The good, the not so good pre-season game 2

[757RavensFan]

10 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

There is a lot to actually dissect here and I know a lot of people don't like reading long posts so I will try to just briefly touch on things.

The Bad:

Something nobody has mentioned: The penalties! Lots and lots of them. Willie Henry had one of the most egregious ones late in the game up by a point on 4th and long...the LAST thing you should do is jump offside. Guys were jumping all night long.

Offensive line: In running game: No holes were opened up all night long no matter who was in the game. Our best running came from broken passing plays with Josh Johnson. T. West also over thought plays and tried to cut back and get cute instead of taking what was there when there was something there to be taken. He looked bad. Jensen got completely ran over on a goal line run. Pass protection looked okay for most of the game, but broke down several times.

Pass Defense: Look at the numbers. Luck was 8/8 for 71 yards in barely 1 quarter of work. Tolzien 13/18 107 1TD. Morris (who?) 7/11 66 1TD. Guys were open, guys were making catches, and our pass defense was playing catch up all night long. If it weren't for the fumble forced by McClellan this game might have been a loss.

The Good:

Ryan Mallett and Josh Johnson looked good. Both of them led scoring drives and Johnson once again showed the ability to make something happen with his feet.

Anthony Levine: He stumbled on coverage in one play and got bailed out by a dropped pass, then there was a pass interference call that I think in this new age of football probably does get called in regular season despite what all of the homer announcers said about it. Levine had his hands all over the guy when he was running down field. You can't do that and expect to get away with it. It gets called all the time whether the "path of the receiver is impeded" or not. He came up big on some run plays, and of course had that 2pt conversion pick off and return. There was a run play he tried to crash down on and completely whiffed when he was in at dime linebacker, but over all he had a pretty good game.

The two minute drill: Lots of good patterns and good play from Josh Johnson capped off by a perfect example of a fade route by Butler.

McClellan forcing a turnover. Judon was really the only one causing pressure. Orr made some nice plays.

I see a number of posts complimenting Elam for a good game. I won't be adding to that. I won't commend a guy for actually making tackles at the NFL level. That is what he's supposed to do. He made zero impact plays, but he wasn't the only one. Correa was once again invisible. In fact I watched the entire game and I didn't actually see him on the field or hear his name mentioned once. There was zero pass rush for most of the game. Temper Judon's sacks with the fact he's going up against the 3rd stringers. The coverage was bad for most of the game.

This is the point I was talking about. You could not have paid attention that well if you never saw him on the field.  Especially when he played 20+ plays and some of them were impact plays. You said it, not me. 

Edited August 22, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[allblackraven]

11 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

There's this thing called the All-22 that the coaches use and you can buy access to it and I am very certain that @Filmstudy does that, so no, I'm certain he went and rewatched the game with the All-22 and broke down each individual player. 

Have you ever read an article by him?

The other day when we talked about Game Pass, I forgot to mention "coaches film". That's another feature you get when watching replays of past games. Not too relevant for current evaluations but still nice to check from time to time.

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

Stanley played 25 non-penalty snaps, up from 22 in the opener.

Regarding the offensive RoY talk...I probably would also have called that impossible a few years back, but PFF has changed football by offering grades to compare offensive linemen that are updated weekly.  You don't have to like their grades, but there is much improved information flow on the offensive and defensive lines than there was just a few years ago.

There may not be a great rookie QB this season, which improves his chances, but he'll need to play very well. 

Think it would take a combination of him playing very well and no other rookie skill position players separating themselves.

Short of another stand out performance from a WR, any pretty much any respectable season from Zeke Elliott and he should walk away with that award easily. A 1,000 yard season for him, which I think he can get easily, would probably vault him ahead of any offensive lineman, regardless of how they play.

Basically, the biggest possibility of him winning OROY will probably be based on a ton of other rookies falling flat their first years. There's typically always at least 1-2 standouts at the skill positions, so I'd say this is a dramatic long shot.

[Edgar]

5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How can you "ditto that" when Correa did NOT have a couple of tackles? He's got one tackle on the whole pre season.

