Cuts and the cap

[Wildabeast88]

Cuts and the cap. Just looking at overthecap.com and just looking at the ramifications of some of our cuts on the cap.

Matt Elam I think he has improved greatly in his tackling and coverage so I don't think he will get cut but he would save just over 1.3mil

Arthur Brown I think he is done hasn't shown much and outplayed but everyone he saves 889k

Kendrick Lewis I think is truly on the bubble I think he is gone because I see us keeping Elam and Brooks, but Lewis saves 933k

Terrence Brooks I think while he has struggled at times I think it may be to early to give up on a 3rd rounder, he would save 463k not much reason to cut him with those numbers.

Kyle Arrington I think is done not much cap savings here but severely out played saves 233k while normally I say keep someone for that little bit of money his play has not been good at all.

Justin Forsett I would keep him for the veteran presence because Buck has not looked good West has been but I think we need to see more and Dixon is a talented rookie but he is a rookie plus seeing him on a kickoff return he may fill more of that role than as a RB. Forsett would save 2.3 mil 

Michael Campanero if healthy I see him on the roster playmaker returner his overall salary is 49th highest on team so not much for rule of 51 for the cap but his savings would be higher than most players at the bottom of the roster 583k.

James Hurst I think is gone again like Camp number 50 on the cap number but 600k savings if cut. 

Our cut off between player 51 Tavon Young and player 52 Zach Orr is 601,282 and 601,000 for Orr so his number would move up. So what are your thoughts here. 

[K-Dog]

The good news is we are not in any bind with cap space so Ozzie has a little more room to be choosy. 

[rmw10]

At this point, I don't think the cap is a factor whatsoever. We have plenty of space, and if we were making decisions based on money, they'd have already been made. Heading into week 3 of the preseason, decisions are now performance based. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I remember Arthur Brown playing in the first game because he actually made some plays, but I'd have to look at a game log and see if he actually took any snaps last night because I certainly didn't hear his name called or see him do anything. Same goes for Arrington and Lewis.

With Clay being cut I don't see any way in the world Campanaro gets cut now because he's the leader for the punt return job. Reynolds has looked bad in practice and hasn't gotten many shots in pre season and that is probably why.

We've got a lot of numbers in camp at CB and the only vision of Arrington we have is the first pre season game when he stunk. Then he left the game early with some sort of injury. That's not a way to leave a good impression. Has Kendrick Lewis even been on the field?

Cuts:

Kendrick Lewis: We got younger guys that are doing just the same if not better

Kyle Arrington: read above

Arthur Brown: Same as.

James Hurst: Maybe, might make it until the last round of cuts because there are other names on the roster that can go first, like Vlad Ducasse.

[rmw10]

27 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I remember Arthur Brown playing in the first game because he actually made some plays, but I'd have to look at a game log and see if he actually took any snaps last night because I certainly didn't hear his name called or see him do anything. Same goes for Arrington and Lewis.

With Clay being cut I don't see any way in the world Campanaro gets cut now because he's the leader for the punt return job. Reynolds has looked bad in practice and hasn't gotten many shots in pre season and that is probably why.

We've got a lot of numbers in camp at CB and the only vision of Arrington we have is the first pre season game when he stunk. Then he left the game early with some sort of injury. That's not a way to leave a good impression. Has Kendrick Lewis even been on the field?

Cuts:

Kendrick Lewis: We got younger guys that are doing just the same if not better

Kyle Arrington: read above

Arthur Brown: Same as.

James Hurst: Maybe, might make it until the last round of cuts because there are other names on the roster that can go first, like Vlad Ducasse.

Lewis and Arrington didn't play last night due to injury.  Still think Lewis has a spot assuming he returns from injury soon, but Arrington's time is pretty much over here.

[K-Dog]

I want Vladimir on the team just for his name. 

[rmw10]

9 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I want Vladimir on the team just for his name. 

To be serious for a minute, I did notice that he was tapping Jensen to tell him when to make the snaps on the second team unit last night.  Noticed he switched between RG and LG too.  I think he might actually have a decent shot if they're okay with Lewis as the backup option at LT.

