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Joe Flacco's outing was encouraging. Brutal development for Benjamin Watson, but Ravens can absorb his loss. Anthony Levine showing he's a playmaker. Love what we’re seeing from Terrell Suggs.

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1. Why are the Ravens so injury prone? at this point.... it cannot be bad luck bc we cannot be that much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL. I feel for Ben... SMH (we need to take a look at how we are training and preparing).

2. Dixon does look good- hope the injury doesn't set him back too much. He has a future here.

3. Loved to see Joe, Sizzle and company return and look good!

4. Harbs can complain about cutting the preseason down bc of injuries but he dont have to play starters ... that is his choice!

5. Waller is a player and I think that as unfortunate as losing Ben Watson is.... it may open a door for Waller down the road and he needs to be given opportunities!

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It's a shame that Dixon had this setback. He was well on his way to the starting job. Have yet to see a spark from Forsett... might we see West as the number one back?

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Good night overall, Flacco looked good especially chemistry with Wallace. 1st team defense looked real good, even getting a stop with Sizzle.
Judon 3 sacks in 3 games, Ravens likely found a Gem, Levine versatility as LBr/S helping him be a playmaker, Others showing up..again Butler,Rbs Dixon,West,

Shame about Watson and thankfully Dixon is just a knee sprain, thank god. He can rest up a couple weeks and hopefully be ready week 1, and worst case week 2-3

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Dixon is our first string RB in the future. We got a good one with this kid. Lets not rush him back. We do have depth at the postion (and don't forget Jusyzck). Kudos to Mallet as well. He really has performed well when he is in.

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Robbie29, Pitta isnt out indefinitely. He has a broken finger. Thats 4 week injury worst case scenario. Its already been like a week or 2..so worst case is he misses week 1, but with 2 weeks left his finger should be ready to go.
Yes Waller&Boyle are suspended but 2 different time lengths. 4 weeks for Waller compared to 10 for Boyle. While Im sure Watson injury changes roster decisions..they have Gilmore, Maxx Williams,Pitta..3 TEs who should be ready week 1 to hold the fort down. Then Waller come week 5.

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Sorry to disagree, but the Ravens CAN'T absorb Watson's loss. What seasoned veteran TE is available to step up at this point? Pitta is out indefinitely, Waller & Boyle are suspended, and Gilmore still isn't fully healed from last year's injury. So the position group that started as one of the deepest on the team is now a skeleton crew- because, like the last two years, the Ravens' conditioning/strength/training crew is Severely Lacking in its ability to keep players healthy. I'm just sick and tired of watching one Raven after another go down. At this point, we should put Michael Phelps and that female gold medal wrestler in charge of strength and conditioning.

I'm pretty sure Pitta and Williams are projected to be back by week 1, and if Gilmore wasn't fully healed yet, he definitely wouldn't be playing in the preseason.

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Dixon is impressive. A future star. Watson is not a big loss. It makes room for Waller which to me is a sigh of relief. That guy can ball. IMO Waller can do more for the team than Watson can. Waller is a nightmare match up that Watson can never be. He (Watson) was Pitta insurance, nothing more.Joe looked good for his first game back. Loved the first throw to Wallace even though they didn't connect. It showed us Joe is comfortable with his new target. Aiken was solid and Butler is safe to say made the 53 man roster tonight. Loving the offense right now. Perriman is next game, But without Flacco throwing the ball it's all window dressing, unless he gets hurt.

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Dixon is our first string RB in the future. We got a good one with this kid. Lets not rush him back. We do have depth at the postion (and don't forget Jusyzck). Kudos to Mallet as well. He really has performed well when he is in.

Mallet has been solid. The Ravens have two starting QB's. If Joe goes down again it won't be a season ending event.

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1. Why are the Ravens so injury prone? at this point.... it cannot be bad luck bc we cannot be that much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL. I feel for Ben... SMH (we need to take a look at how we are training and preparing).

2. Dixon does look good- hope the injury doesn't set him back too much. He has a future here.

3. Loved to see Joe, Sizzle and company return and look good!

4. Harbs can complain about cutting the preseason down bc of injuries but he dont have to play starters ... that is his choice!