It's way too early to worry about Correa but I would agree that his performance in two pre-season games fails to measure up to the hype of training camp.

He is a high pick who really hasn't jumped off the film to this point.  He really has no answer when an offensive lineman gets hands on him first. 

 

Edited August 22, 2016 by Edgar

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, Edgar said:

It's way too early to worry about Correa but I would agree that his performance in two pre-season games fails to measure up to the hype of training camp.

He is a high pick who really hasn't jumped off the film to this point.  He really has no answer when an offensive lineman gets hands on him first. 

 

 

 

yeah..he flashed either really hot or really cold at college level...at this level that isnt a good omen.

For me the most disappointing player in the past year is carl davis. Just looks like an nfl player who will have 1 contract and be out of the league not long after

Edited August 22, 2016 by Sami84

[GrimCoconut]

5 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Try to remember that Elam was coming off a torn biceps last year and hadn't played the entire year. Based off of what they had last year, they needed to revamp that safety crew, but that crew did not include Elam.

I'm a little late to this party, however, I do want to add onto your comment here in response to this post below:

7 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Am I wrong or did the Ravens not go out and completely re-vamp their entire starting safety crew. That's right they did. Now, I wonder what they based that off of. Did they base that off of what they thought Matt Elam might do in pre season football games against second and third string players, or did they base that off of previous seasons and his performance up to this point. Did they decide to waive his fifth year option on his rookie year because of what he hadn't done yet in pre season football (because they did that prior to the pre season games starting) or based off of previous seasons?

Seems like I am not the only one who judges things at least in some degree on previous seasons. I'm not saying that Matt Elam did absolutely nothing in the game. I am not saying he didn't make tackles. What I am saying is that he had a game that every safety in the league should be having and that's not exactly reason for people to be jumping up and down and celebrating. He made some tackles. He didn't force any fumbles, he didn't pick off any passes. He didn't recover a fumble. Anthony Levine did some of that, and he was all over the field, he was making impact plays. You want to be excited about a player, that's a guy that is making noise.

I think you should look at it a little more objectively with all the facts present. I am by no means an Elam apologist, however, let's look at the facts regarding this fifth-year option we abstained from applying:

1. Elam is coming off of an injury.

2. Elam hasn't looked good since arguably 2013, and that's even debatable.

3. The fifth-year option is fully guaranteed in the event of an injury. 

With these facts, why apply the fifth-year option to Elam when he could get hurt and lose another year, which may cause him to collect that check? That doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for the Ravens. Obviously, if he was playing awesome Newsome wouldn't have called him out and said that he needed to play better, and we would've likely picked up the fifth-year option like we did with Jimmy. This is all obvious. What can't be missed is that there are other variables outside of skill. 

[Filmstudy]

7 hours ago, allblackraven said:

The other day when we talked about Game Pass, I forgot to mention "coaches film". That's another feature you get when watching replays of past games. Not too relevant for current evaluations but still nice to check from time to time.

The Ravens gave away Game Pass as a perk to season ticket holders in 2014-15.  I suspect they will do it again this season, but have not heard confirmation.  The free package is the Cadillac with the coaches video included.  That used to sell for $70 per season.  For that, you get:

• Access to broadcast video from all games starting with the beginning of 2009
• Coaches video access beginning Tuesday night (no sound, but you get 2 different angles for each play run consecutively)
• Play indexing which allows you to skip around in the broadcast or coaches video to plays of interest (the indexing isn't always done perfectly, but it's something)
• Condensed games so you can watch the entire game in approximately 25-30 minutes with only snap to whistle action.

I write my articles with the (Q, T) references so you can watch the video on Game Pass as you read if you so desire.  You can click directly to the play in question and see if I'm missing something.

If you're a season ticket holder, I can't see any reason not to access the service for free.  If you're not, for the price of a good video game, you can watch all sorts of football for a full year including some great old Ravens wins when you have a hankering.

