Kamalei Correa - Is he meeting expectations?

[Moderator 3]

2 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

So your logic is, 2nd round pick doesn't shine in his first three preseason games, therefore he is a wasted pick.

 

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Embarrassing thread for the fanbase.

 

57 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

It doesn't come off as a simple discussion when you title the thread "wasted 2nd round pick". It comes off as you implying that correa was a wasted pick, excuse us for that misunderstanding..

The title has been adjusted.

[Purple Punishment]

3 preseason games into this guys Rookie season.... I've never seen a fan base like ours. The sky is falling if he doesn't pan out in 3 preseason games... That's my take right there. Give the young man some time.

 

but let's play devils advocate.... If KC doesn't pan out. We had our chance to take Myles Jack, and Noah Spence. We kept getting cute thinking Spence would be there after our second trade back in the second and he wasn't. You can blame them all day for squandering 1st rd talent on the table for some 5th rounders.

 

Our team operates this way and we have been successful for a very long time.

Edited August 28, 2016 by Purple Punishment

[redlobster]

These last two drafts (rnds 1-3} have been frustrating for lack of things to show for them

 

2015:

 

: Perriman - nothing to date

williams - some promise,buried in depth chart

davis - very average and inconsistent

 

2016:

stanley - looks great so far

correa - so far , meh. (Yes it's only been 3 games)

Bronson - hurt

 

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, Purple Punishment said:

3 preseason games into this guys Rookie season.... I've never seen a fan base like ours. The sky is falling if he doesn't pan out in 3 preseason games... That's my take right there. Give the young man some time.

 

but let's play devils advocate.... If KC doesn't pan out. We had our chance to take Myles Jack, and Noah Spence. We kept getting cute thinking Spence would be there after our second trade back in the second and he wasn't. You can blame them all day for squandering 1st rd talent on the table for some 5th rounders.

 

Our team operates this way and we have been successful for a very long time.

I think most people knew TB would take Spence, so I'm unsure if the Ravens even really wanted Spence.

[Sami84]

I wanted chris jones for our 2nd round pick

hes apparantly dominating.

 

 

[OUravensfan]

4 hours ago, Davesta said:

I really wanted Boyd ?

Gonna be so mad if Dalton gets yet another weapon

[Cillmatic]

i've got faith in him, I'm willing to wait longer than three preseasons to say he hasn't met expectations, he applied pressure when he's in and seems to be durable, which is A LOT more than we can say about Maxx.

[izvoodoo]

I'm disappointed he hasn't done more.  But he's a hard worker so I'm confide by he will find a way to contribute even if he doesnt set the world on fire.

[sibelius]

I think KC is going to be a baller for us but he's the kind of guy that's going to need to be schemed to get to the QB to get him off tackles/guards.

Judon is the type of guy that beat a tackle one-on-one. Correa's built to go against RBs/TEs. I think we'll see his real impact on the back half of games during the regular season. 

[Edgar]

I was not thrilled about drafting Correa over Myles Jack and a few others but I think the front office would be happy with him making his impact a year from now.

A few things he has going for him that are difficult or impossible to teach ;

1)Great burst off the line and tremendous initial quickness.

2)Already displays an understanding of how to set the edge.

3) plays with passion

Right now he is raw as an edge rusher and needs to improve technique. He is done as soon as he is engaged and doesn't have a plan to get off. Needs to take on one half of a defender rather than head on, which he has a tendency to do.

Needs counters. I think learn from Dumervil and Suggs how better to use his hands and how to set up his speed. Perhaps adding weight would help.

[Willbacker]

3 hours ago, Purple Punishment said:

3 preseason games into this guys Rookie season.... I've never seen a fan base like ours. The sky is falling if he doesn't pan out in 3 preseason games... That's my take right there. Give the young man some time.

 

but let's play devils advocate.... If KC doesn't pan out. We had our chance to take Myles Jack, and Noah Spence. We kept getting cute thinking Spence would be there after our second trade back in the second and he wasn't. You can blame them all day for squandering 1st rd talent on the table for some 5th rounders.

 

Our team operates this way and we have been successful for a very long time.

We got KC plus Chris Moore and Matt Judon with those tradebacks.

To the op. Stats are nice but sometimes its what you do off the ball. Are you changing the RBs direction into traffic? Are you creating push to make the QB release the ball faster? Are you contributing on SpTeams? Are you having influence on a play? Sure he can stand out more like Judon but the fact is I haven't seen him make a bad play or miss a tackle.

