[News] Late For Work 8/25: On Same Day Devin Hester Asks Teams To Call, Ravens Say Returner Job Is Open

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  43 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

  7 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

just curious,but if a guy takes your jersey,doesn't that mean he shut you down? like a notch on your gun belt? he ain't gettin my jersey unless he proves he can own it! dudes stupid.

I dunno why all the hatred for slay here, it strikes me as a respectful kind of gesture one where rivalries end at the end of a game and respect takes over from there. I'm pretty sure it's not a notch thing.

Wanting a guys jersey is not disrespect but of high respect! It could be the same to wear some body elses number? Then also it could be question who are the other jerseys that he possess? Then we could take it from there?

Besides I have seen them switch jerseys at he end of the game.

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  3 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Seriously how can Ray Lewis condone smoking by posing with a cigar on the cover of a magazine? I thought he had more self-respect than that.

Also to SSSR. DO NOT GIVE THIS MAN OR ANY, YOUR JERSEY. There is a gift store where he can go buy one like every other fan out there. It does really make you wonder his true intentions in this crazy world we live in.

The magazine is titled "cigar aficionado", so smoking a cigar would probably not be considered abnormal. By the way, last I heard cigars are still legal, so what's the big deal if ray wants to smoke one occasionally? I love it when people try to shove their morality down other peoples throats...let other's live the lifestyle they want, not how you think they should live.

I dont see him smoking I see him holding a cigar while it smokes?

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  3 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Seriously how can Ray Lewis condone smoking by posing with a cigar on the cover of a magazine? I thought he had more self-respect than that.

Also to SSSR. DO NOT GIVE THIS MAN OR ANY, YOUR JERSEY. There is a gift store where he can go buy one like every other fan out there. It does really make you wonder his true intentions in this crazy world we live in.

The magazine is titled "cigar aficionado", so smoking a cigar would probably not be considered abnormal. By the way, last I heard cigars are still legal, so what's the big deal if ray wants to smoke one occasionally? I love it when people try to shove their morality down other peoples throats...let other's live the lifestyle they want, not how you think they should live.

Moreover you just believe there is a price quoted some where during this exchange r perhaps the price is a given. I sure would like to have an original authentic?

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I would love to get Hester to boost our special teams but that would mean we would have to keep 7 recievers SSS, Aiken, Perriman, Moore, Wallace, Campanaro, and Hester. That's a lot of speedy recievers in there. ?

I feel you! We got the money, I think e got the room for real! They talking crap! That would just make people very scared with all that speed lined up all the time? DBs would get very exhausted chasing these suckers down the field on consecutive flights? WHATS IIN YOUR WALLACE?????????

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  7 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

Hester thanks for the offer but no thanks. We'll fair catch every punt and drive down the field!

I know your being absolutely sarcastic about this but in all honesty, I'd take that proposal over what we had last year. I wouldn't mind fair catching every punt if it means we don't fumble any of them or have penalties move us back some lol

Come on folks! Jacoby Jones was not an every series receiver and was only brought in on special occasions? And did well in this role? But you have to say his most valued asset was kick off ?

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  7 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

I honestly can't think of one single realistic reason for even entertaining the idea of reaching out for Hester...

Really. Not even one? Maybe let's say because he's better than anyone we have on the roster.....

the only question here is "how much better" and "what do we have to give up"

 

much better and ozzie can think of something. Before this year started we had no money and now we have more than enough? come on it can be done?

[RICEBOYRAVENNC]

  4 hours ago, designermaryland said:

Since Campanaro is always getting injured at WR, maybe reserve his role to ONLY returner and very limited offensive snaps until he can improve durability. There has to be someone among the other remaining receivers and DBs who can field a punt and run a few yards and fall down if he goes down.

From a coaching perspective, if a guy is healthy and available to go, then I am going to use him in whatever capacity I think helps the team win. I'm not going to use this player only for punt returns when he can help move the chains on 3rd down and really improve our offense because his durability is a question.

I have been watching Campanaro fo r a while and he is just like luke warm water! we he is healthy he is the BOMB! But this bomb seems to have a short fuse and does minimal damage. He is better than Edleman. Straight up but he cant stay on the freakin field is like not having him at all?

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  7 hours ago, dirtybird66 said:

just curious,but if a guy takes your jersey,doesn't that mean he shut you down? like a notch on your gun belt? he ain't gettin my jersey unless he proves he can own it! dudes stupid.

I'd be more worried about voodoo. I can just see Slay sprinkling some chicken blood over a jersey SSS has worn and uttering some chant from the Caribbean. The next thing we know SSS has both his legs fall off.

Man oh Man where do we get this stuff?

[mearzunkies]

just curious,but if a guy takes your jersey,doesn't that mean he shut you down? like a notch on your gun belt? he ain't gettin my jersey unless he proves he can own it! dudes stupid.

Smitty, that you?

[RRRRRavens]

  4 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Seriously how can Ray Lewis condone smoking by posing with a cigar on the cover of a magazine? I thought he had more self-respect than that.

