The good, the not so good pre-season game 2

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I'd rather someone else besides Camp handle k/o and p/r duties.  Why give him more opportunities to get injured.

Looks like someone else will be handling KR, but PR is all Camp.  Not like anyone else has earned the job, unfortunately.

[Somerset Ravens]

32 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

The NFLN broadcast was the Colts announcers.

I saw them on Comcast. If you ever see their coverage I would be curious what you think.

[Ravensfan23]

24 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

I saw them on Comcast. If you ever see their coverage I would be curious what you think.

It's really bad. You'd think the 3 of them have worked together long enough that they've improve, at least enough to make each other better, but they haven't. 

I'm usually watching the game on mute or really low volume because it's tough to follow the play of certain players when you're constantly correcting and disagreeing with the commentators

[BmoreBird22]

47 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

I'd rather someone else besides Camp handle k/o and p/r duties.  Why give him more opportunities to get injured.

I wanna see if there's data to support injuries are higher on KR/PR

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

I wanna see if there's data to support injuries are higher on KR/PR

If Brynden Trawick was still on the team I think PR is a very dangerous job.

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's really bad. You'd think the 3 of them have worked together long enough that they've improve, at least enough to make each other better, but they haven't. 

I'm usually watching the game on mute or really low volume because it's tough to follow the play of certain players when you're constantly correcting and disagreeing with the commentators

And Qadry has to chill with that mother of pearl stuff.

[trevorsteadman]

1 minute ago, rmw10 said:

And Qadry has to chill with that mother of pearl stuff.

I just made a drinking game out of it.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wanna see if there's data to support injuries are higher on KR/PR

Highly doubt it. I've long said that I don't think there's really any factual data to show that KR/PR get injured often, which is why I'm generally not opposed to putting a high quality starter at another position out there to do that. Other teams do this as well (Antonio Brown), but I will say that's primarily limited to punt returns. There aren't a lot of "stud" players at other positions returning kickoffs.

 

[Edgar]

9 hours ago, 52liveforever said:

He actually had a really good game yesterday if you really watched him. He got held a lot. Mentioning holding Zadarius smith got held a lot too. In general there was a lot of holding in that game on both sides. I will say the only time I saw good things from him was on the outside so I would say Orr has that inside spot.

He's being asked to do a lot (Correa). I'd say based on his want to and his burst around the edge he will probably become a good pass rusher. If he can get his head around everything he's being required to learn positionally, he could be a rather unique piece.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I really don't get what you're not understanding about any of this, but I'll try to keep it simple...

Elam was not living up to expectations, and for that reason, we declined the option.  Of course, the Ravens had no trust in him, so they made a move to hopefully improve the S situation.  However, that doesn't mean Elam hasn't looked to have improved.  No one is calling him a superstar in the making.  They've noticed that he's improved and looks like he could be a viable depth candidate for us.  There's nothing more to it.  It's really that simple.  Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, heck, I don't even know what the heck we are arguing about since everybody agrees with me that Matt Elam's option was declined because he was playing poorly and that he is part of the reason why the team went out to get Weddle.

I never said Elam wasn't trying to improve. Please point to a post where I said that because I know I haven't.

That's the thing though, step back from it for a minute and read what people are saying about him. You'd think he was a superstar in the making based off of all the love he's getting....for making a couple of tackles...that any...other...safety...in...the....game....makes. If you want to say he's improved from a guy who could barely tackle to a guy that makes tackles every once in awhile now, fine. He's improved. But don't sit on this board and try to tell me he made impact plays when that's a fact he did not. He didn't force a fumble, he didn't pick off a pass, he didn't record a sack, he didn't have a tackle for a loss. He made general football plays. If that gets people excited then well good on them.

And if people are going to continuously attack my opinion and say I am wrong when I am not, then I am going to voice my opinion, back it up with facts, and ask you all to do the same thing. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. If you all like Elam and think he's done great, fine. That's awesome. I am not in that camp and it is obvious I am not going to change my mind based off of one game where he shows up in a couple of plays.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

And Qadry has to chill with that mother of pearl stuff.

