[News] Dean Pees Wants Faster Start From First-Team Defense

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The Ravens’ starting defense has given up long drives to begin each preseason game. Saturday’s contest against the Lions should give a better sense of the unit, which needs to get off to a better start than last year.

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[ravlivie]

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

[FloridalovesRavens]

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

You my friend are misguided. Don't need any changes right now. Talk about it when the games really count. Suggs and Doom will make a difference plus we will be actually game planning. Everyone wants to fire the coach. Just maybe the players are to fault. What do ya think? I am sure the defense will be up to par when the season starts.

[The Greek]

he is right about everyone needing to stay healthy and with that comes building a trust with each other but i have had my doubts with him as dc for some years now. last year he said he wanted jimmy to not play so far off his man and wanted him to play more press yet i still see jimmy playing 10-12 yards off his man. if pees runs this dc than he needs to bench jimmy until he stops playing 10 yards off. defense must be better or see you later and with frazier on board harbs will not wait too long

Edited August 24, 2016 by The Greek

[Ravenous_Ravens]

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

Strong words friend. What makes you assume that the issue is the coach? Players not being aligned correctly is a players issue. Giving away containment is also a players issue. Just remember that there are many younger players on this roster for now. There getting there first action in some cases and will make some mistakes being human. This time of year is for cleaning up those issues so they are ready for week 1.

The real sign a coach is not making the grade, is when players stop playing for their coach. I have not see that at all to this point. While I respect your perspective, I do not agree that Pees should resign. Yes Pees is a bit more conservative, but I would hazard a guess that also has to do with how much he can trust his players to get the job done in certain situations as well. As players grow and build that trust, I fully expect him to pin his ears back more often.

[steelcityraven]

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

RAVLIVIE.... I am with you.... Pees is the problem on our defense. He keeps talking about how much better our defense was in the 2nd half of the season. In the first 8 games we gave up just over 27 pts per game. In te final 8 games we gave up just over 23 pts / game.

What he don't say is that the back end of our schedule we faced some inept offenses. (Jax,Rams, Dolphins, and Browns were 4 of our final 8 games).

The browns hung more then 30 on us both times we played them. (once in the first half and 33 on us in the 2nd half of the season)

Then Bengals put up 28 on us in the first half and 24 on us in the 2nd (and I really felt like weather slowed them more then we did)

The sqeelers put up 20 on us in the 1st half and 20 on us in the 2nd half of the season!

IDK what everyone else thinks but I don't feel like we improved tremendously in the second half of the season. I think we faced worse offenses and had 5 of our last 8 games at home!

5 of last 8 games at M&T / bad weather which limits offenses and a part of our schedule where we faced weaker offenses. I think that had way more to do with our slight improvement then anything Pees did!

We still couldn't rely on our defense to stop the run or pass... to get off of the field on 3rd down or to make a play when needed. Our defense has not had the look of a feared defense since Pees has come to Baltimore and TBH - I am really tired of his excuses.

Pees says we are starting slow in the first two preseason games! Do we think that has anything to do with facing the other teams # 1 and starting QB?

I know it is preseason but I see more of the same. Long drives, dumb penalties, cant get off of the field on 3rd down. Poor pass rush (in spite of the investment we made there), Too much cushion on pass coverage, and a lack of plays being made by a talented group.

IDK but its always the same under Pees and I am afraid that nothing will change until we see our DC change! I just hope the season is not too far gone before Harbs, Ozzie, Decosta, or Mr Biscotti decides to make a move!

Pees needs to produce now of he has gotta go!

[BiggMack91]

  1 hour ago, ravlivie said:

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

RAVLIVIE.... I am with you.... Pees is the problem on our defense. He keeps talking about how much better our defense was in the 2nd half of the season. In the first 8 games we gave up just over 27 pts per game. In te final 8 games we gave up just over 23 pts / game.

What he don't say is that the back end of our schedule we faced some inept offenses. (Jax,Rams, Dolphins, and Browns were 4 of our final 8 games).