Edited August 22, 2016 by Filmstudy

[Filmstudy]

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm a little late to this party, however, I do want to add onto your comment here in response to this post below:

I think you should look at it a little more objectively with all the facts present. I am by no means an Elam apologist, however, let's look at the facts regarding this fifth-year option we abstained from applying:

1. Elam is coming off of an injury.

2. Elam hasn't looked good since arguably 2013, and that's even debatable.

3. The fifth-year option is fully guaranteed in the event of an injury. 

With these facts, why apply the fifth-year option to Elam when he could get hurt and lose another year, which may cause him to collect that check? That doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for the Ravens. Obviously, if he was playing awesome Newsome wouldn't have called him out and said that he needed to play better, and we would've likely picked up the fifth-year option like we did with Jimmy. This is all obvious. What can't be missed is that there are other variables outside of skill. 

Concur and it's also a matter of the actual 2017 salary.  Elam would have made something like $5 million for 2017 had the option been picked up.  It's based on slot, so I might be a little high, but that's the right ballpark.

There aren't many people outside of the Elam family and associated with the NFL who currently believe Elam is likely to be worth $5 million next season.  

If he suddenly becomes Eric Berry this season, the Ravens will probably lose him to free agency and receive a compensatory pick.  If he doesn't, but proves a useful nickel/dime/ST player/occasional fill in on the back end, the Ravens may be able to sign him to a team-friendly 1-2 year deal.

***Edit***: His option cost was $5.6 million and here's a link with some good analysis for each of the 2013 1st round selections:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tracking-the-fifth-year-option-outlook-for-all-32-first-round-picks-of-the-2013-nfl-draft-010824994.html

Edited August 22, 2016 by Filmstudy

[Edgar]

23 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

yeah..he flashed either really hot or really cold at college level...at this level that isnt a good omen.

For me the most disappointing player in the past year is carl davis. Just looks like an nfl player who will have 1 contract and be out of the league not long after

I'm a little more optimistic concerning Davis. I'm not waiting on him to wreck a game but I do like him against the run and we are starting to see some promise as a rotational guy at DE.( at first, hopefully).

Still early with him.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Filmstudy said:

Concur and it's also a matter of the actual 2017 salary.  Elam would have made something like $5 million for 2017 had the option been picked up.  It's based on slot, so I might be a little high, but that's the right ballpark.

There aren't many people outside of the Elam family and associated with the NFL who currently believe Elam is likely to be worth $5 million next season.  

If he suddenly becomes Eric Berry this season, the Ravens will probably lose him to free agency and receive a compensatory pick.  If he doesn't, but proves a useful nickel/dime/ST player/occasional fill in on the back end, the Ravens may be able to sign him to a team-friendly 1-2 year deal.

I forgot to add that, but that was a point I wanted to make, too. Jimmy got around $7M, but it is based off of the position average and not the draft spot. I think he would've gotten close to if not the same as Eric Reid, who got $5.6M for the fifth year option. That's a lot to lose if he [Elam] becomes injured. We could re-sign him for possibly less, or let him go in FA and get a comp. 

[allblackraven]

20 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

The Ravens gave away Game Pass as a perk to season ticket holders in 2014-15.  I suspect they will do it again this season, but have not heard confirmation.  The free package is the Cadillac with the coaches video included.  That used to sell for $70 per season.  For that, you get:

• Access to broadcast video from all games starting with the beginning of 2009
• Coaches video access beginning Tuesday night (no sound, but you get 2 different angles for each play run consecutively)
• Play indexing which allows you to skip around in the broadcast or coaches video to plays of interest (the indexing isn't always done perfectly, but it's something)
• Condensed games so you can watch the entire game in approximately 25-30 minutes with only snap to whistle action.

I write my articles with the (Q, T) references so you can see watch the video on Game Pass as you read if you so desire.  You can click directly to the play in question and see if I'm missing something.

If you're a season ticket holder, I can't see any reason not to access the service for free.  If you're not, for the price of a good video game, you can watch all sorts of football for a full year including some great old Ravens wins when you have a hankering.

I live in NZ. Thought about getting a season ticket but decided permanent state of jet lag isn't worth it

I am GP subscriber, though.

