committing holding on every play and playing zone with really good safety help is their philosophy, and it suited him perfectly.

Kruger is getting too old. We have enough roster spots dedicated to edge-rushers between Suggs, Doom, Z.Smith, Judon, and Correa. Those last few names are less-proven, but they have upside where Kruger does not. 

[jdynamite]

14 hours ago, rmw10 said:

 

Hope this is 100% accurate. Nothing against Kruger, but I thought he got overhyped and overvalued following the Super Bowl run. He had a decent year that year as a situational pass rusher but before that the team couldn't find a position to keep him at for several years.  

 

Even beyond that I just don't see, who the team would part with so that Kruger could have a roster spot. 

[RaineV1]

ZDS put up respectable numbers last year and we can give time to Correa and Judon. We don't need Kruger. By the sounds of it, he hasn't even been that good for the Browns.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

ZDS put up respectable numbers last year and we can give time to Correa and Judon. We don't need Kruger. By the sounds of it, he hasn't even been that good for the Browns.

1 year removed from 11 sacks and 4 forced fumbles while being misused. Id say he's done a respectable job. 

[JoeyFlex5]

You all put too much stock into 2 unproven players. I understand encouragement, I am very encouraged by the performances of zds and judon, they've looked good, but As I said, 1 injury and suddenly were desperately lacking enough options, and if one of those 2 young guys aren't as good playing 16 games against starters then we bet our whole pass rush on 2 guys that we should have expected to hit a wall, because rookie walls and sophomore slumps are extremely common.