5. Waller is a player and I think that as unfortunate as losing Ben Watson is.... it may open a door for Waller down the road and he needs to be given opportunities!

1. This is just your misguided perception. We've lost one starter in Ben Watson. The Pats have lost RB Dion Lewis, RG Jonathan Cooper, RT Sebastian Vollmer & both starting DE - Sheard/Ninkovich to some degree of injury (not counting Brady Scissor Hands). The Cowboys have lost Romo, Dez and almost every MLB on their roster. The Squealers have lost starters Ladarius Green, Cameron Heyward & Bud Dupree (not to mention rocket scientist LeVeon Bell). Just today, the Colts lost their LG & the Jets lost their MLB.

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This team is so "Deep" deeper than empty pockets with talent so I hope everyone gets well soon but "Next man up"! My eyes are on the QB position because all the other positions are covered! Buffalo will blow up the line of scrimmage to stop the run and pass and I can hear the moaning already about the O line not blocking when they should be throwing the rock! Just like the Super Bowl against the 49ers Joe hit them up on several plays breaking their backs, this is what they need to do "EVERY" game not only the Super Bowl to put these teams away because WE THE BEST! Ryan Mallet and Brent Urban "I see yall"! Oh yeah NFL Network hating big time!

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8 hours ago, thecommish said:

1. Why are the Ravens so injury prone? at this point.... it cannot be bad luck bc we cannot be that much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL. I feel for Ben... SMH (we need to take a look at how we are training and preparing).

My 2 cents. The players need more game speed practice. They need to stop working out in the weight room so your tendons aren't over taxed. During the last contract negotiations, the player's union chose less practice in pads for allowing more power by Goodell. How's that working out for them.

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Oh Yeah, three QBs is a "MUST"! If Joe can't finish we got Ryan Mallet to pick up where he left off and Johnson ready to back him up! No more excuses the QB is surrounded with talent, just gotta get the ball to them and it's on! THE ANTICIPATION IS ASTOUNDING!

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Let's see 5 other thoughrs.

 

1.) With the season-ending injury to injury to Watson, we're still on the suinny side

I think we all knew that we wouldn't excape the camp and pre-season with at least one significant player going down. That just doesn't happen in the NFL. And if we absolutely had to lose a starter, the leading TE was a safe "choice". Yep, it's gonna hurt the O - but not as much as losing strating WR's, O-line guys or RB's.

 

2.) Levine's becoming the Swiss Army Knife of the D

The guy's a S, a C, a LB and a key ST cogwheel. If he can stay healthy, I'm expecting a bona fide breakout season for him.

 

3.) Butler's made the team

There's no way on earth he'd make it through to the PS again unnoticed if he was cut once again. What more has he got to do to make the roster? He stays healthy, he makes plays, he's had 2 (effectively 3) TD's this pre-season, he's a low key goy with no off-the-field drama... there's just no way we can retain him other than not cutting him at all. And why would we sant to? He's no rookie, he has proven that he can play in real games...

 

4.) Mallett and Josh Johnson will both be on a roster.

If there was any genuine debate over whether we should keep Mallett or Josh Johnson as a clipboard holder (I dont think there was) - it's no longer there. Mallett has been as convincing as a backup QB can be. He was one of the few players that was constantly bashed throughout camp fpor being inconsistent, making bad judgement with his throws etc... Then the pre-season came, and we saw the Mallett we wished to see: sharp, good judgement, good execution, not a lot of mistakes. I just don't see anything that would warrant even a brief consideration of not going with him. On the other Hand, Josh Johnson did great job, too. I guess there's no real risk in saying he'll be cut - there will b no place for 3 QB's on the final roster - because Mallett didn't let him overtake, but there's just as little risk in saying he'll be quickly picked up by another team. There are some teams where he could even push for the starting job...

 

5.) No matter how much the "focus on turnovers" was communicated and advertised throughout the camp, we've seen precious little of so far.

If the pre-season is in any way indicative, we won't see much more turnovers this season either... The frontline may deliver most of the goods, but the secondary... Ed Reed once said that the secret of being a ball hawk is mostly talent. Seems like our present crop in the secondary doesn't have enough of it. They could have about 5-6 interceptions in the pre-seasons if we only take those cases where the ball was effectively in the hand of one of our secondary guys... So, honestly, I'm not expecting a huge improvement from the secondary.

