Joey Bosa

[ravensdan]

.... Maybe he just doesn't want to go to LA

[K-Dog]

So what happens....
If he doesn't sign that is ?  Refuses.
Chargers are out a first round pick, I can think of worse things to have happen. 
What are the consequences for Bosa? No money, no job, that is pretty bad, but again I can think of worse.  
At what point can another team make an offer if that point even exists ?
Can a rookie refuse to play for the team that has drafted him ?

[JO_75]

2 hours ago, K-Dog said:

So what happens....
If he doesn't sign that is ?  Refuses.
Chargers are out a first round pick, I can think of worse things to have happen. 
What are the consequences for Bosa? No money, no job, that is pretty bad, but again I can think of worse.  
At what point can another team make an offer if that point even exists ?
Can a rookie refuse to play for the team that has drafted him ?

Guessing he can pull an Elway/Eli and get his agent to see about a trade? 

[berad]

12 hours ago, K-Dog said:

So what happens....
If he doesn't sign that is ?  Refuses.
Chargers are out a first round pick, I can think of worse things to have happen. 
What are the consequences for Bosa? No money, no job, that is pretty bad, but again I can think of worse.  
At what point can another team make an offer if that point even exists ?
Can a rookie refuse to play for the team that has drafted him ?

Yes, they can refuse and it has happened before. Jim Kelly did NOT want to be drafted by the Bills but, when he was, they owned his rights. He spent some time in another, competing league (AFL?) before that folded and he went to the league.

Bo Jackson was drafted by Bucs in 1986 but told them he wouldn't play for them. They forfeited his rights and he was drafted by the Raiders the year after. Of course, he was playing baseball during that time as well.

So, TLDR, they'll own Bosa's rights and if they can't agree they'll most likely see a trade (like Elway with the Colts and Eli with the Chargers)

[The Mom Gene]

This is all ego for this guy.  I cannot imagine his agent condoning this.  Wouldn't you believe he would try and talk some sense into this kid?  If it had to do with it just being San Diego, I could see it.  But I cannot imagine that at all.  They're a pretty decent team.  I mean it's not like it's the Browns.

[52520Andrew]

21 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Glad to hear a lot more people reasonably not bashing the player. Since the new cba 19 of 24 top 5 picks have either the offset or the up front bonus money. Bosa rightfully standing up to a poor organization. 

Yeah after what the Chargers did to Weddle, hard for me to give their FO the benefit of the doubt here. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Joey Bosa still haven't touched the field yet.   

What a mess Chargers are in

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Joey Bosa still haven't touched the field yet.   

What a mess Chargers are in

I am so disappointed in bosa, he's being so stupid and unreasonable and I thought he was a slam dunk pick worthy of first overall 

[Purple Punishment]

Dude is missing TC, he thinks he's the next Von Miller or something? All for self. Sign your deal rook and go get pancaked by King Dunlap

[Jacquouille]

Jamarcus Bosa.

[ravensdan]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I am so disappointed in bosa, he's being so stupid and unreasonable and I thought he was a slam dunk pick worthy of first overall 

Actually it's the Chargers front office being unreasonable. 19 of the last 24 top 5 picks since the new agreement have gotten what bosa is asking. The Chargers are a bad organization. Nothing new. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, ravensdan said:

Actually it's the Chargers front office being unreasonable. 19 of the last 24 top 5 picks since the new agreement have gotten what bosa is asking. The Chargers are a bad organization. Nothing new. 

Isn't bosa asking for more guaranteed than 3rd overall is slotted to make?

[ravensdan]

4 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Isn't bosa asking for more guaranteed than 3rd overall is slotted to make?

That's the misconception that was floating around. They are negotiating off sets or up front pay out of bonus. Bosa will take one or the other ( of which 19 of the 24 previous top 5 picks have gotten). Chargers are holding on to both based on their team precedent only. 

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

That's the misconception that was floating around. They are negotiating off sets or up front pay out of bonus. Bosa will take one or the other ( of which 19 of the 24 previous top 5 picks have gotten). Chargers are holding on to both based on their team precedent only. 

If 19 of the last 24 got on or the other then it's not sd setting the precedent with bosa

[ravensdan]

3 hours ago, Tiznut said:

If 19 of the last 24 got on or the other then it's not sd setting the precedent with bosa

The precedent is set with those guys. Chargers haven't picked in the top 5 and are being contrary. I'm not sure why so many have the natural reaction to jump on players and take teams side. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

5 hours ago, ravensdan said:

That's the misconception that was floating around. They are negotiating off sets or up front pay out of bonus. Bosa will take one or the other ( of which 19 of the 24 previous top 5 picks have gotten). Chargers are holding on to both based on their team precedent only. 

 

From what I've read in NFL.com(and I'll find it if i need to)

Bosa wants ton of guaranteed money.   Typical rookie contracts are typically standard and structured in similar guidelines.   Bosa wants a 'manziel proof' contract to will offer him money even if he goes out of the rail.   

Its not misconception, Bosa is the one being unreasonable

[Tiznut]

18 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

The precedent is set with those guys. Chargers haven't picked in the top 5 and are being contrary. I'm not sure why so many have the natural reaction to jump on players and take teams side. 

As opposed to the natural reaction to side with the player?

 

but back to who set the precedent. Again if 19 of 24 top 5 picks have faced this same type of issue then it's not a precedent being set by the Chargers. 

[GrimCoconut]

SD, you know you wanna trade him to us for Arthur Brown. 