The browns hung more then 30 on us both times we played them. (once in the first half and 33 on us in the 2nd half of the season)

Then Bengals put up 28 on us in the first half and 24 on us in the 2nd (and I really felt like weather slowed them more then we did)

The sqeelers put up 20 on us in the 1st half and 20 on us in the 2nd half of the season!

IDK what everyone else thinks but I don't feel like we improved tremendously in the second half of the season. I think we faced worse offenses and had 5 of our last 8 games at home!

5 of last 8 games at M&T / bad weather which limits offenses and a part of our schedule where we faced weaker offenses. I think that had way more to do with our slight improvement then anything Pees did!

We still couldn't rely on our defense to stop the run or pass... to get off of the field on 3rd down or to make a play when needed. Our defense has not had the look of a feared defense since Pees has come to Baltimore and TBH - I am really tired of his excuses.

Pees says we are starting slow in the first two preseason games! Do we think that has anything to do with facing the other teams # 1 and starting QB?

I know it is preseason but I see more of the same. Long drives, dumb penalties, cant get off of the field on 3rd down. Poor pass rush (in spite of the investment we made there), Too much cushion on pass coverage, and a lack of plays being made by a talented group.

IDK but its always the same under Pees and I am afraid that nothing will change until we see our DC change! I just hope the season is not too far gone before Harbs, Ozzie, Decosta, or Mr Biscotti decides to make a move!

Pees needs to produce now of he has gotta go!

I couldn't agree more

[Drew P]

19 minutes ago, steelcityraven said:

RAVLIVIE.... I am with you.... Pees is the problem on our defense. He keeps talking about how much better our defense was in the 2nd half of the season. In the first 8 games we gave up just over 27 pts per game. In te final 8 games we gave up just over 23 pts / game.

What he don't say is that the back end of our schedule we faced some inept offenses. (Jax,Rams, Dolphins, and Browns were 4 of our final 8 games).

The browns hung more then 30 on us both times we played them. (once in the first half and 33 on us in the 2nd half of the season)

Then Bengals put up 28 on us in the first half and 24 on us in the 2nd (and I really felt like weather slowed them more then we did)

The sqeelers put up 20 on us in the 1st half and 20 on us in the 2nd half of the season!

IDK what everyone else thinks but I don't feel like we improved tremendously in the second half of the season. I think we faced worse offenses and had 5 of our last 8 games at home!

5 of last 8 games at M&T / bad weather which limits offenses and a part of our schedule where we faced weaker offenses. I think that had way more to do with our slight improvement then anything Pees did!

We still couldn't rely on our defense to stop the run or pass... to get off of the field on 3rd down or to make a play when needed. Our defense has not had the look of a feared defense since Pees has come to Baltimore and TBH - I am really tired of his excuses.

Pees says we are starting slow in the first two preseason games! Do we think that has anything to do with facing the other teams # 1 and starting QB?

I know it is preseason but I see more of the same. Long drives, dumb penalties, cant get off of the field on 3rd down. Poor pass rush (in spite of the investment we made there), Too much cushion on pass coverage, and a lack of plays being made by a talented group.

IDK but its always the same under Pees and I am afraid that nothing will change until we see our DC change! I just hope the season is not too far gone before Harbs, Ozzie, Decosta, or Mr Biscotti decides to make a move!

Pees needs to produce now of he has gotta go!

Yeah I like how he keeps hanging his hat on the second half of the season pass D like he had something to do with it.

Matteson 2.0 the ole 3 man rush on 3rd down

[FerrariFan87]

It's going to be weird watching the Lions and not seeing Megatron... but that should help our D get a fast start!

[Warren]

I am so tired of the excuses that this guy comes up with. If you all remember in 2012, he started the season standing on the sidelines, but because the defense was having issues with stopping the run he said he needed to go up to the booth.

His claim, at the time, was that the defense was having "alignment issues/problems" and from the booth he would be able to better see what was going on.

2015, here we go again.

During the ravens broadcast the other night I heard the announcer say that the reason Chuck Pagano was using a simplified defense is because it allows the players to play faster, and that they didn't have to think so much.