 

Bonus take: I'm all on board with Harbaugh's idea of eliminating the pre-seaosn altogether.

Of course it's totally unrealistic but still. At least the compulsory nature of it could be abolished: let those teams that want to play some pre-season games do yo on a voluntary basis - why not? But making it compulsory... Teams all around the NFL keep losing key players in the pre-season. And that's detrimental to the value of the NFL, isn't it?

And while we're at totally unrealistic ideas - how about removing those players who go on IR from the salary cap? We won't have Ben Watson on the field for the entire season - yet his salary will count against the cap. That's totally unfair and illogical IMHO. Just think about how much of our salary cap never even dressed for game for  a huge chunk of last season... And that's just pure insane that a key player goes down, and even though there would be a suitable replacement available, you can't pick him up because he wouldn't fit under the cap - when half of the cap is on IR...

 

Also, why is it 53 players? Why can't it be 60 or 65? It's a genuine rarity that an NFL team doesn't develop a serious depth deficiency for at least one position as the season progresses. I'm quite sure all GM's and coaches would welcome a bigger final roster. Just imagine not having to decide who to keep of the Matthews/Campanaro/Butler trio or the Waller/Brown/Boyle trio - or being able to allow the luxury of keeping 3 QB's on the roster...

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8 hours ago, thecommish said:

1. Why are the Ravens so injury prone? at this point.... it cannot be bad luck bc we cannot be that much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL. I feel for Ben... SMH (we need to take a look at how we are training and preparing).

4. Harbs can complain about cutting the preseason down bc of injuries but he dont have to play starters ... that is his choice!

1.) In fact, we are one of the luckier teams in terms of injury this pre-season and camp. The Ravens are no more injury prone than any other franchise in the NFL if you're looking at the comprehensive data. It MAY seem so because we, as Ravnes fans obviously know more about our roster and are much more well informed about the Ravens than other franchises. We only hear about the key injuries of other teams, so it may seem like there are fewer injuries there.

4.) You GOTTA play someone in the pre-season games. If it's not your starters, it's your depth players. And depth does, in many cases, make all the difference in the NFL. Losing a second or third stringer to injury can hurt as much as losing a starter.

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  8 hours ago, thecommish said:

1. Why are the Ravens so injury prone? at this point.... it cannot be bad luck bc we cannot be that much more unlucky then every other team in the NFL. I feel for Ben... SMH (we need to take a look at how we are training and preparing).

4. Harbs can complain about cutting the preseason down bc of injuries but he dont have to play starters ... that is his choice!

1.) In fact, we are one of the luckiest teams in terms of injury this pre-season and camp. The Ravens are no more injury prone than any other franchise in the NFL if you're looking at the comprehensive data. It MAY seem so because we, as Ravnes fans obviously know more about our roster and are much more well informed about the Ravens than other franchises. We only hear about the key injuries of other teams, so it may seem like there are fewer injuries there.

4.) You GOTTA play someone in the pre-season games. If it's not your starters, it's your depth players. And depth does, in many cases, make all the difference in the NFL. Losing a second or third stringer to injury can hurt as much as losing a starter.

Well said!!!

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Let's see 5 other thoughrs.

 

1.) With the season-ending injury to injury to Watson, we're still on the suinny side

I think we all knew that we wouldn't excape the camp and pre-season with at least one significant player going down. That just doesn't happen in the NFL. And if we absolutely had to lose a starter, the leading TE was a safe "choice". Yep, it's gonna hurt the O - but not as much as losing strating WR's, O-line guys or RB's.

 

2.) Levine's becoming the Swiss Army Knife of the D

The guy's a S, a C, a LB and a key ST cogwheel. If he can stay healthy, I'm expecting a bona fide breakout season for him.

 

3.) Butler's made the team

There's no way on earth he'd make it through to the PS again unnoticed if he was cut once again. What more has he got to do to make the roster? He stays healthy, he makes plays, he's had 2 (effectively 3) TD's this pre-season, he's a low key goy with no off-the-field drama... there's just no way we can retain him other than not cutting him at all. And why would we sant to? He's no rookie, he has proven that he can play in real games...

