Joey Bosa

[Cville-Raven]

The Chargers have to be one of the lousiest run teams in the league. 

[Moderator 3]

Nothing like going public with negotiations, especially announcing they're now going to get even cheaper. Ugh!

[Cville-Raven]

1 minute ago, Moderator 3 said:

Nothing like going public with negotiations, especially announcing they're now going to get even cheaper. Ugh!

Yup, this is totally irreparable to any future relationship between Bosa and the Chargers. I definitely think he re-enters the draft unless something drastic happens between the two sides before the season. 

[rmw10]

I wouldn't even sign with the Chargers at this point if I'm Bosa.  Going public was an awful decision.  The casual fan sees that statement and they paint Bosa as the bad guy because they see a ton of money.  What they don't know is that SD allegedly wants to push that signing bonus payment until 2017.  Funny how the Chargers conveniently left that out.  They want offset language and deferments.

[Moderator 3]

Agent's response in ....

[BmoreBird22]

I really do think Bosa is the bad guy here.

So, the Chargers want to make Bosa the highest paid rookie THIS year, outside of Carson Wentz. So, give he'll have a split signing bonus, that means it'll have to be a massive bonus AND a massive first year salary. 

The Chargers also aren't really don't something asinine here by wanting to split it up between two seasons. I think it has something to do with taxes or something or another (negligible, really), but that's neither here nor there. What gets me is that the signing bonus for these players, I believe, is broken up into installments over the course of the season. However, this would be half the amount. Then, the other half would come in March when the new league year starts fiscally, a whole two months after the end of the season and his last paycheck (assuming he doesn't go to the Super Bowl). 

So, let me get this straight- the Chargers are probably going to pay him out probably $10M from September until January, but he's unhappy about waiting two months for the rest of his signing bonus, which will come in one massive check, not broken into payments.

What a little egomaniacal punk. 

I'm not even saying the Chargers are handling this right by going public (I actually DESPISE this move), but at the same time, they're offering to up the signing bonus to be the most in the class and bump his base salary up, but he's not happy with that because he has to wait a whole two more months for his next $10M? I mean, really? How much are you going to spend between September and March that you need it all over the course of the season? 

That's what baffles me- this kid is going to get a life changing amount of money over the course of the season even if it's broken into two and he's unhappy about this? 

[allblackraven]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I really do think Bosa is the bad guy here.

So, the Chargers want to make Bosa the highest paid rookie THIS year, outside of Carson Wentz. So, give he'll have a split signing bonus, that means it'll have to be a massive bonus AND a massive first year salary. 

The Chargers also aren't really don't something asinine here by wanting to split it up between two seasons. I think it has something to do with taxes or something or another (negligible, really), but that's neither here nor there. What gets me is that the signing bonus for these players, I believe, is broken up into installments over the course of the season. However, this would be half the amount. Then, the other half would come in March when the new league year starts fiscally, a whole two months after the end of the season and his last paycheck (assuming he doesn't go to the Super Bowl). 

So, let me get this straight- the Chargers are probably going to pay him out probably $10M from September until January, but he's unhappy about waiting two months for the rest of his signing bonus, which will come in one massive check, not broken into payments.

What a little egomaniacal punk. 

I'm not even saying the Chargers are handling this right by going public (I actually DESPISE this move), but at the same time, they're offering to up the signing bonus to be the most in the class and bump his base salary up, but he's not happy with that because he has to wait a whole two more months for his next $10M? I mean, really? How much are you going to spend between September and March that you need it all over the course of the season? 

That's what baffles me- this kid is going to get a life changing amount of money over the course of the season even if it's broken into two and he's unhappy about this? 

I'm with you on this 100%.

None of these kids get stifled for money, all they need to be concerned with is how do they actually earn that. 

[FerrariFan87]

All I can say is that I'm glad he's the Chargers' headache and not ours.

[PolishRifle]

3 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

The Chargers have to be one of the lousiest run teams in the league. 

The team, that fired Schottenheimer after a 14-2 season? The organization, that has wasted Rivers carreer? No way!

[TheRavenouseD2008]

Bosa re-enters the draft  finds himself now an UFA ends up in canadian football......... where bacon is round

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

I'm with you on this 100%.

None of these kids get stifled for money, all they need to be concerned with is how do they actually earn that. 

I understand you're wanting to get your tens of millions up front, but what in the NFL have you done to actually prove you're worth it? 

Right now, he's only hurting himself.

[JO_75]

The Chargers messed up going public putting out a terrible PR statement. Regardless of how you feel about this being Bosa's fault, this is soley on the Chargers plain and simple. 

I'm really surprised Rivers has never asked or demanded a trade at any point after firing Marty. They killed his chance of getting any Super Bowl ring. 

[Willbacker]

Stubborness. On both sides. Ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't get my wish. I would have been very happy for us to draft him. smh.

[52520Andrew]

5 hours ago, rmw10 said:

The Chargers issued a public statement on the negotiations...

 

I can't understand why he doesn't want to sign there... (sarcasm)?  The money is fine but note how the Chargers said nothing about deferments and offsets, which is the real hold up here.  I'm starting to see why so many players dislike SD.

After what they did to Weddle, hard for me to take their side in any of these situations. 

[rmw10]

25 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

After what they did to Weddle, hard for me to take their side in any of these situations. 

Yep.  Not like this is their first rodeo.  They've had quite a few holdouts over the years.

[BmoreBird22]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Yep.  Not like this is their first rodeo.  They've had quite a few holdouts over the years.

How many to this extent since the new CBA?