[Wildabeast88]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

At this point, I don't think the cap is a factor whatsoever. We have plenty of space, and if we were making decisions based on money, they'd have already been made. Heading into week 3 of the preseason, decisions are now performance based. 

Yeah without a doubt we don't need to make any decisions based on money at all. I just was wanting to see what everyone else was thinking. Obviously with Elam being in a contract year it doesn't make sense to get rid of him and hope he can continue to progress or turn into a comp pick. Also having the extra money might be good for trying to resign Williams, Wagner, Aiken. 

[Willbacker]

Obvious cuts are Arrington and ABrown. Hurst will probally join. The cap impact will be minimal since you're gonna have 3 players moving up(replacing the 3 getting knocked out) into the 51 which will account against any savings you accrue. In fact we could lose cap space.

 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

4 hours ago, rmw10 said:

To be serious for a minute, I did notice that he was tapping Jensen to tell him when to make the snaps on the second team unit last night.  Noticed he switched between RG and LG too.  I think he might actually have a decent shot if they're okay with Lewis as the backup option at LT.

Vlad Ducasse has fallen out of favor with every team he's been on and is graded out as a pretty poor guard overall and absolutely terrible as a pass protector. With him it is all about the numbers because if the Ravens keep him then they are most likely going to lose a young player that might be challenging for a roster spot. If that said young player is decent enough to challenge for a roster spot, chances are he won't make it through waivers to slip to the PS.

Jensen looked pretty good at G when he's needed to play for us and Urschel is our actual back up center...but since he's starting at G in the preseason Jensen is getting time at C again. I definitely think Lewis makes the team. I personally haven't seen anyone else really stand out like Skura, Fabiano, Clausel, Nembot, or Wesley so maybe Ducasse's job is safe. If the last spot was down to Hurst and Ducasse though I would have to think Hurst is the odd man out.

[Wildabeast88]

52 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

Obvious cuts are Arrington and ABrown. Hurst will probally join. The cap impact will be minimal since you're gonna have 3 players moving up(replacing the 3 getting knocked out) into the 51 which will account against any savings you accrue. In fact we could lose cap space.

 

Brown's dead money is 241k Taliafero is 150k Hurst is 3k so not a lot of dead money Arrington is the one that will hurt over 1mil 

[Willbacker]

18 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Brown's dead money is 241k Taliafero is 150k Hurst is 3k so not a lot of dead money Arrington is the one that will hurt over 1mil 

The dead money will hit us next year. I'm talking bout this year. The Arrington will hurt but the Monroe hit will be even worse but we're not facing the combo Rice/Ngata hit from a couple years ago.

Lets just say the 3 players that move up into the 51 average 500k this year. To the figures you gave us from overthecap Arrington saves 233k,Brown saves 889k and Hurst saves 600k which equals 1.722mil which if the other 3 players at 500k(I'm just using roundabout figures here) it would save 222k(for this year) but say if the 3 players avg 600k then we would lose cap space. Orr you said cost 601k then you'd have to add the 2 next ones to get the true figure.

[rmcjacket23]

5 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Brown's dead money is 241k Taliafero is 150k Hurst is 3k so not a lot of dead money Arrington is the one that will hurt over 1mil 

Don't get caught up in the dead money. Its basically irrelevant. A lot of fans like to bring it up, but its a sunk cost. There's no decision that can be made that will change dead money impact. 

Its all about cap savings and comparable players. 

[RayRocks]

People are saying to cut Arthur Brown, but he's probably the top backup to Mosely or Orr.  McClellan and Correa can play there in a pinch, but I've also seen Arthur Brown play a lot of ST this pre-season so I'm not sure he gets cut.

[rmw10]

Just now, RayRocks said:

People are saying to cut Arthur Brown, but he's probably the top backup to Mosely or Orr.  McClellan and Correa can play there in a pinch, but I've also seen Arthur Brown play a lot of ST this pre-season so I'm not sure he gets cut.

I'd be very surprised if he makes the team.  There's just nothing there anymore.  Best for both sides to part ways at this point.

[KBoum]

32 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'd be very surprised if he makes the team.  There's just nothing there anymore.  Best for both sides to part ways at this point.