 

4.) Mallett and Josh Johnson will both be on a roster.

If there was any genuine debate over whether we should keep Mallett or Josh Johnson as a clipboard holder (I dont think there was) - it's no longer there. Mallett has been as convincing as a backup QB can be. He was one of the few players that was constantly bashed throughout camp fpor being inconsistent, making bad judgement with his throws etc... Then the pre-season came, and we saw the Mallett we wished to see: sharp, good judgement, good execution, not a lot of mistakes. I just don't see anything that would warrant even a brief consideration of not going with him. On the other Hand, Josh Johnson did great job, too. I guess there's no real risk in saying he'll be cut - there will b no place for 3 QB's on the final roster - because Mallett didn't let him overtake, but there's just as little risk in saying he'll be quickly picked up by another team. There are some teams where he could even push for the starting job...

 

5.) No matter how much the "focus on turnovers" was communicated and advertised throughout the camp, we've seen precious little of so far.

If the pre-season is in any way indicative, we won't see much more turnovers this season either... The frontline may deliver most of the goods, but the secondary... Ed Reed once said that the secret of being a ball hawk is mostly talent. Seems like our present crop in the secondary doesn't have enough of it. They could have about 5-6 interceptions in the pre-seasons if we only take those cases where the ball was effectively in the hand of one of our secondary guys... So, honestly, I'm not expecting a huge improvement from the secondary.

 

Bonus take: I'm all on board with Harbaugh's idea of eliminating the pre-seaosn altogether.

Of course it's totally unrealistic but still. At least the compulsory nature of it could be abolished: let those teams that want to play some pre-season games do yo on a voluntary basis - why not? But making it compulsory... Teams all around the NFL keep losing key players in the pre-season. And that's detrimental to the value of the NFL, isn't it?

And while we're at totally unrealistic ideas - how about removing those players who go on IR from the salary cap? We won't have Ben Watson on the field for the entire season - yet his salary will count against the cap. That's totally unfair and illogical IMHO. Just think about how much of our salary cap never even dressed for game for  a huge chunk of last season... And that's just pure insane that a key player goes down, and even though there would be a suitable replacement available, you can't pick him up because he wouldn't fit under the cap - when half of the cap is on IR...

 

Also, why is it 53 players? Why can't it be 60 or 65? It's a genuine rarity that an NFL team doesn't develop a serious depth deficiency for at least one position as the season progresses. I'm quite sure all GM's and coaches would welcome a bigger final roster. Just imagine not having to decide who to keep of the Matthews/Campanaro/Butler trio or the Waller/Brown/Boyle trio - or being able to allow the luxury of keeping 3 QB's on the roster...

I agree.

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- how unlucky do we have to be to lose our starting tight end on THE very first play with a non contact injury? Yeah it happens - but damn. Went from one of our deepest groups to suddenly thin.

-seein Suggs out there just transformed the entire defense. His presence alone just gave the defense a killer vibe . Just an awesome pick -me -up for the entire group.

-Flacco looked comfortable overall- showed some poise and even moved around a little bit. Saw what we needed to see from him. Nice to see him steadily hooking up with Wallace - even on intermediate routes. Can't wait till perriman and Steve get on the feild - defenses could be in trouble. Mallet looked impressive as well and for once I feel really good about our backup situation . If joe were to go down it would hurt - but there wouldn't be a dramatic drop off and he could carry the load. What if a team like the cowboys comes calling and offers up a fifth for mallet? Unlikely but what do you think we would do? Tough call.

-butler has made his case to make the roster. If there was any doubt before the Watson injury only solidifies it. Also, this kid Moore looks like the real deal. Impressive again in a limited capacity.

- PLEASE let the MRI bring positive news on Dixon today. Imo he is one of the backs we could least afford to lose and was on his way to making a push for the starting job. He's our future Bell cow for sure. 

-Forsett hasn't looked really impressive but I think he just needs to knock a little rust off. West has continued to play strongly.

-once again we seem to have a hard time getting off the feild on third down. Doesn't matter if its third and 18...we either give up a deep pass over the middle or commit PI...never fails. If we could get this cleaned up it will go a long way to help us winning games.

