The good the bad and the ugly Lions version

[rayven98]

Is there any news on Dixon yet?  I'm hoping its a 2-3 week deal and not 2-4 months.  Kid has looked really good thus far.

[jbwnbf]

4 weeks mcl tear no surgery

Edited August 28, 2016 by jbwnbf

[jbwnbf]

Check out @AdamSchefter's Tweet:

s=09

[Sami84]

probably a grade 2 tear

 

most realistic best case scenario.

[rmw10]

Just now, jbwnbf said:

Check out @AdamSchefter's Tweet:

s=09

Such a relief.  With the talent we have at RB, give him all of the time he needs to recover.  I'm really excited to see him out there though.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Such a relief.  With the talent we have at RB, give him all of the time he needs to recover.  I'm really excited to see him out there though.

He just looks decisive, nasty, and violent. He's going to be the starter very soon after his return. Bank on it.

[Moderator 3]

I can't believe no one is talking about this major action from last night 

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/8/28/12679710/photo-detroit-lions-no-touchdowns-but-bat-sex-happened

[Sami84]

the good news is thats when our schedule gets pretty hard..from week 3 onwards..

 

just heal up good dixon...

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Watching the game from the 2nd quarter For the first time and just saw the jernigan flag. I can't hold that against him, he thought Stafford fell and was touching him down, in the scrum of a collapsed pocket it's kinda hard I imagine to gently and easily just tap him, he wanted to ensure the sack. 

Unfortunately he was legally down, with most qbs(meaning not Tom brady) if they weren't touched and just fell I would imagine that would be a judgement call on legal or illegal.

In other words, wasn't malicious, it wasn't really even boneheaded, just trying to make a heads up play and screwed up.

Edited August 28, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[Sami84]

im so relieved. MCLS are not as troublesome as ACLS or PCLS.

 

Now Every starter better be in bubble wrap until the start of the season.

[Sami84]

Just now, JoeyFlex5 said:

Watching the game from the 2nd quarter For the first time and just saw the jernigan flag. I can't hold that against him, he thought Stafford fell and was touching him down, in the scrum of a collapsed pocket it's kinda hard I imagine to gently and easily just tap him, he wanted to ensure the sack. 

Unfortunately he was legally down, with most qbs(meaning not Tom brady) if they weren't touched and just fell I would imagine that would be a judgement call on legal or illegal.

 

can you really trust him? he really does seem like a knucklehead

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, Sami84 said:

can you really trust him? he really does seem like a knucklehead

Not really, but He could clear it up. I won't write him off yet because he's still young and Not every 3rd year player is as mature as Mosley. As of now it's frustrating though. 

Worse than the penalties to me is the inconsistency, he disappears against backup competition.

[Sami84]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Not really, but He could clear it up. I won't write him off yet because he's still young and Not every 3rd year player is as mature as Mosley. As of now it's frustrating though. 

Worse than the penalties to me is the inconsistency, he disappears against backup competition.

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I think during his rookie year having Mcphee rush with him really helped him. McPhee was just an animal ..i'd feel so much better about this pass rush if he was still here. Chris Jones was a guy i really liked and kansas took him after we traded back for correa. 

[JoeyFlex5]

12 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I think during his rookie year having Mcphee rush with him really helped him. McPhee was just an animal ..i'd feel so much better about this pass rush if he was still here. Chris Jones was a guy i really liked and kansas took him after we traded back for correa. 

I was a bit Chris Jones guy myself but the one I REALLY wanted was Preston Smith last year. I don't think you can blame anyone for thinking our DL rotation was gonna be very good and so not focusing resources on it

[Filmstudy]

15 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I think during his rookie year having Mcphee rush with him really helped him. McPhee was just an animal ..i'd feel so much better about this pass rush if he was still here. Chris Jones was a guy i really liked and kansas took him after we traded back for correa. 

If everyone is healthy, I think we'll see one of Z Smith or Judon move inside on passing downs, so the 4-man front might be Suggs/Jernigan/(ZSmith or Judon)/Dumervil.  Whoever can best command a double team with a big first step (like McPhee) should move inside, because getting multiple sets of shoulders turned will create a mess of opportunities for other one-on-one matchups and stunts/free runners/green dogs.  Sam Adams, Rob Burnett, Trevor Pryce, and Pernell McPhee are the 4 Ravens players who did that best. 

