Joey Bosa

[rayven98]

I'm so glad this guy didn't fall to us.  Holding out when your salary is scheduled is just insane.  Especially when he will have to learn a new position (as he would have here.)  I can't imagine the reception when he does sign will be a warm one.

[ravensdan]

24 minutes ago, rayven98 said:

I'm so glad this guy didn't fall to us.  Holding out when your salary is scheduled is just insane.  Especially when he will have to learn a new position (as he would have here.)  I can't imagine the reception when he does sign will be a warm one.

Why hold it against a player for strong negotiating?  It's a business negotiation. Only the front office is allowed to negotiate?   

[ludy51]

I agree with the OP but shouldn't this be in the "other teams" section 

[Tiznut]

Yeah I think it's nuts. I applaud sd for not budging. 

 

[ludy51]

Just now, ravensdan said:

Why hold it against a player for strong negotiating?  It's a business negotiation. Only the front office is allowed to negotiate?   

What does he have to negotiate with? He's done nothing to earn leverage

[-Truth-]

Not certain whether this thread belongs in another section. In either case, it's somewhat too early to be elated that he didn't become a Raven.

[ravensdan]

5 minutes ago, ludy51 said:

What does he have to negotiate with? He's done nothing to earn leverage

I don't get the anti player sentiment in these negotiations.  He certainly has a right to try to get the best deal he can. This is about off set language. I don't understand why this. Contract situation would make someone not want him as a raven?

Edited July 30, 2016 by ravensdan

[rayven98]

I've watched him play in the Big 10 last few years being from the Midwest and I think he's a good player...at defensive end.  I'm not sure he's athletic enough to play OLB or big enough to play DE in a 3-4.  He already knows how much money he's getting there is nothing at all to negotiate.  After reading what is going on the offset language protects the team from him getting himself cut after year 3 and then signing a big deal with another team.  If there was no offset language he could do something to force the chargers to cut him and they would still have to pay him. 

[K-Dog]

Yeah, it is pretty arrogant of him.

I hope SD stands firm.

[Tiznut]

49 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I don't get the anti player sentiment in these negotiations.  He certainly has a right to try to get the best deal he can. This is about off set language. I don't understand why this. Contract situation would make someone not want him as a raven?

While it's obviously just my perception . It just comes across as a guy who isn't overly confident in his ability to transfer to the nfl game.   The whole thing is that he wants more money upfront and he doesn't want him being cut and picked up by a new team to count towards money being guaranteed by the rookie contract.  

 

I get that it's the only thing that can be negotiated in rookie contracts now but it just seems weird to me that a hold out happens over a guy who wants to have all his guaranteed paid by yr2 and also be able to negotiate with a new team at that point if/when he's cut by SD  

 

i I had the same vibe when Jamarcus did it in Oakland.  It makes me view it as the guy knows he's gonna bust so he wants to ensure he's paid early

 

 

 

[-Truth-]

I sincerely doubt that Bosa knows he's going to bust and is attempting to make the most he can off of his first contract. That's a significant reach in my opinion.

[Tiznut]

2 minutes ago, -Truth- said:

I sincerely doubt that Bosa knows he's going to bust and is attempting to make the most he can off of his first contract. That's a significant reach in my opinion.

Which is why my post started off with one key phrase. No one ever openly thinks they'll bust but self doubt does rear its head even for professional athletes 

[-Truth-]

2 hours ago, Tiznut said:

Which is why my post started off with one key phrase. No one ever openly thinks they'll bust but self doubt does rear its head even for professional athletes 

The post directly above my previous one begun by stating that he seems like a player who isn't confident in his abilities and then ended by stating that he's a player who knows he's going to bust in your opinion. No part of it stated or even implied that players don't openly believe that they're going to bust. In fact, it did the exact opposite. The sentiment I mentioned is a stupendous leap. The move doesn't have to be read into further than a player attempting to secure his future. That's not to say that the means aren't arguably redundant and unnecessary, and it certainly doesn't deflect the fact that he's costing himself valuable experience regardless of whether it's the right or wrong move. I sympathize with the point that finds it puzzling that the verbiage was deemed unsuitable enough for Bosa to allow the situation to leak into training camp. Hopefully Joshua Garnett signing just now puts some added pressure on getting the contract signed. That being said, going as far as doubting his confidence as to whether he'll even make it through his team-friendly rookie contract is a somewhat of a dart throw of an assessment. Too presumptuous of a claim in my eyes.

Edited July 30, 2016 by -Truth-

[RaineV1]

I think holding out on a rookie contract nowadays is kinda pointless. There's a pretty set pay range SD can give him, and the contract length is going to be 4 years with a 5th year option no matter what. So yeah, he doesn't have much leverage. What he should be doing is focusing on getting the biggest second contract. That's where guys get their money. Put in three really good years and suddenly he does have some leverage in trying to get another better contract out of SD.