[ravensdan]

16 minutes ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

From what I've read in NFL.com(and I'll find it if i need to)

Bosa wants ton of guaranteed money.   Typical rookie contracts are typically standard and structured in similar guidelines.   Bosa wants a 'manziel proof' contract to will offer him money even if he goes out of the rail.   

Its not misconception, Bosa is the one being unreasonable

 

Posted Monday at 01:53 PM · 

It seems that Bosa & The Chargers haven't talked since last Thursday. PFT says the sticking points remain a fully guaranteed contract with offset language and whether his bonus will be paid in full this year. The Chargers want offset language and a deferral of a significant portion of his signing bonus into next year. Thing is Bosa would accept either one, and he's been willing to take one since May.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/01/bosa-chargers-havent-talked-since-thursday/

This whole thing is on the Chargers themselves not Bosa for wanting to be cheap.

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[K-Dog]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

SD, you know you wanna trade him to us for Arthur Brown. 

Works for me.

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Works for me.

We can even throw in Elam so they can replace Weddle.  Fair, right? Lol.  

[ravensdan]

5 minutes ago, Tiznut said:

As opposed to the natural reaction to side with the player?

 

but back to who set the precedent. Again if 19 of 24 top 5 picks have faced this same type of issue then it's not a precedent being set by the Chargers. 

Why not side with the player?  When teams negotiate their being shrewd but players are selfish?  No it's s business negotiation. 

 

So so why should he let the Chargers be an exception with a clear precedent set in these matters. ?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

This is Joey Bosa singing this song. That is extremely lame. He's one of the ones who actually thinks he's awesome. The Chargers don't want to play him too much money. That is extremely lame. 

[BmoreBird22]

The thing with Bosa is that he's only hurting himself. 

NFL vets who hold out often face a curve to getting back to football shape. What's it going to be like for a rookie?

[Ravenseconbeast]

25 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

 

Posted Monday at 01:53 PM · 

It seems that Bosa & The Chargers haven't talked since last Thursday. PFT says the sticking points remain a fully guaranteed contract with offset language and whether his bonus will be paid in full this year. The Chargers want offset language and a deferral of a significant portion of his signing bonus into next year. Thing is Bosa would accept either one, and he's been willing to take one since May.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/01/bosa-chargers-havent-talked-since-thursday/

This whole thing is on the Chargers themselves not Bosa for wanting to be cheap.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/chargers-star-rookie-joey-bosa-142341688.html

I think this article gives a more specifics of the detail:

"Bosa is holding out over two seemingly small contract details: offset language and the deferred payment of a signing bonus.

Offset language is a detail unlikely to affect a player of Bosa's stature. With offset language, if a team were to release a player before his rookie contract is up, the team would not have to pay the remainder of that player's contract if he were to sign with another team.

According to ESPN, the deferred bonus payment is the bigger issue. The Chargers traditionally defer or extend the payment of a signing bonus over the course of a rookie contract, but Bosa reportedly wants more money upfront.

According to ProFootball Talk's Mike Florio, the Chargers allegedly find Bosa's holdout "strange" and now it's beginning to get intense. Chargers GM Tom Telesco commented on the holdout and seemed to suggest that Bosa is fighting the way the Chargers traditionally do things.

"It really just comes down to generally this — there's some things that are negotiable, and money always is negotiable, obviously — but there's certain things in contracts language-wise, whether you're picked third, 33rd or 203rd, there's certain things of consistency and doing things the same way for everyone on the team."

 

 

Take it for what its worth.

[Willbacker]

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 8:57 PM, K-Dog said:

So what happens....
If he doesn't sign that is ?  Refuses.
Chargers are out a first round pick, I can think of worse things to have happen. 
What are the consequences for Bosa? No money, no job, that is pretty bad, but again I can think of worse.  
At what point can another team make an offer if that point even exists ?
Can a rookie refuse to play for the team that has drafted him ?

I believe he can sit out the year and reenter the draft next year but he's not going to get drafted 3rd that's for sure. Not sure if the Chargers would get compensated tho.

[Willbacker]

On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 9:37 AM, berad said:

Yes, they can refuse and it has happened before. Jim Kelly did NOT want to be drafted by the Bills but, when he was, they owned his rights. He spent some time in another, competing league (AFL?) before that folded and he went to the league.

Bo Jackson was drafted by Bucs in 1986 but told them he wouldn't play for them. They forfeited his rights and he was drafted by the Raiders the year after. Of course, he was playing baseball during that time as well.

So, TLDR, they'll own Bosa's rights and if they can't agree they'll most likely see a trade (like Elway with the Colts and Eli with the Chargers)

USFL bro. Houston Gamblers. I believe he played there until the league folded and had nowhere else to go. Now I'm wondering if I'm correct on my previus post lol.

[balfan23]

Just glad this isn't happening to us ... 

[Inqui]

4 hours ago, balfan23 said:

Just glad this isn't happening to us ... 

If 19 of the 24 previous top five rookies have been given one of the things Bosa's after, I'd say it's a good bet Stanley has one of the terms and therefore this wouldn't be happening to us even if we'd taken Bosa.

[Rav'n Maniac]

9 hours ago, Inqui said:

If 19 of the 24 previous top five rookies have been given one of the things Bosa's after, I'd say it's a good bet Stanley has one of the terms and therefore this wouldn't be happening to us even if we'd taken Bosa.

Exactly right. With us he wouldn't have to wait until year 2 to receive the larger portion of his bonus. He would see it in full this year, just as Stanley will.