Edited August 28, 2016 by Filmstudy

[Sami84]

6 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I was a bit Chris Jones guy myself but the one I REALLY wanted was Preston Smith last year. I don't think you can blame anyone for thinking our DL rotation was gonna be very good and so not focusing resources on it

 

same...i loved preston smith..

[trevorsteadman]

Dixon when health and 100% should be the starter. No other running back has looked nearly as good as Dixon and Dixon looks just as good as Rice if not better. Dixon does everything and he brings that electric spark to the backfield. I finally feel like we found a quality guy in a draft at running back.

[K-Dog]

Does anyone know what really happened with the "unsportsman " call on the Ravens bench ?

Not to stir the pot, but has anyone said that it is the fault of the natural turf that Watson tore his achilles ? 

We have fantastic depth at RB.  Dixon will not be rushed back. 

[rayven98]

4 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Does anyone know what really happened with the "unsportsman " call on the Ravens bench ?

Not to stir the pot, but has anyone said that it is the fault of the natural turf that Watson tore his achilles ? 

We have fantastic depth at RB.  Dixon will not be rushed back. 

This.  What could get harbs riled up enough to get a 15 yard penalty up big in the pre-season?

[Kid87]

Jeremy Butler better make the team 

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Does anyone know what really happened with the "unsportsman " call on the Ravens bench ?

Not to stir the pot, but has anyone said that it is the fault of the natural turf that Watson tore his achilles ? 

We have fantastic depth at RB.  Dixon will not be rushed back. 

plenty of people have blamed the grass, and it is just absurd that anyone would even consider that... 

grass is a far more safe playing surface, anyone who has played on both will tell you that, turf honestly sucks to play on. people are just reaching for ridiculous conclusions forgetting that injuries happen in football, and we have been VERY unlucky the past few years with injuries, it happens. 

if i were to blame anything, i would blame players bodies being exhausted and brittle as a result of johns infamous training camp which is well known as the toughest camp in the league.

[Kid87]

34 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Dixon when health and 100% should be the starter. No other running back has looked nearly as good as Dixon and Dixon looks just as good as Rice if not better. Dixon does everything and he brings that electric spark to the backfield. I finally feel like we found a quality guy in a draft at running back.

Yeah he could start at some point in this season, I like Forsett but he doesn't look as good

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

plenty of people have blamed the grass, and it is just absurd that anyone would even consider that... 

grass is a far more safe playing surface, anyone who has played on both will tell you that, turf honestly sucks to play on. people are just reaching for ridiculous conclusions forgetting that injuries happen in football, and we have been VERY unlucky the past few years with injuries, it happens. 

if i were to blame anything, i would blame players bodies being exhausted and brittle as a result of johns infamous training camp which is well known as the toughest camp in the league.

I was attempting irony since last season people blamed our injuries on the turf. 

[JoeyFlex5]

17 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I was attempting irony since last season people blamed our injuries on the turf. 

the irony isnt lost on me... it is on many others however... 

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

I left Smith off the list, because he's a sure starter.  Here's what I noted: 

1. The DPI (Q1, 9:38) was a little ticky-tack, but costly.  It looked worse at the stadium than it did on the TV replay angles, because he clearly did not look back for the ball and made contact with the receiver.

2. I liked his gamble for the PD/INT (Q1, 0:43), but the throw was perfect and the receiver made the toe tap in bounds.  Good play, bad result.

3. He made the first contact on the 1-yard FB screen L to Burton (-5 + 6 YAC, Q2, 12:58) and got primary tackle credit.  Good play, but I look at good run defense more than a play on a pass.

4. He took advantage of the edge set by Correa to make a tackle for no gain (Q2, 2:48).  Again, good play versus the run is not why Smith is so well paid.

He wasn't tested often in 32 snaps (that's good news), so combined with the above I still have trouble giving an unqualified positive to it.

Smith's performance in 2016 is a little like Pascal's wager (on the existence of God).  We have to hope he'll be there, because there simply is not another option.

Awesome, we more or less saw the same things. I actually didn't think his run defense was as good as it was (or was it just those two plays?) and I've always felt he's a bit shaky as a tackler, but I am very pleased by what I would consider a steady progression from week one until now.

I actually thought the DPI was extremely ticky tack. I understand that he didn't fully turn his head, but the corner has as much of a right to the ball as the receiver and I thought Tate kinda came into Jimmy. I also hate that if a player doesn't turn their head, it's automatic PI. I don't like how much of a break the offense receives.