At this point he should get a try on on a team playing a fast 4-3/nickle. he's no way a 3-4 player. well he even looked lost playing coverage in nickle. I remember during the draft I didnt know why he was slipping... others teams might have realized his lack of awareness 

[trevorsteadman]

12 hours ago, RayRocks said:

People are saying to cut Arthur Brown, but he's probably the top backup to Mosely or Orr.  McClellan and Correa can play there in a pinch, but I've also seen Arthur Brown play a lot of ST this pre-season so I'm not sure he gets cut.

Correa and McClellan have been playing over him... Don't sugar coat it. Probably best definition of a draft bust.

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, RayRocks said:

People are saying to cut Arthur Brown, but he's probably the top backup to Mosely or Orr.  McClellan and Correa can play there in a pinch, but I've also seen Arthur Brown play a lot of ST this pre-season so I'm not sure he gets cut.

He's not a good enough ST player to warrant getting a roster spot purely for that. And there's absolutely no chance he's the #3 MLB right now. I'd say at best, he's #5. McClellan and Correa I think would certainly get snaps over him right now.

 

[trevorsteadman]

I still think Kendrick Lewis is a lock for the #3 safety spot. Call me crazy but Harbaugh praised the guy for always being in the right place and making solid plays. One of our more consistent players. I think he is probably the best 3rd safety on any team and probably could start for a majority of the teams in the NFL.

[rmw10]

8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I still think Kendrick Lewis is a lock for the #3 safety spot. Call me crazy but Harbaugh praised the guy for always being in the right place and making solid plays. One of our more consistent players. I think he is probably the best 3rd safety on any team and probably could start for a majority of the teams in the NFL.

I'm of the same opinion, but he also has to get back to practice as he's missed some time now with some sort of injury.

[trevorsteadman]

12 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I'm of the same opinion, but he also has to get back to practice as he's missed some time now with some sort of injury.

And it has been kind of kept quiet which is interesting and worries me... I hope he is not out long.

[RayRocks]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He's not a good enough ST player to warrant getting a roster spot purely for that. And there's absolutely no chance he's the #3 MLB right now. I'd say at best, he's #5. McClellan and Correa I think would certainly get snaps over him right now.

 

Quite possibly.  I think it's about a 50/50 shot that Brown makes it because McClellan is playing mostly OLB this year, filling Upshaw's role and Correa has kind of been floating been ILB and OLB, meaning we don't really have a true ILB on the team after Orr and Mosley.  If the team isn't worried about shifting McClellan or Correa back there full time in the event of an injury to Orr or Mosley, then Brown will probably be gone.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

Quite possibly.  I think it's about a 50/50 shot that Brown makes it because McClellan is playing mostly OLB this year, filling Upshaw's role and Correa has kind of been floating been ILB and OLB, meaning we don't really have a true ILB on the team after Orr and Mosley.  If the team isn't worried about shifting McClellan or Correa back there full time in the event of an injury to Orr or Mosley, then Brown will probably be gone.

I don't even see it as 50/50. I'd call it 20/80 he makes this team. Frankly, I expect him to be among the first or second group of cuts.

[trevorsteadman]

34 minutes ago, RayRocks said:

Quite possibly.  I think it's about a 50/50 shot that Brown makes it because McClellan is playing mostly OLB this year, filling Upshaw's role and Correa has kind of been floating been ILB and OLB, meaning we don't really have a true ILB on the team after Orr and Mosley.  If the team isn't worried about shifting McClellan or Correa back there full time in the event of an injury to Orr or Mosley, then Brown will probably be gone.

I think Correa has been playing more ILB than OLB.. So I view his position as first an ILB then depth at OLB if needed. Plus with Dumervil, Suggs, McClellan, Z. Smith, and Judon that is already 5 OLB most likely locks for the 53 man roster. I don't even think it is that big of a concern only having Mosley, Correa, and Orr as ILB because a majority of the time we are playing out of the 4-3 or dime packages we usually only have 1 ILB on the field anyway. Also add in that Levine is probably a starter at linebacker in dime situations. Plenty of depth there in my opinion.