-Anthony Levine showing off his versatility yet again with another strong game. Splash plays are what we need and he's delivered a few in back to back games.

-Tucker and Koch are doing what they do best. Did we expect anything less?

-Jernigan really? We continue to make undisciplined stupid bonehead penalties that cost us points . Once again for the second week in a row we get a reminder of the nightmare against Jacksonville. Timmy just can't seem to play smart football , got all the potential but just doesn't seem to have good instincts. Really gotta clean that up. I don't care if his back was turned or not - the qb was on the ground- you touch him and it's the end of the half and they have 3 less points. This cannot fly during the regular season. Wake the heck up.

- kickoff coverage is also something we need to clean up. We seem to be giving up a lot of big run backs. That may be bc were giving different guys a shot and what not but it didn't look good. 

- If there was any doubt before (I never had one) campanaro has locked up the PR job. Hopefully Reynolds can be stashed on the ps bc he's CLEARY not ready and actually seems a long way off. Just doesn't look comfortable or natural finding the ball at all.

-Was suprised to see Wallace back there receiving the kickoff. Didn't get a chance to return one but it's an interesting thought.

thats all for now. Good overall game, just praying that Dixon isn't out for an extended period of time. If I was to guess id say 4-6 weeks but that could be a little on the optimistic side. Either way if we don't lose him for the year it's a good thing and he's a good Candidate for the designation to return. Hate to see him lose a year of experience and stunt his growth bc he is going to be something special. Anyway great to start 3-0 and good for team morale.

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I am not going to repost that long comment by replying directly but that poster asks why 53 and not 60 or 65 on a roster at the end of his post. (Read below if your not following me). The number of players on a roster is determined by the CBA. Of course the NFLPA wants 60 or 65 as that increases their income, size and power wielding abilities. The owners negotiate to this number because an increase means a larger salary cap and therefore a larger percentage of profits spent on players. I am sure that roster size, exchanging 2 preseason games for 2 more regular season games, and the percentage of salary cap spent on players will all be part of the next CBA. Also, there is a problem with watering down talent on certain teams. Let's face the truth, there are some teams out there that don't even spend their salary cap but only the 80 or 85% of it because the CBA sets that as a lower possible amount. That just means the few good players they have would sign with someone else destroying the parity the NFL tries so hard to keep. So perhaps we will see changes, but seriously doubt it will happen before the next CBA since these are negotiated items and not dictated by the NFL. Could they both agree and make it happen sooner, absolutely, but the NFL and NFLPA agreeing on anything has been proven over and over here recently and I have a better chance of becoming commissioner than they have to agree on such significant changes voluntarily.

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The one thing that stood out for me that this article doesn't mention is the play of the other quarterbacks. Both looked equally capable. They have got to find a way to hide Johnson. Letting him go would be a big mistake. I hope somebody tells Harbaugh that he has to let the backup guy play occasionally. There have been several opportunities in the past to get Joe out of the game, and out of the line of fire, but Harbaugh left him in.

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The one thing that stood out for me that this article doesn't mention is the play of the other quarterbacks. Both looked equally capable. They have got to find a way to hide Johnson. Letting him go would be a big mistake. I hope somebody tells Harbaugh that he has to let the backup guy play occasionally. There have been several opportunities in the past to get Joe out of the game, and out of the line of fire, but Harbaugh left him in.

The only way l could think of keep both backups unless Johnson fake a injury and then is put on IR. I don't know if it's legal to do that (LOL) but other than that it's only going to be one backup QB and that's Mallett. We could put Johnson on the practice squad but he might not make it through waivers.

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1. TE situation: Loss of Watson
What will Ravens do with Pitta? Does he get added to roster even though injured?

I like what I’ve seen from Waller and he’ll be back by game 5. Williams, Gilmore, and Boyle are solid guys that can grow.

2. Praying for Dixon health. I would hate to see promise derailed in a preseason game. I think worst case is IR designated to return

3. Undrafted rookies: Ravens seem to always keep at least one undrafted rookie. In my opinion, I like DT Pierce. I have seen nothing from Lewis-Moore and very little from Davis. Both seem to just lean on offensive linemen. Pierce seems disruptive. BTW. Jernigan is a bone-headed player. I predict there will be at least 3 times this season that he extends a drive with a stupid penalty.

