Mallett Good, Johnson Better

[letitgosometimes]

Ryan Mallett is a good Ravens' second-team quarterback; however Josh Johnson is the better choice.  Johnson is poised and efficient and keeps the offensive tempo moving with his arm and legs.  Johnson is clearly the go-to backup quarterback to Joe and wouldn't miss a beat if Joe is injured.  

[FlocksGottaFeed]

1 hour ago, letitgosometimes said:

Ryan Mallett is a good Ravens' second-team quarterback; however Josh Johnson is the better choice.  Johnson is poised and efficient and keeps the offensive tempo moving with his arm and legs.  Johnson is clearly the go-to backup quarterback to Joe and wouldn't miss a beat if Joe is injured.  

 

Agreed, but should really keep Mallet at 2nd QB if we want more leverage to trade for positions to replace injuries or strengthen a unit if needed. Both QBs bring something to the table and they would definitely be needed back-ups in this 'watered-down' backup QB Era if we choose not to keep 3 QBs: however, Mallet would bring us a better deal if shopped around.

We would not lose much (or anything) with Johnson and gain multi-pass/run skilled 'practice' QB for game preparation.

[letitgosometimes]

Suggest trading Mallet to Dallas for premier defensive player - DB or rusher.  Ravens are moving closer to having a complete team, but still need help at DBs and Rushers. 

[Moderator 3]

I would love to keep them both (especially for a few games) for the different styles they bring to practice. Johnson could be very valuable for our defense to practice against before our first 2 games.  Also, if another QB or two go down, their "price" goes up.  

[Cillmatic]

 

45 minutes ago, letitgosometimes said:

Suggest trading Mallet to Dallas for premier defensive player - DB or rusher.  Ravens are moving closer to having a complete team, but still need help at DBs and Rushers. 

 

You're in for a rude awakening if you think we'd get ANYWHERE near a good player in exchange for Mallet. Plus the Cowboys DB's and pass rushers suck, why would they give us one and why would we want one?

[letitgosometimes]

51 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

 

You're in for a rude awakening if you think we'd get ANYWHERE near a good player in exchange for Mallet. Plus the Cowboys DB's and pass rushers suck, why would they give us one and why would we want one?

Without a quarterback, you're running on empty.  Dallas needs to secure a quarterback (or two) given the recent injury to Romo. 

[Inqui]

17 hours ago, letitgosometimes said:

Without a quarterback, you're running on empty.  Dallas needs to secure a quarterback (or two) given the recent injury to Romo. 

Would you have given up a decent player when Steve McNair went down? All it meant was we fast-tracked a rookie's injection into the first team, and it worked out pretty well.

If we call them offering Mallett in a trade, they'd have a good laugh, tell us to bog off and that they're happy to see what they've got with Dak Prescott.

[trevorsteadman]

I really don't see why people think Josh Johnson is head above heels destroying Mallett... Mallett has not made really any mistakes. There was the one interception that bounced off of Waller that was not on him. Other than that he has been throwing well and he is a Flacco clone. I really don't see the big difference between the two and I really do think Johnson is being overrated at this point. Reminds me of when people were calling for Flacco's head and for Tyrod to start a few years back.. Hurts my head.

[ravensdan]

2 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

I really don't see why people think Josh Johnson is head above heels destroying Mallett... Mallett has not made really any mistakes. There was the one interception that bounced off of Waller that was not on him. Other than that he has been throwing well and he is a Flacco clone. I really don't see the big difference between the two and I really do think Johnson is being overrated at this point. Reminds me of when people were calling for Flacco's head and for Tyrod to start a few years back.. Hurts my head.

The biggest difference I think is Flacco has way better mobility than Mallett. I'd see if there's interest in a conditional pick for Johnson. Why not?

[redrum52]

On 8/28/2016 at 10:26 AM, letitgosometimes said:

Without a quarterback, you're running on empty.  Dallas needs to secure a quarterback (or two) given the recent injury to Romo. 

Dak Prescott.  I think they're ok with their situation.

[Daft Classic]

46 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

Dak Prescott.  I think they're ok with their situation.

Dak for Josh Johnson. Straight up

/Sarcasm

[usmccharles]

On Sunday, August 28, 2016 at 7:44 AM, letitgosometimes said:

Suggest trading Mallet to Dallas for premier defensive player - DB or rusher.  Ravens are moving closer to having a complete team, but still need help at DBs and Rushers. 

 

Prescott looks better than both our backups... 

[bdot79]

For those in this thread advocating for a QB trade, the Vikings may now be a suitor.

[The Mom Gene]

Never leave out Dallas either... I'm not sure they are "fine" with Dak.  They may be looking for a veteran.  And who knows...   Kaepernick may be out there too.... 

 

[rmcjacket23]

So the guy who is getting beat out by Josh Johnson for a backup job now all of the sudden has trade value?

[ludy51]

39 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

So the guy who is getting beat out by Josh Johnson for a backup job now all of the sudden has trade value?

Yes

[Tank 92]

On August 29, 2016 at 4:08 AM, Inqui said:

Would you have given up a decent player when Steve McNair went down? All it meant was we fast-tracked a rookie's injection into the first team, and it worked out pretty well.

