Are we in trouble at TE?

[wizard1]

I'm so tired of hearing everyone say how deep we are at TE. We are not deep and actually have nothing viable to put out there. Ben Watson is done and even if he was ready for gametime  he was old and over the hill. Nick Boyle is suspended, Crockett Gilmore is always hurt. Dennis Pitta will never play another meaningful down in the NFL. The truth of the matter is we have Maxx Williams who actually reminds me of Todd Heap but without Maxx we have absolutely nothing. So Please lets get real!

[Tru11]

you running out of magic?

[rmcjacket23]

LOL, the "over the hill guy" put up numbers last season that were as good as anything Todd Heap did in his prime.

 

[wizard1]

No - I have yet to run out of magic but we are unfortunately out of TEs. And let/s see what else is wrong even tho we won 30-9. We really don't have a breakaway running back. Instead we got several ham h eggers. We really don't have a breakaway WR unless you call Kamar Aiken breakaway. We really don't have a back-up QB unless you want to call Ryan Mallet a safe bet. Terrell Suggs is old and haggard, so is SSS old and haggard,Wallace is a total joke. Weddle is almost 32, we got a patchwork O-Line with one half rookies and the other half veterans. . As usual we got a decent corp of linebackers and a decent D-line but if we have any injuries in either of those we have no depth. Do we have any possible pro bowlers Better yet -do we have any top 100 players of 2016? Yes we do-Marshal Yanda and....... So the big question is "How do we stack up against the rest of the AFC North" ?

[RavensPunkXVX]

8 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

No - I have yet to run out of magic but we are unfortunately out of TEs. And let/s see what else is wrong even tho we won 30-9. We really don't have a breakaway running back. Instead we got several ham h eggers. We really don't have a breakaway WR unless you call Kamar Aiken breakaway. We really don't have a back-up QB unless you want to call Ryan Mallet a safe bet. Terrell Suggs is old and haggard, so is SSS old and haggard,Wallace is a total joke. Weddle is almost 32, we got a patchwork O-Line with one half rookies and the other half veterans. . As usual we got a decent corp of linebackers and a decent D-line but if we have any injuries in either of those we have no depth. Do we have any possible pro bowlers Better yet -do we have any top 100 players of 2016? Yes we do-Marshal Yanda and....... So the big question is "How do we stack up against the rest of the AFC North" ?

Are you an actual fan of the Ravens? If so, can you go and be a fan of another team?

[wizard1]

I am a fan which is why I'm so verbose about what I see. Otherwise I would be laughing right now at what I see. Instead I need a tissue. I can't stand another 5-11 season but according to my personnel assessments that's where we are heading. Who is going to lead us to the promised land? We got a whole bunch of followers and no leaders.

[scrock]

wizard whip yourself up a magic potion to eliminate negativity...just a smidge

[wizard1]

Well heck and here I thought I was looking on the bright side. Things could be much worse. We could live in Pittsburgh . What could be worse than that?

[Tru11]

being a wizard without magic?

[wizard1]

I do have some magic-look we are 3-0 in pre-season. Is that not magic?

[Moderator 3]

Title adjusted to match the actual subject.

[Edgar]

I like the players we have.

[Mad Puppy]

Well if it is any consolation.
Jeremy Butler has made the Team while often injured Campanaro has done nothing to merit a roster spot.

At least we might have a healthy guy in the #6 receiver spot.

 

On the TE front:

I actually liked the Watson signing, but now, oye-vey!

We only have 2 TE to start the season Gilmore and MAxx Williams, I have little faith in Pitta at this point, any catch is a bonus in my opinion.

Boyle has flashed but a 10 game suspension is only one more PED test from season long.

Waller has potential to be a good receiving TE though also has PED issues.....Is anyone else seeing a trend with Ravens and PED's (ASA Jackson was one for them in the past).

 

Edited August 28, 2016 by Mad Puppy
added TE discussion

[Tank 92]

6 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

 

Waller has potential to be a good receiving TE though also has PED issues.....Is anyone else seeing a trend with Ravens and PED's (ASA Jackson was one for them in the past).

 

I think Waller was suspended for pot, not PEDs.

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, wizard1 said:

I do have some magic-look we are 3-0 in pre-season. Is that not magic?

so you're claiming that 3-0 is on you then? and what a misnomer... people claimed our te group was deep when we had crockett, pitta, maxx, watson, waller, boyle and brown all healthy and practicing - what do you expect when watson and pitta go down? if anything the fact that we still had a starter out there yesterday even with 3 starting calibre tight ends out of action shows you just how deep we are

[balfan23]

OK - let's see if we reel in the conversation from the wild negative assessment to our TE situation and the inevitable follow-up reactions to that negativity and bring it to something reasonable. 

It is not crazy to believe that the TE position has become a concern. It hardly matters what anyone's assessment is for Watson ... whether he's over the hill, whether we should have even pursued him in FA, etc ... because he's gone. We can go ahead and try to assess the situation as it stands. 

In Eisenberg's "5 Thoughts" piece, he claims that Watson is a loss we can absorb. Maybe ... maybe not. He says, "Yes, there are short-term issues" because of the current injuries to Pitta and Maxx - but to me there is more than that to the concern. It is not that they have current injuries ... it is that - in Pitta's case, I think it is a rational fear that he could be gone in a blink. Sure it can happen to anyone, but I think he carries a much higher than normal risk for such an event. Maxx - he's been struggling to stay on the field from day 1 ... every other week he's nursing some ailment. Even when healthy, he just doesn't appear to me to be ready. 