However, I will say this- Jimmy was top 5 in 2014 when healthy and PFF had him at six over the final eight weeks. A UPenn study found the recovery time for Lisfranc was 9-13 months, average being 11. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jimmy started playing much better about a year removed from the injury. Also, the study found players returned to their former level of play the very next season after their first season back from injury, so I think the steady progress we've seen so far from him is a very good sign of things to come in 2016.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Awesome, we more or less saw the same things. I actually didn't think his run defense was as good as it was (or was it just those two plays?) and I've always felt he's a bit shaky as a tackler, but I am very pleased by what I would consider a steady progression from week one until now.

I actually thought the DPI was extremely ticky tack. I understand that he didn't fully turn his head, but the corner has as much of a right to the ball as the receiver and I thought Tate kinda came into Jimmy. I also hate that if a player doesn't turn their head, it's automatic PI. I don't like how much of a break the offense receives.

However, I will say this- Jimmy was top 5 in 2014 when healthy and PFF had him at six over the final eight weeks. A UPenn study found the recovery time for Lisfranc was 9-13 months, average being 11. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jimmy started playing much better about a year removed from the injury. Also, the study found players returned to their former level of play the very next season after their first season back from injury, so I think the steady progress we've seen so far from him is a very good sign of things to come in 2016.

I'm really excited for Jimmy Smith this year. I really like how he was aggressive and attacking the ball. I always thought he had good ball skills, such as his insane fingertip interception in the playoffs against the Patriots during, I believe, our Super Bowl run. I was stunned by that interception. It was in the endzone, that I remember. I really think his struggles last year were due to his recovery. I get that a lot of people will assume that's a crutch of an excuse, but I think it's legit.

[JoeyFlex5]

37 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Awesome, we more or less saw the same things. I actually didn't think his run defense was as good as it was (or was it just those two plays?) and I've always felt he's a bit shaky as a tackler, but I am very pleased by what I would consider a steady progression from week one until now.

I actually thought the DPI was extremely ticky tack. I understand that he didn't fully turn his head, but the corner has as much of a right to the ball as the receiver and I thought Tate kinda came into Jimmy. I also hate that if a player doesn't turn their head, it's automatic PI. I don't like how much of a break the offense receives.

However, I will say this- Jimmy was top 5 in 2014 when healthy and PFF had him at six over the final eight weeks. A UPenn study found the recovery time for Lisfranc was 9-13 months, average being 11. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jimmy started playing much better about a year removed from the injury. Also, the study found players returned to their former level of play the very next season after their first season back from injury, so I think the steady progress we've seen so far from him is a very good sign of things to come in 2016.

he has been shaky starting with last year, but he used to be very good in run support and tackling on short catches. his first 3 seasons he really lit up some guys on screens and sweeps and quick outs, he seemed to do best with the sideline giving him the advantage. but ill say ive noticed he tends to struggle to tackle receivers who had already beaten him for the catch, exhibit A being AJ green last season, he beat him in more ways than one and did it often.

[PurpleCity5]

Anyone else here excited for Anthony Levine? Seriously, he has been one of our top 5 defensive performers this pre-season. He has been great these last two games. I'm also impressed with Ronnie Stanley, boy has he been awesome, I really think Ozzie found something great there. I'm also hyped up for Chris Moore, I really think he can end up with a good role in this offense.

[JoeyFlex5]

20 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Anyone else here excited for Anthony Levine? Seriously, he has been one of our top 5 defensive performers this pre-season. He has been great these last two games. I'm also impressed with Ronnie Stanley, boy has he been awesome, I really think Ozzie found something great there. I'm also hyped up for Chris Moore, I really think he can end up with a good role in this offense.

I think Levine is gonna be a big deal here in baltimore. I just have this feeling that he's gonna play just as well and continue to get better in the regular season, and MAYBE we will finally see a low investment guy develop into a great player and actually stick around instead of leaving for a big pay day. 

He looks like he could be a big piece moving forward

[Boddiebroadus]

9 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

 

I see Dixon as Forsett's main back up when he returns and undoubtedly the feature back starting next season and beyond. Big chance for T-West to mark some noise early this season though, should get a lot of touches the first few weeks with Dixon sidelined. Buck Allen has been the weakest of the 4 thus far.

I think West will take over the RB1 job. Anyone stashing west or Dixon on there fantasy bench?