Also to SSSR. DO NOT GIVE THIS MAN OR ANY, YOUR JERSEY. There is a gift store where he can go buy one like every other fan out there. It does really make you wonder his true intentions in this crazy world we live in.

The magazine is titled "cigar aficionado", so smoking a cigar would probably not be considered abnormal. By the way, last I heard cigars are still legal, so what's the big deal if ray wants to smoke one occasionally? I love it when people try to shove their morality down other peoples throats...let other's live the lifestyle they want, not how you think they should live.

I think the complaint about athletes advertising dangerous products goes to the issue of influencing our youth in bad ways. It's not a matter of illegality nor morality. Just trying to keep the kids safe from their own bad decisions influenced by adults who should know better.

[RRRRRavens]

  3 hours ago, eze17 said:

  4 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Seriously how can Ray Lewis condone smoking by posing with a cigar on the cover of a magazine? I thought he had more self-respect than that.

Also to SSSR. DO NOT GIVE THIS MAN OR ANY, YOUR JERSEY. There is a gift store where he can go buy one like every other fan out there. It does really make you wonder his true intentions in this crazy world we live in.

The magazine is titled "cigar aficionado", so smoking a cigar would probably not be considered abnormal. By the way, last I heard cigars are still legal, so what's the big deal if ray wants to smoke one occasionally? I love it when people try to shove their morality down other peoples throats...let other's live the lifestyle they want, not how you think they should live.

well said, eze17

Poorly said, BrewsterAZ

[billiejean]

just curious,but if a guy takes your jersey,doesn't that mean he shut you down? like a notch on your gun belt? he ain't gettin my jersey unless he proves he can own it! dudes stupid.

nah player switch and sign auto\raphas a lot after the game

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[hen826957]

"Devin Hester you are ridiculous!!!!!!!" LOL ? I would give him a call Ozzie if the special teams does not improved the next game.

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, RICEBOYRAVENNC said:

Come on folks! Jacoby Jones was not an every series receiver and was only brought in on special occasions? And did well in this role? But you have to say his most valued asset was kick off ?

Oh no please don't get me wrong. We don't win the SB without Jacoby. I'm just laughing at how miserable we were last year without him. It was so bad that I'd take fair catching every ball over that nonsense.

Just for clarity, i love me some Deven Hester and would not mind him on this squad. At the moment we have 60 guys fighting for 50 roster spots. If a few more guys go down then absolutely give him a call. We can certainly afford it cap wise. The only holdup is roster spot at the moment. 

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  14 hours ago, RICEBOYRAVENNC said:

Come on folks! Jacoby Jones was not an every series receiver and was only brought in on special occasions? And did well in this role? But you have to say his most valued asset was kick off ?

Oh no please don't get me wrong. We don't win the SB without Jacoby. I'm just laughing at how miserable we were last year without him. It was so bad that I'd take fair catching every ball over that nonsense.

Just for clarity, i love me some Deven Hester and would not mind him on this squad. At the moment we have 60 guys fighting for 50 roster spots. If a few more guys go down then absolutely give him a call. We can certainly afford it cap wise. The only holdup is roster spot at the moment. 

We weren't anything special in returns in 2013 or 2014 either, and that's when Jacoby was on the team. Very well known for bringing the ball out from deep in the end zone and not getting back to the 20 yard line frequently.

For what its worth, from a total team perspective, the difference from 2014 (with Jacoby) to 2015 (without Jacoby) on kickoffs was roughly 3 yards per kickoff. That's it. We were still 7th in the league in KO return average last season, with a bunch of nobodies doing it.

And our punt return average actually increased by 2 yards per return after Jacoby left.

If you want to get to a hard number:

For total returns (KO + Punts), Jacoby averaged 20.2 yards per return in 2014.

In 2015, combining all returners, we averaged 17.7 yards per return.

So basically, Jacoby was worth 2.5 yards per return compared to anybody else we sent out there. In 2015, we averaged roughly 4.6 returns per game, so Jacoby would have probably been worth roughly 11-12 yards per game more than his replacement.

At the cost of a couple million dollars a year difference, hard to say thats worth it.

[eze17]

  20 hours ago, eze17 said:

  21 hours ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Seriously how can Ray Lewis condone smoking by posing with a cigar on the cover of a magazine? I thought he had more self-respect than that.

Also to SSSR. DO NOT GIVE THIS MAN OR ANY, YOUR JERSEY. There is a gift store where he can go buy one like every other fan out there. It does really make you wonder his true intentions in this crazy world we live in.

The magazine is titled "cigar aficionado", so smoking a cigar would probably not be considered abnormal. By the way, last I heard cigars are still legal, so what's the big deal if ray wants to smoke one occasionally? I love it when people try to shove their morality down other peoples throats...let other's live the lifestyle they want, not how you think they should live.

I think the complaint about athletes advertising dangerous products goes to the issue of influencing our youth in bad ways. It's not a matter of illegality nor morality. Just trying to keep the kids safe from their own bad decisions influenced by adults who should know better.