That leaves Gilmore, who also has had his struggles staying healthy. So, we can overcome these short term issues if these guys can get healthy soon and can stay healthy for more than a couple quarters. As far as Maxx goes, he seems to lack a physical maturity that I don't see suddenly changing. I think he's a year away from being the kind of TE you'd expect from a mid-2nd round selection. 

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, balfan23 said:

As far as Maxx goes, he seems to lack a physical maturity that I don't see suddenly changing. I think he's a year away from being the kind of TE you'd expect from a mid-2nd round selection.

there is that - but then he also showed a lot of production down the stretch last year? i certainly think he's someone who improves with more game time... it may be he's still not fully developed physically but it also might be nagging injuries holding him back and the fact that until last night he was 4th on the depth chart - now he's probably 2nd for the moment at least

[Purple_City39]

35 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Waller has potential to be a good receiving TE though also has PED issues.....Is anyone else seeing a trend with Ravens and PED's (ASA Jackson was one for them in the past).

 

Asa actually was prescribed adderall but failed to show the paperwork to the NFL until after he was suspended.  To be fair, I don't remember if it was his first or second, but I recall him getting cleared to use Adderall literally the day after he was suspended

On topic, this thread is laughable

[January J]

I can't take any of your threads or posts seriously. I will refrain from any name calling...

[CalvinSmoke]

5 hours ago, Purple_City39 said:

Asa actually was prescribed adderall but failed to show the paperwork to the NFL until after he was suspended.  To be fair, I don't remember if it was his first or second, but I recall him getting cleared to use Adderall literally the day after he was suspended

On topic, this thread is laughable

I've got a customer that supposedly knows Asa personally. But either way, he didn't get paper work until after he was tested. So by the time he popped positive he had a prescription, but not before he was tested. 

[ravefan52]

I hated the idea of giving a 35 year old skill position player the amount of money the FO did. In general, it's not surprising to have seen so many of our best players get hurt, well because they're all old. But back to TE. There's still a ton of talent just depends who can stay healthy and not suspended. I'm not too worried about about the position honestly.

[GrimCoconut]

6 minutes ago, ravefan52 said:

I hated the idea of giving a 35 year old skill position player the amount of money the FO did. In general, it's not surprising to have seen so many of our best players get hurt, well because they're all old. But back to TE. There's still a ton of talent just depends who can stay healthy and not suspended. I'm not too worried about about the position honestly.

I didn't like it, either. I still don't. You can't pay people like that. Contracts like that have really hurt the team

[rmcjacket23]

32 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I didn't like it, either. I still don't. You can't pay people like that. Contracts like that have really hurt the team

Really don't say how Watson's contract is a problem. Its a 2 year, $7M deal with $3M guaranteed (basically his first season). Easily can be cut after year 1 with minor cap ramifications, and very, very little risk.

 

[RaineV1]

I think we'll be fine at TE. Even with Watson out and Pitta possibly not playing we have Crockett and Max as reliable chain movers and blockers. Plus there's Waller after his suspension. Also Boyle will be back later on in the season, and he's shown flashes of being good.

[terpmaniac]

13 hours ago, RavensPunkXVX said:

Are you an actual fan of the Ravens? If so, can you go and be a fan of another team?

ZING! We have a winner!

[JoeyFlex5]

so, has anything been disclosed about the maxx william injury? i have not been able to find ANYTHING regarding him or his injury, hes a ghost.

[allblackraven]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

so, has anything been disclosed about the maxx william injury? i have not been able to find ANYTHING regarding him or his injury, hes a ghost.

Nothing official. My guess is soft tissue.

[GrimCoconut]

39 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Really don't say how Watson's contract is a problem. Its a 2 year, $7M deal with $3M guaranteed (basically his first season). Easily can be cut after year 1 with minor cap ramifications, and very, very little risk.

 

I feel like it's a waste of money into an aging player. He's 35-years-old, and he's not Steve Smith Sr who had a Hall of Fame career. It's just a waste of money but more of a waste of compensatory pick we likely lost--unless his injury offsets that. I'm all for good players, but I feel like the investment was a waste of resources even if I understood the rationale for it. 

[Tank 92]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I feel like it's a waste of money into an aging player. He's 35-years-old, and he's not Steve Smith Sr who had a Hall of Fame career. It's just a waste of money but more of a waste of compensatory pick we likely lost--unless his injury offsets that. I'm all for good players, but I feel like the investment was a waste of resources even if I understood the rationale for it. 

Pretty easy to say all this now that he is lost for the season.   lol 

Ben was not brought here just for his blocking and pass catching abilities, but also for his great locker room presence and general intelligence. His influence on the young guys could prove to be invaluable. No one could have anticipated him tearing his Achilles in pre season so saying the investment is a waste really isn't fair. 

[GrimCoconut]

11 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Pretty easy to say all this now that he is lost for the season.   lol 

Ben was not brought here just for his blocking and pass catching abilities, but also for his great locker room presence and general intelligence. His influence on the young guys could prove to be invaluable. No one could have anticipated him tearing his Achilles in pre season so saying the investment is a waste really isn't fair. 

I don't blame you for saying that, but here's my thoughts on signing Watson:

 

So, I didn't hate the signing, but I didn't like losing a compensatory pick for it, and I definitely don't now that he is likely done for the year. That's a wasted signing. It may all be moot, though. Obviously, you can't ever predict a guy gets hurt, but he's 35-years-old, so injuries are a factor and the likelihood of injury increases with age. That's the human body. In that way, yeah, you're right and I probably misspoke about it being a wasted investment; however, he won't be personally impacting the game on the field, and that's a real shame for this team.