4. Positive results on new guys.
a. Judon is the real deal. I would not play him at all in game 4.
b. Correa is solid. He quietly does the right things. Flushes the QB from the pocket, sets a decent edge, batting balls. Give him a year to get stronger.
c. Lewis looks rock solid at guard and more than capable of playing LT. Joe looked good cause with the starting offensive linemen, Lions starters got man handled.
d. Chris Moore is another quiet performer. Has not scored but has solid hands and speed. He will make an impact.

5. Guys that stepped up
a. Levine looks like he found a niche as a dime linebacker. Just all over the field
b. Brooks has stepped his game up. He ran with the starters and held his own. Not a ball hawk, but he is in position to deliver big hits and makes solid open field tackles
c. Butler, regardless of Perriman’s status has earned the right to make the team. Solid hand, size, and route running ability. With guys like Smith Sr probably playing his last year, Butler is a keeper
d. West looks good, pass protection, out of the backfield, burst. Ravens can aborbs Dixon temporary loss due to the play of West.
e. Urban is like trying to throw over a tree. He disrupts the passing lane and no FG is guaranteed with him on the field. You can’t teach 6’7”
f. Orr is just all over the field. At times, he looks better than Mosley. Nasty hitter

If Joe, Suggs, Smith Sr., Weddle, Dumervil, J Smith can continue to perform as expected and Ravens can stay healthy, look out.

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  29 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

The one thing that stood out for me that this article doesn't mention is the play of the other quarterbacks. Both looked equally capable. They have got to find a way to hide Johnson. Letting him go would be a big mistake. I hope somebody tells Harbaugh that he has to let the backup guy play occasionally. There have been several opportunities in the past to get Joe out of the game, and out of the line of fire, but Harbaugh left him in.

The only way l could think of keep both backups unless Johnson fake a injury and then is put on IR. I don't know if it's legal to do that (LOL) but other than that it's only going to be one backup QB and that's Mallett. We could put Johnson on the practice squad but he might not make it through waivers.

The Cowboys need a QB to back up Prescott. Keep an eye on this one.

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  28 minutes ago, hen826957 said:
  43 minutes ago, Fastynart said:

The one thing that stood out for me that this article doesn't mention is the play of the other quarterbacks. Both looked equally capable. They have got to find a way to hide Johnson. Letting him go would be a big mistake. I hope somebody tells Harbaugh that he has to let the backup guy play occasionally. There have been several opportunities in the past to get Joe out of the game, and out of the line of fire, but Harbaugh left him in.

The only way l could think of keep both backups unless Johnson fake a injury and then is put on IR. I don't know if it's legal to do that (LOL) but other than that it's only going to be one backup QB and that's Mallett. We could put Johnson on the practice squad but he might not make it through waivers.

The Cowboys need a QB to back up Prescott. Keep an eye on this one.

Yeah l know Romo is hurt. If they do trade get a 3rd rounder at most not those 5 round later picks. If we trade l want a 2nd or 3rd rounder if if not no deal if l was Ozzie.

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10 minutes ago, hen826957 said:

Yeah l know Romo is hurt. If they do trade get a 3rd rounder at most not those 5 round later picks. If we trade l want a 2nd or 3rd rounder if if not no deal if l was Ozzie.

there won't be a trade for that high a pick - if at all - johnson will be cut in a few weeks and the rest of the league knows that too they just have to wait - if we get anything for johnson ill be surprised

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Oh Yeah, three QBs is a "MUST"! If Joe can't finish we got Ryan Mallet to pick up where he left off and Johnson ready to back him up! No more excuses the QB is surrounded with talent, just gotta get the ball to them and it's on! THE ANTICIPATION IS ASTOUNDING!

I agree!

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Yes seeing Flacco and Suggs back was great. Levine's playing like a man on a mission. I see almost all the rookies making the team (besides the receivers not because they're bad because there's just so much talent). And I cannot wait to hopefully finally see Permian play some games.Yup it's going to be a good year!

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