[K-Dog]

Yeah so I doubt Bosa plays a single snap this season.
Any chance I am wrong?

I don't think I am.

[rmw10]

19 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

How many to this extent since the new CBA?

None, but also the highest they've picked since then.

[BmoreBird22]

I think the big elephant in the room for me is that Bosa isn't even considering what happens if he sits out. He probably isn't anywhere near football shape and will have not played a snap for over an entire year if he doesn't sign with the Chargers. 

Couple that with the fact that he has this extremely long holdout on his resume and I highly doubt he gets drafted in the top half of the first round again.

Let's imagine for a minute that he goes in the second. All of a sudden his signing bonus will be a fraction of the $17M they're offering, and he likely will not make the $8.5M or what ever they want to offer him for this year as a signing bonus. Also, his base salaries will be drastically lower.

Like, is he really taking into account what could happen to him if he doesn't sign? Is he really thinking about all the money he could lose?

Hell, maybe he doesn't want to play for the Chargers and he's willing to take the pay cut, but going off how he's acting in these negotiations, he's not going to be happy if he drops drastically in the draft. At this point, if he really will not sign with SD, the best he can hope for is a trade.

Oh, and for those using Schottenheimer as an example of the Chargers messing up, consider a few things. He was 0-2 in the playoffs with SD; 5-13 for his career. He had made the playoffs in two of four years and earned the number one overall pick to even get Phillip Rivers. The Denver Broncos fired John Fox after he won the AFCW four straight years because he couldn't get over the hump (and it worked out the very next year). Schottenheimer had four coaches leave for promotions, so the continuity was gone and there may have been a very good chance he doesn't even do well without his assistants. I know it's a bit deeper than all of that, but it's not some insane move when you think about it because it's been done before.

Oh, and while I HATE the Chargers going public about the negotiations, Bosa's camp didn't dispute the numbers, so they're likely true and the Chargers probably want people off their backs.

[JO_75]

5 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

None, but also the highest they've picked since then.

Yeah this was their highest pick since the 2004 Draft where the infamous Eli/Rivers Trade happened. First under the new CBA and something we have never seen from other teams and top picks before. So the fact the other teams who have picked in the top 3, Top 5, Top 10 have not had an issue with a situation like this in the past says everything. 

Chargers wasted a pick at this point and it does seem we can start adding Joey Bosa into 2017 Mock Drafts.

[ravensdan]

8 hours ago, rmw10 said:

The Chargers issued a public statement on the negotiations...

 

I can't understand why he doesn't want to sign there... (sarcasm)?  The money is fine but note how the Chargers said nothing about deferments and offsets, which is the real hold up here.  I'm starting to see why so many players dislike SD.

Nice public slam of the player. Great negotiating tactic there. 

[ravensdan]

2 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Stubborness. On both sides. Ridiculous. I'm glad I didn't get my wish. I would have been very happy for us to draft him. smh.

This would never happen here. Ravens aren't this kind of organization. 

[52520Andrew]

I don't really think there is a side to take in all of this. Both sides are being rather dumb coming to this over some offset money. 

I mean the Chargers just invested the #3 overall pick in this guy, you can't give him some leeway over money he was going to get anyways? And they may have damaged their relationship to the point of no return. I mean imagine getting the chance to bring in someone who could really help change things and then get in an arguement over something as insignificant as this. There is a reason teams like this rarely find success. 

As for Bosa, all he is doing is lowering the amount of money he is getting. He isn't getting taken at #3 next year and he wouldn't get that money till next year anyways so he is hurting himself as well. Furthermore, this hurts the relationship that he would have with the Chargers. According to sources at the time, Bosa talked to the owner of the Chargers quite a bit leading up to the draft so you would think they would have already had this sort of thing figured out for the most part.

TL;DR:

Both sides are acting like 5 year olds and hurting themselves over something pretty insignificant.

[allblackraven]

Chargers pissed they screwed up and left Ron Stanley on the board. Bosa pissed they stole him from Cowboys. That's all there is to it.

[lgcs27288]

This reminds me a lot of the Crabtree situation. One side will eventually give in, there's just too much at stake.

[sflegend89]

I think on draft night just about all of us would've swapped Stanley for Bosa in a heartbeat. Now... I'm glad things played out like they did.

Bosa may be partly in the right as far as financials but after comments made by his family it's clear that he isn't very grateful and only wanted to play for certain teams. Had we drafted him who's to say he wouldn't have held out on us or jumped ship the second his rookie deal was up. I still think he'll be a hell of a player but will have tons of baggage.

 

Stanley is a great kid, he's a team guy, grateful for the opportunity, excited about playing here. Not only that but Monroe had one foot out the door, his heart wasn't in the game anymore if he was already thinking retirement at his age. I'm thrilled to get Stanley where we did in hindsight.

[Cillmatic]

It's not Bosa, it's the sorry excuse of a front office that the Chargers have and their inept PR team trying to shame him on social media.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Cillmatic

[Inqui]

We dodged a bullet because our FO doesn't mind making a few minor concessions for the players. If we'd taken Bosa he'd have suited up for us already.

(Also, in before the merge)

Edited August 25, 2016 by Inqui

[CalvinSmoke]

The Chargers and Bosa look bad there... 

[sflegend89]

Financials aside I'm glad we didn't draft him. Seems like the type of guy who would leave after his rookie contract to go play in a big market. 

I think he's a very good football player but he has an ego and entitlement issue with where he wants to play (as displayed by his mom's comments). If her son was happy and excited to be in SD I highly doubt she would've made that comment, sound to me like Joey privately expressed his frustration with his family and they in turn are upset because he's upset.