I assume Dean's defense is probably a little too complicated thus the reasons we see so many mistakes. Also I believe because his defense is so complicated it causes a lot of hesitation.

[stixfix69]

Not a fan of his schemes, so i will refrain from going into a rant....:)

[bigcatfrank1]

he is right about everyone needing to stay healthy and and with that comes building a trust with each other but i have had my doubts with him as dc for some years now. last year he said he wanted jimmy to not play so far off his man and wanted him to play more press yet i still see jimmy playing 10-12 yards off his man. if pees runs this dc than he needs to bench jimmy until he stops playing 10 yards off. defense must be better or see you later and with frazier on board harbs will not wait too long

That is absolutely true, I wonder if Jimmy plays off the receiver because he hasnt had the safety help that he needed?? I notice when Weddle is in he pushes the corners up to the line a lot. This is very important, especially if Webb, Elam and Brooks can learn to recognize the deep routes. Also the under coverage changes, Its time we see some better Pass defense all around, we have not faced the true test yet. Webb and Levine need to bump the release receiver at the line prior to the safety run/blitz cover, if its there.

[whobilly]

Not a fan of his schemes, so i will refrain from going into a rant....:)

I'm with you.

[whobilly]

It's going to be weird watching the Lions and not seeing Megatron... but that should help our D get a fast start!

I'm sure they will target Boldin a lot however.

[hen826957]

3 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

3 hours ago, ravlivie said:

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

You my friend are misguided. Don't need any changes right now. Talk about it when the games really count. Suggs and Doom will make a difference plus we will be actually game planning. Everyone wants to fire the coach. Just maybe the players are to fault. What do ya think? I am sure the defense will be up to par when the season starts.

It will help but not enough. If Dean Pees wants to keep letting the corners going 10 yards off the reciever than it won't make much of a difference. The Qb will easy find open slants and won't even have time for Suggs and Dumervil to get to the Qb. For me, it's time to make a change and hire Frazier as our DC.

Edited August 24, 2016 by hen826957

[SorryNotSorry]

  3 hours ago, FloridalovesRavens said:

  3 hours ago, ravlivie said:

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

You my friend are misguided. Don't need any changes right now. Talk about it when the games really count. Suggs and Doom will make a difference plus we will be actually game planning. Everyone wants to fire the coach. Just maybe the players are to fault. What do ya think? I am sure the defense will be up to par when the season starts.

It will help but not enough. If Dean Pees wants to keep letting the recievers going 10 yards off the reciever than it won't make much of a difference. The Qb will easy find open slants and won't even have time for Suggs and Dumervil to get to the Qb. For me, it's time to make a change and hire Frazier as our DC.

Exactly! Slants and deep outs/Comebacks are literally wide open every play. Any timing route just eats that cushion alive. Smh. We essentially play our cornerbacks as safeties.

[January J]

17 minutes ago, SorryNotSorry said:

Exactly! Slants and deep outs/Comebacks are literally wide open every play. Any timing route just eats that cushion alive. Smh. We essentially play our cornerbacks as safeties.

I usually like to give pees the benefit of the doubt but this does drive me crazy. Its literally every single game. And no matter how long of a third down our defense is up against I never feel comfortable. Could be 3rd and 23 and somehow we always manage to give up a deep pass over the middle or commit P.I and just hand it to them. Frustrating as hell.

[RRRRRavens]

  2 hours ago, SorryNotSorry said:

Exactly! Slants and deep outs/Comebacks are literally wide open every play. Any timing route just eats that cushion alive. Smh. We essentially play our cornerbacks as safeties.

I usually like to give pees the benefit of the doubt but this does drive me crazy. Its literally every single game. And no matter how long of a third down our defense is up against I never feel comfortable. Could be 3rd and 23 and somehow we always manage to give up a deep pass over the middle or commit P.I and just hand it to them. Frustrating as hell.

Try not to get too upset over all this pre-season stuff. We're still tied with all the rest of the 31 teams for first place at 0-0 for the season.