[Newsome is Awesome]

Colts Drive 1
Elam, Correa and Judon not in. Correa gets in on goal line defense, overpowered by Colts right tackle, though got his facemask incidentally.

Colts 3-0
Raven Drive 1, will focus on Stanley

1-Run to right side away from Big Stanley, he misses cut block again, minimal gain
2-Big Stanley gets part of his man on a cut block that doesn't take him down, Partial Year starter,  they run away from Big Stanley again to right for minimal gain
3-Big Stanley has a rook LB take him long and is lucky pass is quick...
Rook that almost beat Stanley roughs punter drive continues
4-Big Stanley on Part Year starter again, gets bulled backwards but neutralizes him on Gilmore Drop
5-Stanley gets beat by 2nd move of Roughing rook, but quick pass out prevents any damage
6-Stanley off half a beat quick due to Roughing Rook on him again. Refs don't call it and Rook beats Big Stanley outside but quick throw prevents any damage.
7-Stanley literally punches Roughing Rook in head, Refs somehow don't see it, but that will not fly.  You gotta look at his play 7 on the film. Unreal. I grade Stanley very poorly for these two drives against nondescript players. My grades do not get reduced to a number. Not at BPU.  Ravens punt

Colts 2nd Drive
Believe Elam is in and gets stoned on a  blitz
Elam does make 1st of his two tackles next play.....have to note its a dive and not an arms tackle and leaves a man early that could have beat him for a TD. 
Elam makes his second tackle, but loses coverage on man
Elam beat in a couple steps but colts fumble

Ravens 3rd Drive
8-Run to stanleys side and he makes handsy seal vs 12 year vet, non starter end of year.
9-They Run at Big Stanley and being kind he looks awkward. Actually grabs the  defender from behind while he is tackling ball carrier. No gain.
10-Non Factor, rollout right, 1st down
11-Does a good job pass blocking on Sack Zed for a year DE
12-Fair block on starting linkbacker, very handsy.....gonna be lucky if he doesn't get called for holding as the Refs get his wind of his preference. No gain
13-Does a good job on OLB, full year starter,  forcing him out....TD

Colts next Drive
Correa in this drive
Contrary he does not touch ball against 2nd string LT
Correa unblocked has ball thrown right into him.
Missed field goat 7-3

Ravens
14-Good Pass block..completion
15-Does good job on Roughing Rook this time on run
16-Does an adequate job on non starting big LB........Ravens punt

Colts Drive for filed goal

Well, thats enough. No need to go into the second half with 3rd stringers.  What one can't dismiss is that for the second game in a row we did not look good while it was 1st team vs 1st team. Hopefully that means we are slow starters, cuz that can be overcome.
Big Stanley started poorly and played better as the game went on. Still waiting to see him on dedicated QB rushers. He's gonna have to watch his hands.
Judon has a motor and will play large for us barring injury. He was my favorite in this draft.
Matt Elam became invisible after a couple plays he appeared in. 
Correa has a ways to go as well.
Essentially we won a close one and that's good for morale.
 

[lgcs27288]

3 hours ago, Willbacker said:

I guess you missed the batted ball and I clearly remember the announcer saying Correa. There was even 2 or 3 replays and you're saying you never heard his name mentioned.

To be fair the announcers probably gave the credit to Keenan Reynolds or Kenneth Dixon or something like that.

[52liveforever]

3 hours ago, Edgar said:

It's way too early to worry about Correa but I would agree that his performance in two pre-season games fails to measure up to the hype of training camp.

He is a high pick who really hasn't jumped off the film to this point.  He really has no answer when an offensive lineman gets hands on him first. 

 

He actually had a really good game yesterday if you really watched him. He got held a lot. Mentioning holding Zadarius smith got held a lot too. In general there was a lot of holding in that game on both sides. I will say the only time I saw good things from him was on the outside so I would say Orr has that inside spot.

[Filmstudy]

Regarding Correa:

(Q2, 11:28) Tolzien threw right for Ferguson over the leaping Correa.  Sandusky called the ball tipped.  I'm not positive it was but Correa altered the throw at a minimum. No PD was credited in the Gamebook.