[Jacquouille]

Honestly with him you feel like he just needs to pile up reps. As Flex said he was around the ball, he was just this far from making a play. I just feel like he needs to find his rythm, and that's why I hope Pees finds ways to help him stay on the field whether at ILB or OLB. 

It's not like he was bad or anything, he just didn't make great plays like Levine or Orr thus far.

Edited August 28, 2016 by Jacquouille

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Michael Thomas was, in your and my opinion, the best receiver in the draft, but you wouldn't want that? He's an intermediate threat with precise route running. Given how infrequently Joe went down the field in PS3, Thomas would have been an excellent intermediate threat.

Alexander is fifth on the depth chart in Minnesota. It'd be more about adding depth for a team that has FA's failing to live up to expectations (Powers, Wright). I actually wanted Kendall Fuller more, but we're talking about the second round.

Myles Jack had injury concerns... five years dowm the road. Given the Ravens didn't re-sign Smith or Upshaw and will likely cut Brown, four good years of Jack is probably a pretty good investment.

Cravens has been the model of incosistency and it's been difficult to define a role for him in Washington

I'm all for giving Correa time, especially with Orr coming on very strong. I'm just pointing out players I would have rather had.

I thought Coleman was gonna be the top receiver taken and I also thought He was the best in the draft, pretty sure I called Thomas 2nd but that's no big deal lol and I certainly wouldn't have minded but there are others I would've taken before him for sure.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, Purple Punishment said:

3 preseason games into this guys Rookie season.... I've never seen a fan base like ours. The sky is falling if he doesn't pan out in 3 preseason games... That's my take right there. Give the young man some time.

 

but let's play devils advocate.... If KC doesn't pan out. We had our chance to take Myles Jack, and Noah Spence. We kept getting cute thinking Spence would be there after our second trade back in the second and he wasn't. You can blame them all day for squandering 1st rd talent on the table for some 5th rounders.

 

Our team operates this way and we have been successful for a very long time.

Ravens never planned on taking neither Spence or Jack. They traded back with Jax knowing who their guy was, they knew Tampa was taking Spence. I'm convinced that dodd was our guy and we panicked when he got taken, and I believe our back up plan was to use those picks to trade back up for either Alexander or cravens and we failed to find a partner.

[KBoum]

44 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I thought Coleman was gonna be the top receiver taken and I also thought He was the best in the draft, pretty sure I called Thomas 2nd but that's no big deal lol and I certainly wouldn't have minded but there are others I would've taken before him for sure.

I'm the one who had Michael Thomas best WR of this class and Mackensie Alexander probably the best CB (after Ramsey). My man Mack got his 2nd interception in 3 games now. He was suppose to have bad ball skills.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

I remember KC being referred to as a "bowling ball" early on in camp, then after the scuffle with Pitta, has become non existent of late....did Joe hurt his feelings?

[Sami84]

4 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

i've got faith in him, I'm willing to wait longer than three preseasons to say he hasn't met expectations, he applied pressure when he's in and seems to be durable, which is A LOT more than we can say about Maxx.

 

 

 

any team with JJ watt better have a decent pass rush

 

wish we traded most of our 2011 draft picks for him :/

[ravefan52]

It's not surprising he hasn't made much of an impact yet. He has natural tools like quickness, but showed in college he didn't really know how to bend the edge or finish very well. Everyone should have known he's a project. He was far from my first choice at that pick, but we'll see how he progresses. Jimmy wasn't really even good until year 3.

[jdynamite]

Wow we aren't even to the regular season yet, what kind of expectations are there in preseason to be met? 

[redrum52]

On 8/28/2016 at 7:21 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

I would have rather had Michael Thomas, Mackensie Alexander, or Myles Jack. Also, I think the Ravens were targeting Kevin Dodd.

However, it's three preseason games in. I'm just happy he's out there giving effort on every single play. The rest will come to him with time.

Same.  Was hoping for Jack or Alexander.  Not calling him a bust, but I think the pick could've been put to better use.  We'll see.  I was high on Alexander, not just due to need, but thought he would do well here.

[CalvinSmoke]

19 hours ago, KBoum said:

I'm the one who had Michael Thomas best WR of this class and Mackensie Alexander probably the best CB (after Ramsey). My man Mack got his 2nd interception in 3 games now. He was suppose to have bad ball skills.