[CaliRavenFan]

I believe we would all love to see the Defense start faster but I am excited to see we are actually creating turnovers. I am hoping when the season actually starts we wont be lining up 10 yards off the ball but im not going to hold my breath. The biggest thing im shocked about is KC being absolutely a nonfactor this preseason after hearing nothing but great things about him all offseason.

[Raven1995]

I believe we would all love to see the Defense start faster but I am excited to see we are actually creating turnovers. I am hoping when the season actually starts we wont be lining up 10 yards off the ball but im not going to hold my breath. The biggest thing im shocked about is KC being absolutely a nonfactor this preseason after hearing nothing but great things about him all offseason.

Breaking Pitta's finger and getting called out by Flacco has probably got in his head.

[sizzlingdoom]

If Pees wants a better start, He should resign, and let a real coach run the
defense.

seriously. wth

[steelcityraven]

  18 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

RAVLIVIE.... I am with you.... Pees is the problem on our defense. He keeps talking about how much better our defense was in the 2nd half of the season. In the first 8 games we gave up just over 27 pts per game. In te final 8 games we gave up just over 23 pts / game.

What he don't say is that the back end of our schedule we faced some inept offenses. (Jax,Rams, Dolphins, and Browns were 4 of our final 8 games).

The browns hung more then 30 on us both times we played them. (once in the first half and 33 on us in the 2nd half of the season)

Then Bengals put up 28 on us in the first half and 24 on us in the 2nd (and I really felt like weather slowed them more then we did)

The sqeelers put up 20 on us in the 1st half and 20 on us in the 2nd half of the season!

IDK what everyone else thinks but I don't feel like we improved tremendously in the second half of the season. I think we faced worse offenses and had 5 of our last 8 games at home!

5 of last 8 games at M&T / bad weather which limits offenses and a part of our schedule where we faced weaker offenses. I think that had way more to do with our slight improvement then anything Pees did!

We still couldn't rely on our defense to stop the run or pass... to get off of the field on 3rd down or to make a play when needed. Our defense has not had the look of a feared defense since Pees has come to Baltimore and TBH - I am really tired of his excuses.

Pees says we are starting slow in the first two preseason games! Do we think that has anything to do with facing the other teams # 1 and starting QB?

I know it is preseason but I see more of the same. Long drives, dumb penalties, cant get off of the field on 3rd down. Poor pass rush (in spite of the investment we made there), Too much cushion on pass coverage, and a lack of plays being made by a talented group.

IDK but its always the same under Pees and I am afraid that nothing will change until we see our DC change! I just hope the season is not too far gone before Harbs, Ozzie, Decosta, or Mr Biscotti decides to make a move!

Pees needs to produce now of he has gotta go!

Yeah I like how he keeps hanging his hat on the second half of the season pass D like he had something to do with it.

Matteson 2.0 the ole 3 man rush on 3rd down

LOL.... agreed..... Uggggh it is hard to watch!

[January J]

13 hours ago, RRRRRavens said:

Try not to get too upset over all this pre-season stuff. We're still tied with all the rest of the 31 teams for first place at 0-0 for the season.

Wasn't really referring to just the preseason, its been that way over the last few years. But I am going to reserve judgment until the regular season and the entire first team is out there along with suggs and doom. After Week one last year ppl jumped the gun and started saying we could potentially be as good as the 2000 ravens D...boy did that turn out to be fools gold. A lot of that had to do with suggs going down but nonetheless those  predictions were way off. This year I'm cautiously optimistic.

[steelcityraven]

  15 hours ago, SorryNotSorry said:

Exactly! Slants and deep outs/Comebacks are literally wide open every play. Any timing route just eats that cushion alive. Smh. We essentially play our cornerbacks as safeties.

I usually like to give pees the benefit of the doubt but this does drive me crazy. Its literally every single game. And no matter how long of a third down our defense is up against I never feel comfortable. Could be 3rd and 23 and somehow we always manage to give up a deep pass over the middle or commit P.I and just hand it to them. Frustrating as hell.

I'm hanging my hopes on Leslie Frazier.... I hope he can have enough influence and impact to right the ship but TBH.... Im with you... I don't think we can stop anybody no matter what the situation... (and that is frustrating). SMH.... I just hope that LF makes a big impact of DP is gone before its too late!