(Q2, 8:41) Davis and Correa rush side by side from the OLS and Correa leapt high to deflect Tolzien's pass.  Orr came close to an athletic interception among the linemen.

[Filmstudy]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't have an account to see the breakdown, but I'd imagine his pass blocking earned some high marks.

Me too.  Their pass-blocking scores are extremely event driven.  So if you give up a pressure, QH, or Sack, it's a negative score, but if you don't you did your job on the play no matter how bad you look in the process (that matches my method).  They do not charge a lineman if his assignment bats a pass, but that's the same as allowing a pressure in my system.

Through 2014 I had regular communication with Ben Stockwell who leads their review team to go over QHs and pressure results for Ravens linemen. Unfortunately when they walled off the count and signature statistics in 2015 (the old $26.99 annual package now costs $1,500), they also lost the transparency and free review of fans around the NFL with granular information.  Don't get me wrong, they still offer a great product and have changed the way football is watched/understood, but it was the count statistics much more than the grades that I valued.

[Militant X 1]

14 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Regarding Correa:

(Q2, 11:28) Tolzien threw right for Ferguson over the leaping Correa.  Sandusky called the ball tipped.  I'm not positive it was but Correa altered the throw at a minimum. No PD was credited in the Gamebook.

(Q2, 8:41) Davis and Correa rush side by side from the OLS and Correa leapt high to deflect Tolzien's pass.  Orr came close to an athletic interception among the linemen.

It wasn't Filmstudy. Although Correa did jump up to try and deflect the pass, the ball hit and bounced off of Ferguson's hands.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

5 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

This is the point I was talking about. You could not have paid attention that well if you never saw him on the field.  Especially when he played 20+ plays and some of them were impact plays. You said it, not me. 

He played a whole 20 snaps in a whole game? Wow! And on how many of those snaps did he actually do anything? From what I am hearing you all try to tell me...two. Now I don't recall hearing Correa's name being called for a tipped pass, but I do remember hearing Urban's name being called for one and it is kind of hard to confuse him with anyone else considering he's the one wearing that huge arm brace.

So key me in on what impact plays he made? Missing some tackles, getting blown up, and dropping a pass thrown at him? He MAY have tipped a ball or perhaps influenced the way a ball was thrown. That's what we're talking about here? I mean the way they were talking him up in camp he should have 5 sacks by now.

I'm sorry, you're just going to have to forgive me if I don't recall a guy being somewhere near a play in most of the time he was on the field. It means his game time was forgettable. Not exactly what you're expecting from a guy getting so much hype. Granted maybe the Ravens are trying to hide him a bit and not give away everything they're planning on doing with him in the regular season which I would buy and also think is a smart idea. But don't try to tell me a guy is playing like gangbusters when he clearly isn't.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, Newsome is Awesome said:

Colts Drive 1
Elam, Correa and Judon not in. Correa gets in on goal line defense, overpowered by Colts right tackle, though got his facemask incidentally.

Colts 3-0
Raven Drive 1, will focus on Stanley

1-Run to right side away from Big Stanley, he misses cut block again, minimal gain
2-Big Stanley gets part of his man on a cut block that doesn't take him down, Partial Year starter,  they run away from Big Stanley again to right for minimal gain
3-Big Stanley has a rook LB take him long and is lucky pass is quick...
Rook that almost beat Stanley roughs punter drive continues
4-Big Stanley on Part Year starter again, gets bulled backwards but neutralizes him on Gilmore Drop
5-Stanley gets beat by 2nd move of Roughing rook, but quick pass out prevents any damage
6-Stanley off half a beat quick due to Roughing Rook on him again. Refs don't call it and Rook beats Big Stanley outside but quick throw prevents any damage.
7-Stanley literally punches Roughing Rook in head, Refs somehow don't see it, but that will not fly.  You gotta look at his play 7 on the film. Unreal. I grade Stanley very poorly for these two drives against nondescript players. My grades do not get reduced to a number. Not at BPU.  Ravens punt