I also had Michael Thomas as the best in the class. With sterling Shepard second. My biggest fear about Thomas was the whole thing about not learning Playbooks.

[jazz1988]

23 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think most people knew TB would take Spence, so I'm unsure if the Ravens even really wanted Spence.

I agree. I think The Ravens really valued Correa over Spence probably more due to his versatility as well. The Ravens knew they needed help at inside linebacker and outside linebacker  which is what Correa could potentially provide/help with .

[redrum52]

18 hours ago, Sami84 said:

any team with JJ watt better have a decent pass rush

 

wish we traded most of our 2011 draft picks for him :/

Jimmy Smith, regardless of how you feel about the call/non call is a big reason we won the SB.  I'm happy with their decision.  Also, Torrey came up big in the Mile high Miracle, or as I prefer,  "Bronco Buster."    These are all perfect examples of why I'm not mad at the front office for moves they make because most here are short sighted.

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, CalvinSmoke said:

I also had Michael Thomas as the best in the class. With sterling Shepard second. My biggest fear about Thomas was the whole thing about not learning Playbooks.

had the same concern, him being keyshawns nephew and all is concerning on its own, then rumors circulated about him not putting in work in the film/classroom is very concerning, harbaugh will healthy scratch that fool every week until his contract ends if that is a real problem lol.

 

4 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I agree. I think The Ravens really valued Correa over Spence probably more due to his versatility as well. The Ravens knew they needed help at inside linebacker and outside linebacker  which is what Correa could potentially provide/help with .

i wouldnt be surprised if they drafted correa purely with the intentions of giving him a go at ILB for a few years and hoping he learns the handfighting and shedding and bulks up on his own and just slides to OLB naturally, if he cant make the adjustment, no harm no foul we got an instinctive and athletic dog to pair with mosley.

[Jacquouille]

Winchester doesn't seem to be here, but for once I'll carry on his ideas. The Bruce Irvin role as a SAM both in the 3-4 and 4-3 is taylor made For Correa imo. He can be a sneaky good edge setter on first downs and a great X factor in a 4-3 behind guys like Z, Suggs or even Judon.

Again, the fact that Correa hasn't been the advertised playmaker doesn't mean he was bad. 

[Ravensfan23]

Correa hasn't been bad at all imo. He's not filling up the stat sheets, but he's making plays. He has to develop better pass rush moves, especially a secondary move, but that'll come. Other than that, turn the first 2 games on and he's all over the field. Haven't been able to watch the 3rd game yet, but the first two games were good showings for Correa imo. Is there room for improvement? absolutely, but he hasn't been bad or looked like a wasted pick at all. 

I think his impact will be felt in a much greater way once the Defense starts scheming up blitz packages. I can see him being a spy to mobile QBs like Tyrod in week 1. To answer the question, yes he's meeting expectations. 

[Tru11]

8 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Correa hasn't been bad at all imo. He's not filling up the stat sheets, but he's making plays. He has to develop better pass rush moves, especially a secondary move, but that'll come. Other than that, turn the first 2 games on and he's all over the field. Haven't been able to watch the 3rd game yet, but the first two games were good showings for Correa imo. Is there room for improvement? absolutely, but he hasn't been bad or looked like a wasted pick at all. 

I think his impact will be felt in a much greater way once the Defense starts scheming up blitz packages. I can see him being a spy to mobile QBs like Tyrod in week 1. To answer the question, yes he's meeting expectations. 

what plays has he made so far?

real talk i cant remember him making any plays. at all so far.

[Ravensfan23]

Not a knock to your ability to see the game or anything, Just want to say that up front. But you probably don't remember him making plays because they aren't plays that show up in the stat sheets. There are plays that he's making that i'm sure he's getting praised in film study for and there are plays i'm sure he's getting coached up on as well. 

But him setting the edge and allowing a teammate to make the tackle, is him making a play because he "did his job". Him being smart enough to see that the defender isn't really giving much resistance on a screen pass so instead rushing the passer he jumps to get in the passing lane causing a incomplete pass is him making a play. Him taking a route away in the passing game isn't flashy, but it's him doing his job. I'm just now watching the Lions game so i'll let you know what I thought of his performance in that game, but in the first two games he played well and smart. He needs to learn how to finish in the NFL because he won't just overpower and outhustle everybody at this level. 