If you think this stuff is bad you should have heard all of the Orioles announcers that followed Jon Miller including the newest guy Gary Thorne and his partner Mike Bordick. Talk about dead air. Thorne never knows what the count is or usually how many outs there are. He never knows the location of the pitch. He routinely tells you that somebody on the other team is at the plate for the Orioles. He goes off on these long, pointless tangents. And catch phrases...Thorne is in love with "throttles back" when a guy throws a changeup and if it is Bordick it is "turbo change."

You have two former players in Q and Stan White, one offense and one defense that should bring some knowledge to the game and every once in awhile you hear it when they break down a play. Sandusky's voice isn't bad, but I almost get the feeling he doesn't care to be there. They make sure they get the call on their pizzas right though.

[OUravensfan]

We should start a poll, have Matt Elam discussions become more polarizing on this forum than Joe Flacco discussions?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

12 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

We should start a poll, have Matt Elam discussions become more polarizing on this forum than Joe Flacco discussions?

I'm done with the subject. I've said my peace on him. Seems like other people just don't want to let it go.

[sibelius]

I like Matt Elam. Always have liked him as a guy. Looking forward to seeing him put it together this year after a strong season and solid showings so far in preseason. 

[Boddiebroadus]

Elam having his knee scoped. 

[Boddiebroadus]

Perriman off pup. Woot

[OUravensfan]

Well the Matt Elam debate was a moot discussion. Wth is wrong with this team and staying healthy the last few seasons

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, OUravensfan said:

Well the Matt Elam debate was a moot discussion. Wth is wrong with this team and staying healthy the last few seasons

He will most likely start on PUP then which means that is another opening for another player to make this team... He was the 4th safety at best on this roster anyway. Probably a good thing in the end to stash him until mid season when injuries pile on.

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

He will most likely start on PUP then which means that is another opening for another player to make this team... He was the 4th safety at best on this roster anyway. Probably a good thing in the end to stash him until mid season when injuries pile on.

Can't start on PUP since he's been practicing all camp.

[sibelius]

9 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

He will most likely start on PUP then which means that is another opening for another player to make this team... He was the 4th safety at best on this roster anyway. Probably a good thing in the end to stash him until mid season when injuries pile on.

 

Can't PUP someone who's practiced already unless they've changed the rule so it actually kind of screws us. 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, sibelius said:

 

Can't PUP someone who's practiced already unless they've changed the rule so it actually kind of screws us. 

Dang then swing and a miss...

[rmw10]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, heck, I don't even know what the heck we are arguing about since everybody agrees with me that Matt Elam's option was declined because he was playing poorly and that he is part of the reason why the team went out to get Weddle.

I never said Elam wasn't trying to improve. Please point to a post where I said that because I know I haven't.

That's the thing though, step back from it for a minute and read what people are saying about him. You'd think he was a superstar in the making based off of all the love he's getting....for making a couple of tackles...that any...other...safety...in...the....game....makes. If you want to say he's improved from a guy who could barely tackle to a guy that makes tackles every once in awhile now, fine. He's improved. But don't sit on this board and try to tell me he made impact plays when that's a fact he did not. He didn't force a fumble, he didn't pick off a pass, he didn't record a sack, he didn't have a tackle for a loss. He made general football plays. If that gets people excited then well good on them.

And if people are going to continuously attack my opinion and say I am wrong when I am not, then I am going to voice my opinion, back it up with facts, and ask you all to do the same thing. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. If you all like Elam and think he's done great, fine. That's awesome. I am not in that camp and it is obvious I am not going to change my mind based off of one game where he shows up in a couple of plays.

Literally not one person has acted like he's a superstar in the making.  I've seen absolutely nothing to indicate that people thought he might be turning into anything but a decent player.

Edited August 22, 2016 by rmw10

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I am not arguing for the sake of arguing, heck, I don't even know what the heck we are arguing about since everybody agrees with me that Matt Elam's option was declined because he was playing poorly and that he is part of the reason why the team went out to get Weddle.

I never said Elam wasn't trying to improve. Please point to a post where I said that because I know I haven't.