[JoeyFlex5]

i dont know what hes holding out for, i mean really, the 3rd overall pick makes a slated amount, its pretty black and white. what is he trying to say 3rd overall doesnt count because 2 teams traded up to take qbs? that hes basically first overall because hes the first non qb taken? it doesnt make sense to me. 

 

disappointed for sure, i was a huge bosa fan and im not seeing any logic in it whatsoever.

[allblackraven]

Apparently, he (or his agent) wants the signing bonus all up front, not in two instalments.

Pretty unbelievable stuff, like he wants to cash out now and forget all about football in couple years. He scared maybe?

 

[ravefan52]

Both sides are being dumb. Bosa is obvious why, but the last thing the 4-12 Chargers need to do is make enemies with him, especially over something so small. In a year from now no one will even remember this though, most likely.

[ravefan52]

Also it's not about Bosa being scared, rather he just wants to be richer quicker. Still dumb of him, but I highly doubt he doesn't think he'll be successful in the NFL.

[Tru11]

5 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Why hold it against a player for strong negotiating?  It's a business negotiation. Only the front office is allowed to negotiate?   

not much to negotiate when there has been a rookie scale for some time now.

its also hard to get any leverage when you havent played a single snap in the NFL yet lol.

now if it where his 2nd contract then you would have a point.

[Tiznut]

5 hours ago, ravefan52 said:

Both sides are being dumb. Bosa is obvious why, but the last thing the 4-12 Chargers need to do is make enemies with him, especially over something so small. In a year from now no one will even remember this though, most likely.

You don't think agents will remember which teams give in to demands?

[ravensdan]

It's not a bad move for a player the chargers are counting on to try to get more guarantees up front. He's not going to miss games over this. And these type of negotiations are how standards are changed. It has nothing to do with a lack of self confidence. More likely the opposite trying to make a more financialy secure move for himself. Maybe playing a little devils advocate but why does everyone always side with the teams over the players on contracts?

[usmccharles]

Should Bosa get as much money as he can? Absolutely.  Should he be on the field learning his new teams system, his defense, his teammates, become a leader? Absolutely. 

Just keep practicing while the contract talks are going on...simple as that. 

[allblackraven]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Should Bosa get as much money as he can? Absolutely.  Should he be on the field learning his new teams system, his defense, his teammates, become a leader? Absolutely. 

Just keep practicing while the contract talks are going on...simple as that. 

I don't think he's allowed in camp if not under contract.

[JO_75]

It seems that Bosa & The Chargers haven't talked since last Thursday. PFT says the sticking points remain a fully guaranteed contract with offset language and whether his bonus will be paid in full this year. The Chargers want offset language and a deferral of a significant portion of his signing bonus into next year. Thing is Bosa would accept either one, and he's been willing to take one since May.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/08/01/bosa-chargers-havent-talked-since-thursday/

This whole thing is on the Chargers themselves not Bosa for wanting to be cheap.

[RaineV1]

I'm gonna side with Bosa after seeing that. Pretty much every top ten pick gets their signing bonus up front but the Chargers don't want to. That seems kinda odd.

[JO_75]

20 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I'm gonna side with Bosa after seeing that. Pretty much every top ten pick gets their signing bonus up front but the Chargers don't want to. That seems kinda odd.

Look at how they treat their players, look at LT when he left and Weddle can probably attest to the mismanagement of the Chargers organization as well. Horrible ownership is ruining that team. Wonder if Bosa would attempt to get a trade to a new team that would be willing to do that.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JO_75 said:

Look at how they treat their players, look at LT when he left and Weddle can probably attest to the mismanagement of the Chargers organization as well. Horrible ownership is ruining that team. Wonder if Bosa would attempt to get a trade to a new team that would be willing to do that.

He doesn't have much leverage for a trade, and the Chargers aren't going to give him up. His best option is to have some good stat years for them, and then go free agency as soon as possible.

[allblackraven]

6 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

He doesn't have much leverage for a trade, and the Chargers aren't going to give him up. His best option is to have some good stat years for them, and then go free agency as soon as possible.

Yeah, in 5, maybe 4 years.

[RaineV1]

38 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Yeah, in 5, maybe 4 years.

He could hold out and demand a trade if they try to pick up his 5th year option.

[ravensdan]

3 hours ago, JO_75 said:

Look at how they treat their players, look at LT when he left and Weddle can probably attest to the mismanagement of the Chargers organization as well. Horrible ownership is ruining that team. Wonder if Bosa would attempt to get a trade to a new team that would be willing to do that.

Glad to hear a lot more people reasonably not bashing the player. Since the new cba 19 of 24 top 5 picks have either the offset or the up front bonus money. Bosa rightfully standing up to a poor organization.