Just details, but Kyle Boller actually replaced McNair.  When Boller was injured preseason 2008 it was then Troy Smith that looked to be the starter until he got sick with some weird disease. It was at that point the rookie Flacco was forced into action. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, ludy51 said:

Yes

I'm sure the logic behind this notion is spectacular as always.

Backups on bad teams are always worth a ton to everybody else...

[ludy51]

19 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'm sure the logic behind this notion is spectacular as always.

Backups on bad teams are always worth a ton to everybody else...

I'm just gonna leave this here

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

I'm just gonna leave this here

Just following Bill Parcells lead.

Never been a good 5-11 football team. You are what you are. Acceptance is the only barrier to reality.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Just following Bill Parcells lead.

Never been a good 5-11 football team. You are what you are. Acceptance is the only barrier to reality.

Good thing every year is a blank slate

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Good thing every year is a blank slate

Yup, but its also the epitome of a "show me" league.

Nobodies gonna give us credit for being better than a bad team and until we prove it to them. 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

Yup, but its also the epitome of a "show me" league.

Nobodies gonna give us credit for being better than a bad team and until we prove it to them. 

But this team is vastly different than the 2015 team, so it's hardly even worth calling them a bad team until we see them take the field in week one.

[rmcjacket23]

On ‎8‎/‎31‎/‎2016 at 9:31 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

But this team is vastly different than the 2015 team, so it's hardly even worth calling them a bad team until we see them take the field in week one.

More in reference to the 2015 team, of which we are talking about trading the backup (who wasn't even one of the first two backups) to another team as if other teams value him enough to trade for him.

Nothing has changed on his perception since then (unless it went down during the preseason), so its the same basis as 2015.

 

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, rmcjacket23 said:

More in reference to the 2015 team, of which we are talking about trading the backup (who wasn't even one of the first two backups) to another team as if other teams value him enough to trade for him.

Nothing has changed on his perception since then (unless it went down during the preseason), so its the same basis as 2015.

Plus, while educated fans would agree your premise, the general public is not. As such, they don't really care about how different a team looks on paper. All they remember is the last thing they saw.

I still don't view this as a bad team, or even really a good team, until I see them play week one. I have silent optimism, but we'll see come 9/11.

However, I don't think Mallett is worth trading for. Teams saw what he could do with the Texans (not much) and what he did with the Ravens (not much). Although, this is the same league where Kevin Kolb got traded for a 2nd rounder and DRC...

[rmw10]

Bad team, good team, whatever the case... there's probably not much, if any, trade value in either Mallett or Johnson.  I'd be shocked if Mallett wasn't the backup come Saturday with Johnson being available on the open market.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I still don't view this as a bad team, or even really a good team, until I see them play week one. I have silent optimism, but we'll see come 9/11.

However, I don't think Mallett is worth trading for. Teams saw what he could do with the Texans (not much) and what he did with the Ravens (not much). Although, this is the same league where Kevin Kolb got traded for a 2nd rounder and DRC...

Neither do I, but if I'm a team looking to trade for Mallett, that's partially how I would think.

I'd look at what happened:

1. I'd see a guy who was cut last season by the Texans, signed later by the Ravens, and had an average couple of games as a stater. 

2. I'd see a guy who, according to the HC of the team he currently plays on, is competing with the epitome of a journeyman who hasn't played in a game in two years and hasn't started one in five for the backup QB job... and somewhat appears to be losing that battle.

I'd take that, among other factors, stir it around, and I don't see how I end up spitting out "give up a draft pick" for this guy.

Just seems like a standard case of Ravens fans thinking that our depth is so good that other teams would trade for it, despite that not barely ever happening.

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Just seems like a standard case of Ravens fans thinking that our depth is so good that other teams would trade for it, despite that not barely ever happening.

The Patriots got a conditional sixth or seventh rounder for him and that's where I'd see the return for the Ravens. Is it worth trading a backup who has a similar play-style to your own QB for a future player who probably won't make the roster? Probably not.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If we could trade either one I'd be happy to do so, because I dont see us keeping 3 QBs and quite frankly I'd be more than happy with either Mallett or Johnson as our backup, because if Joe goes down we're screwed anyways... though I do have confidence that either could potentially close out a half if we're ahead or keep the ship afloat for a couple weeks if needed.

Doubtful the market brings much for either. Though both have been impressive this offseason, the NFL has seen Mallett impress almost every offseason only to flash his true colors when thrust into a starting role. And, while Josh Johnson has been fun to watch - outside of putting a defense off after coming in the game for a traditional pocket passer i dont think he will have much success either. Gameplan for him, get some tape on him, and i dont think he'll look anywhere near as good.

But, that said - we're cutting one anyways most likely. If Dallas or the Vikings want to throw a conditional 6th or 7th our way to bring one in to compete for a job, so be it. Just not holding my breath for it.

[ellicottraven]

Right now I would say we have some leverage. I say trade one that any other team may want (Vikings?) for a draft pick and keep the other. Either one will be adequate, no make it decent. I don't believe Flacco is going to miss another game for a few more years anyway. But if bad luck strikes again, I'll be comfortable with either Ryan or Josh substituting. This is a great problem to have.