That's the thing though, step back from it for a minute and read what people are saying about him. You'd think he was a superstar in the making based off of all the love he's getting....for making a couple of tackles...that any...other...safety...in...the....game....makes. If you want to say he's improved from a guy who could barely tackle to a guy that makes tackles every once in awhile now, fine. He's improved. But don't sit on this board and try to tell me he made impact plays when that's a fact he did not. He didn't force a fumble, he didn't pick off a pass, he didn't record a sack, he didn't have a tackle for a loss. He made general football plays. If that gets people excited then well good on them.

And if people are going to continuously attack my opinion and say I am wrong when I am not, then I am going to voice my opinion, back it up with facts, and ask you all to do the same thing. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing. If you all like Elam and think he's done great, fine. That's awesome. I am not in that camp and it is obvious I am not going to change my mind based off of one game where he shows up in a couple of plays.

No one is acting like he's a superstar; he's improved his tackling and now shows technique to go along with instincts that the Ravens knew he had as a first rounder, albeit in a very weak draft class.

If it's so wrong to be happy to see a player improve and make strides in very weak areas of his game, then you're going to be highly displeased with the majority of the board.

And it's an opinion as to what is or is not an impact play. I don't care if a guy gets 7 yards on 3rd and 10 if Elam stops him before the first down. That's an impact play that ended a drive. I don't care if all he did was put himself in position to break down and tackle a man in the open field when he's the last line of defense because that's an impact play that prevents a touchdown.

And it's not a foregone conclusion that Every.Single.Safety.Will.Make.The.Tackle. Many, many safeties will lead the league in missed tackles just by virtue of being in the open field without the sidelines to help them. It's not easy to break down and tackle someone running full speed if you're flat footed.

I don't even see anyone attacking you. You made a post calling out people who praised Elam and said you wouldn't be joining in that crowd. I mean, what did you expect reply wise?

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Highly doubt it. I've long said that I don't think there's really any factual data to show that KR/PR get injured often, which is why I'm generally not opposed to putting a high quality starter at another position out there to do that. Other teams do this as well (Antonio Brown), but I will say that's primarily limited to punt returns. There aren't a lot of "stud" players at other positions returning kickoffs.

I would doubt there's evidence, either. You're talking about a play that happens, maybe, five times a game as far as just a PR or KR. Hell, playing 80 offensive snaps or defensive snaps and taking live hits on every single one isn't considered more dangerous?

[redrum52]

27 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Perriman off pup. Woot

Hmmm.  Will be interesting to see how things go with him.  I think it's best for them to just be quiet with him, whether good or bad.

[Filmstudy]

For those who are interested, I posted my grades for the offense:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/22/filmstudy/ravens-preseason-grades/

 

 

[Filmstudy]

25 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Can't start on PUP since he's been practicing all camp.

I'll be interested if they use the "short term" IR slot on him.  You only get one unless they have changed the rule.

[bMore Heathen]

41 minutes ago, Boddiebroadus said:

Perriman off pup. Woot

Sweet!!! Hopefully he can start practicing this week.

Edited August 22, 2016 by bMore Heathen

[Cville-Raven]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

No one is acting like he's a superstar; he's improved his tackling and now shows technique to go along with instincts that the Ravens knew he had as a first rounder, albeit in a very weak draft class.

If it's so wrong to be happy to see a player improve and make strides in very weak areas of his game, then you're going to be highly displeased with the majority of the board.

And it's an opinion as to what is or is not an impact play. I don't care if a guy gets 7 yards on 3rd and 10 if Elam stops him before the first down. That's an impact play that ended a drive. I don't care if all he did was put himself in position to break down and tackle a man in the open field when he's the last line of defense because that's an impact play that prevents a touchdown.

And it's not a foregone conclusion that Every.Single.Safety.Will.Make.The.Tackle. Many, many safeties will lead the league in missed tackles just by virtue of being in the open field without the sidelines to help them. It's not easy to break down and tackle someone running full speed if you're flat footed.

I don't even see anyone attacking you. You made a post calling out people who praised Elam and said you wouldn't be joining in that crowd. I mean, what did you expect reply wise?

This

[BmoreBird22]

14 minutes ago, bMore Heathen said:

Sweet!!! Hopefully he can start practicing this week.

Very unlikely, but he should be good to go for week one.