If a professional athlete is your child's role model, your not doing a good job of parenting. I love it how people think famous people have some kind of responsibility to behave in a manner different then the rest of society. They're normal people; they have faults like everyone else. To subject some people to a different standard is both ludicrious and unreasonable. If Ray Lewis want's to smoke a cigar every now and then, it's his right as an individual, not to be decided by some moralizing(and yes, you ARE moralizing a specific behavior)better-than-thou pontificator who wants to judge people by how they believe they should act. You want to keep kid's safe, volunteer your time to helping them; don't expect others to conform to your version of how society should act.

[Halshayeji]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

We weren't anything special in returns in 2013 or 2014 either, and that's when Jacoby was on the team. Very well known for bringing the ball out from deep in the end zone and not getting back to the 20 yard line frequently.

For what its worth, from a total team perspective, the difference from 2014 (with Jacoby) to 2015 (without Jacoby) on kickoffs was roughly 3 yards per kickoff. That's it. We were still 7th in the league in KO return average last season, with a bunch of nobodies doing it.

And our punt return average actually increased by 2 yards per return after Jacoby left.

If you want to get to a hard number:

For total returns (KO + Punts), Jacoby averaged 20.2 yards per return in 2014.

In 2015, combining all returners, we averaged 17.7 yards per return.

So basically, Jacoby was worth 2.5 yards per return compared to anybody else we sent out there. In 2015, we averaged roughly 4.6 returns per game, so Jacoby would have probably been worth roughly 11-12 yards per game more than his replacement.

At the cost of a couple million dollars a year difference, hard to say thats worth it.

I get what your saying but it's not fair to compare Jacobys worst season (2014) id like to see 2012 and 2013 stats if you can access them. 

I'd also like to note that teams regularly punt away from Jacoby or literally kicked it high and short to ensure no return. So if we can see the net kicks against us that would be a better indicator.

last year and during this offseason we muffed a few punts. That doesn't show on the stat card but avoiding that is much more important than a few yards here or there. A specialist is supposed to ensure that doesn't happen.

last but not least, money is not the issue here. We have like 11 mil to spend. And Hester is even better than Jacoby ever was.

i we were backed by the cap I'd agree but since we're not the. Having a specialist returner is definitely an option. 

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9 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

I get what your saying but it's not fair to compare Jacobys worst season (2014) id like to see 2012 and 2013 stats if you can access them. 

I'd also like to note that teams regularly punt away from Jacoby or literally kicked it high and short to ensure no return. So if we can see the net kicks against us that would be a better indicator.

last year and during this offseason we muffed a few punts. That doesn't show on the stat card but avoiding that is much more important than a few yards here or there. A specialist is supposed to ensure that doesn't happen.

last but not least, money is not the issue here. We have like 11 mil to spend. And Hester is even better than Jacoby ever was.

i we were backed by the cap I'd agree but since we're not the. Having a specialist returner is definitely an option. 

1. The main reason I picked 2014 is because it was the most recent season (much more likely the kind of player you would get) AND there's no significant difference between any of the three years.

In fact... 2012 and 2014 were basically the same. Jacoby average 20.1 yards per return in 2012, practically identical to 2014. The average sample over the three year period is very, very close to the 2014 numbers.

And that's the kicker here... the perception of Jacoby as a much better returner than basically an average returner is ENTIRELY based on TDs, which isn't sustainable (as we found out). He had four return TDs in 2012, and only had one each season in 2013 and 2014, which is much more normalized for a returner. And as an aside, we still had a punt return TD last season, so the TDs scored off returns was the same in 2015 as it was in 2014 and 2013. 

2. There's really no basis for saying that teams kick away from him. On kickoffs, there's really no such thing as kicking away from a guy, unless you're putting it through the endzone. Teams don't kick short like that very often, and they certainly didn't in 2013 or 2014.

3. Jacoby muffed punts as well (he lost two fumbles in 2014 alone). He also made some really poor decisions later in his career, specifically on thinking that everytime he caught the ball he had to bring it out. A specialist should assure that doesn't happen as well.

4. The other elephant in the room is 2015, when Jacoby was employed. He was horrible.

With two different teams, he had 11 punt returns for a TOTAL of 15 yards, AND he fumbled three times in Pittsburgh.

5. As far as Hester, lets look closer at him too...

In his last two years in Atlanta, he's averaged 20.5 yards per return... basically the same as Jacoby. He has as many turnovers as he does TDs, which is one. He has not returned multiple kicks for a TD in any season since 2011, and has 2 TDs and 2 turnovers on returns in his last 52 games.

What exactly is the difference between him and Jacoby at this point? O, and there's one other MAJOR factor... he's not healthy. If we brought him in today, he wouldn't even be on the field. 

6. Cap isn't everything. Just because you have the cap space doesn't mean you just spend it willy nilly. There's also cash implications, which is money get taken straight out of Bischotti's pocket to spend on a player who we pretty much know isn't that much better than anybody we had last season. So how do you walk up to the owner and ask him to spend $1-2M on a player, while simultaneously telling him that he doesn't offer much more added value than a guy you're already paying half as much to?

Just not good business practice there, regardless of industry.