[Halshayeji]

Like many here, I'm not a huge fan of Pees for various reasons. Unlike many here, I think Pees knows his chair is on fire! And I will give home one last benefit of doubt. Il give pees 2 weeks to prove we got something. 4 weeks before I start calling for his job of were not a top 10 D by then. Bills, Browns, Jags, and Raiders are 4 teams we should dominate defensively. 

[Zeus]

good old pees......look what has happened to our D

[steelcityraven]

Like many here, I'm not a huge fan of Pees for various reasons. Unlike many here, I think Pees knows his chair is on fire! And I will give home one last benefit of doubt. Il give pees 2 weeks to prove we got something. 4 weeks before I start calling for his job of were not a top 10 D by then. Bills, Browns, Jags, and Raiders are 4 teams we should dominate defensively. 

I would like to believe that we should dominate those 4 teams but the browns dropped 30 + on us in both games last season. The Raiders put up 33 - The Jags only put up 22 on us but they did beat us and they are much improved and the Bills and Tyrod have some weapons (Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Little and Salas, Charles Clay, Lesean Mcoy, and Reggie Bush) IDK... but I don't think the Bills will be horrible under Rex. They may not be the Patriots or the Packers offense but they will test our defense

[OUravensfan]

6 hours ago, January J said:

Wasn't really referring to just the preseason, its been that way over the last few years. But I am going to reserve judgment until the regular season and the entire first team is out there along with suggs and doom. After Week one last year ppl jumped the gun and started saying we could potentially be as good as the 2000 ravens D...boy did that turn out to be fools gold. A lot of that had to do with suggs going down but nonetheless those  predictions were way off. This year I'm cautiously optimistic.

I was fooled, I never took it that far but I was positive we'd be a winning team if we shut down Peyton and co all game long. 

And then the Oakland game happened.

 

Peas

[Halshayeji]

6 hours ago, steelcityraven said:

I would like to believe that we should dominate those 4 teams but the browns dropped 30 + on us in both games last season. The Raiders put up 33 - The Jags only put up 22 on us but they did beat us and they are much improved and the Bills and Tyrod have some weapons (Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Little and Salas, Charles Clay, Lesean Mcoy, and Reggie Bush) IDK... but I don't think the Bills will be horrible under Rex. They may not be the Patriots or the Packers offense but they will test our defense

You make valid points. Those teams are no walk in the park and are indeed a great test for our D. If we can handle them then I await what we can do against A teir offenses  ( Packers, Saints, Patriots, Steelers etc...) if we can't hold our own against our first 4 opponents then it's over. I don't wanna see Pees any more coz MY lord, A Teir offenses will run us over! 

[huntrgathrr]

Pees is a professional at getting the least out of his defense. He is very effective at suppressing individual talent in the name of the "bend but don't break" philosophy. Aggressive man to man is a concept he has only read about and obviously fears.
But Dean...how about this? Make the big red zone stand at the opponents 20 yard line instead of our own!!!!!! ATTACK....relentlessly and do not fear the outcome.
Granted. due to injuries he has had to play less aggressively in the past few years. But great defenses are identified by their aggression. Like Ray Lewis said before the 2002 SB, "if our offense doesn't let them score then they can't win". That defense outscored many of their opponents.
If Pees can't develop schemes to attack the offense then maybe he should retire. He has a multitude of talent and should make the effort.
The Ravens deserve a defense which makes an effort to attack and destroy opposing offenses. The passive "bend but don't break" philosophy is total crap. Send everybody all the time. Never fear the outcome. Go for broke....usually this results in an offensive miscue. Putting relentless pressure on an offense eventually takes a toll....turnovers specifically.
The reason we don't get turnovers is the lack of pressure. Make the offense react to us, not us to them. If you are not sending 7 men after the QB then you are letting them run their offense. Never allow them a chance to breathe.
Go for broke.....get a turnover or big loss. If this plan fails and they score...so what...we have a great offense.