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Not a knock to your ability to see the game or anything, Just want to say that up front. But you probably don't remember him making plays because they aren't plays that show up in the stat sheets. There are plays that he's making that i'm sure he's getting praised in film study for and there are plays i'm sure he's getting coached up on as well. 

But him setting the edge and allowing a teammate to make the tackle, is him making a play because he "did his job". Him being smart enough to see that the defender isn't really giving much resistance on a screen pass so instead rushing the passer he jumps to get in the passing lane causing a incomplete pass is him making a play. Him taking a route away in the passing game isn't flashy, but it's him doing his job. I'm just now watching the Lions game so i'll let you know what I thought of his performance in that game, but in the first two games he played well and smart. He needs to learn how to finish in the NFL because he won't just overpower and outhustle everybody at this level. 

I respect your opinion a lot, but I gotta say something here: 

I feel bad saying this because I know not every guy can be putting up the stats. Someone has to clean up and make others look good, but Correa is a high 2nd round pick who would have been our first pick in most recent years. He hasn't looked quite good enough for that billing for me, TBH. We don't need a guy to just do his job to make others look good. I heard this same exact excuse for Courtney Upshaw, and I don't want to hear it anymore. Upshaw had his role, but as a high 2nd round pick he was a great disappointment and it seems the league agrees since he had a quiet market. 

NFL teams care about guys filling a role so others look good, but not as early day 1 or day 2 picks. Those guys better be making plays that show up tangibly for themselves. I'm not saying Correa sucks, but he has disappointed me so far if I am being honest. I haven't seen a ton of games, though. I missed the 2nd game as I was out of the country and only saw pieces of it at a bar, lol, so that wasn't really a good way to evaluate. I saw the 1st and 3rd game, but I didn't get to the 3rd game until a couple drives were played as I didn't get home until 740ish. 

[Ravensfan23]

53 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I respect your opinion a lot, but I gotta say something here: 

I feel bad saying this because I know not every guy can be putting up the stats. Someone has to clean up and make others look good, but Correa is a high 2nd round pick who would have been our first pick in most recent years. He hasn't looked quite good enough for that billing for me, TBH. We don't need a guy to just do his job to make others look good. I heard this same exact excuse for Courtney Upshaw, and I don't want to hear it anymore. Upshaw had his role, but as a high 2nd round pick he was a great disappointment and it seems the league agrees since he had a quiet market. 

NFL teams care about guys filling a role so others look good, but not as early day 1 or day 2 picks. Those guys better be making plays that show up tangibly for themselves. I'm not saying Correa sucks, but he has disappointed me so far if I am being honest. I haven't seen a ton of games, though. I missed the 2nd game as I was out of the country and only saw pieces of it at a bar, lol, so that wasn't really a good way to evaluate. I saw the 1st and 3rd game, but I didn't get to the 3rd game until a couple drives were played as I didn't get home until 740ish. 

If we are having this conversation 12 games into the regular season, I agree 100% but we're talking about 3 preseason games. I understand he's a high 2nd round pick and you want to see stats, but I'd rather see the guy do his job as opposed to trying to make something happen and not doing his job. Again we are talking about PRESEASON. If KC had the type of game Carter had in week 1, everyone would be talking about DROY for this guy but Carter has done next to nothing since. I only say that to say, preseason numbers don't mean anything. Again for me personally I'd rather see the guy doing his job as a rookie rather make a splash play or two but failing on most of his assignments.

I understand the need to see guys make impact plays and I think it'll happen for him soon. The difference between he and Upshaw imo is you see the potential in KC as a pass rusher, he just has to refine his skills. Upshaw wasn't a pass rusher at all. Just so we're on the same page, I'm not saying he doesn't have to put up numbers, I fully expect him to put up numbers and if he doesn't i'll be highly disappointed. But with that said, he's making plays that doesn't show up on the stat sheets for him. For example, he had a really quite game vs the Lions imo. However the two biggest defensive plays in that game KC had a impact on both. On both plays his coverage forced the QBs to hesitate and it led to Levine's Int and Judon's sack. When we talk about how bad our ILBs were in coverage last season, that's a big deal to have this rookie having a plus grade in pass coverage so far, especially since that's one of the areas he didn't really do in college. 

Right now he just seem to be a half of tick late in his reaction and get off in the pass rush which allows OTs to get there hands on him. Again i'm not saying KC doesn't have to put up numbers, I'm just saying right now I don't think he's playing bad and certainly not bad enough for us to be questioning if he's meeting expectations after 3 preseason games.