Colts 2nd Drive
Believe Elam is in and gets stoned on a  blitz
Elam does make 1st of his two tackles next play.....have to note its a dive and not an arms tackle and leaves a man early that could have beat him for a TD. 
Elam makes his second tackle, but loses coverage on man
Elam beat in a couple steps but colts fumble

Ravens 3rd Drive
8-Run to stanleys side and he makes handsy seal vs 12 year vet, non starter end of year.
9-They Run at Big Stanley and being kind he looks awkward. Actually grabs the  defender from behind while he is tackling ball carrier. No gain.
10-Non Factor, rollout right, 1st down
11-Does a good job pass blocking on Sack Zed for a year DE
12-Fair block on starting linkbacker, very handsy.....gonna be lucky if he doesn't get called for holding as the Refs get his wind of his preference. No gain
13-Does a good job on OLB, full year starter,  forcing him out....TD

Colts next Drive
Correa in this drive
Contrary he does not touch ball against 2nd string LT
Correa unblocked has ball thrown right into him.
Missed field goat 7-3

Ravens
14-Good Pass block..completion
15-Does good job on Roughing Rook this time on run
16-Does an adequate job on non starting big LB........Ravens punt

Colts Drive for filed goal

Well, thats enough. No need to go into the second half with 3rd stringers.  What one can't dismiss is that for the second game in a row we did not look good while it was 1st team vs 1st team. Hopefully that means we are slow starters, cuz that can be overcome.
Big Stanley started poorly and played better as the game went on. Still waiting to see him on dedicated QB rushers. He's gonna have to watch his hands.
Judon has a motor and will play large for us barring injury. He was my favorite in this draft.
Matt Elam became invisible after a couple plays he appeared in. 
Correa has a ways to go as well.
Essentially we won a close one and that's good for morale.
 

There ya go.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm a little late to this party, however, I do want to add onto your comment here in response to this post below:

I think you should look at it a little more objectively with all the facts present. I am by no means an Elam apologist, however, let's look at the facts regarding this fifth-year option we abstained from applying:

1. Elam is coming off of an injury.

2. Elam hasn't looked good since arguably 2013, and that's even debatable.

3. The fifth-year option is fully guaranteed in the event of an injury. 

With these facts, why apply the fifth-year option to Elam when he could get hurt and lose another year, which may cause him to collect that check? That doesn't seem to make a ton of sense for the Ravens. Obviously, if he was playing awesome Newsome wouldn't have called him out and said that he needed to play better, and we would've likely picked up the fifth-year option like we did with Jimmy. This is all obvious. What can't be missed is that there are other variables outside of skill. 

You are actually making my point for me. If Elam was living up to expectations they would have taken that 5th year option without even a second's hesitation. I'd actually have to do some research to see when the last time the Ravens declined a 5th year option on a first round draft pick. I certainly can't recall the last time it happened.

[Newsome is Awesome]

4 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You are actually making my point for me. If Elam was living up to expectations they would have taken that 5th year option without even a second's hesitation. I'd actually have to do some research to see when the last time the Ravens declined a 5th year option on a first round draft pick. I certainly can't recall the last time it happened.

After isolating Elam on the couple plays he appeared to make tackles they turned from tackles into at best middling plays. Can't believe he makes this team, but there is likely one thing worse than an early round bad draft pick for a Front Office.  It's cutting a high draft pick, they eventually determined to be a bad draft pick, only to have him blossom somewhere else. That scenario makes someone look very silly and so there certainly is some hesitation about Elam now.

[757RavensFan]

4 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

He played a whole 20 snaps in a whole game? Wow! And on how many of those snaps did he actually do anything? From what I am hearing you all try to tell me...two. Now I don't recall hearing Correa's name being called for a tipped pass, but I do remember hearing Urban's name being called for one and it is kind of hard to confuse him with anyone else considering he's the one wearing that huge arm brace.

So key me in on what impact plays he made? Missing some tackles, getting blown up, and dropping a pass thrown at him? He MAY have tipped a ball or perhaps influenced the way a ball was thrown. That's what we're talking about here? I mean the way they were talking him up in camp he should have 5 sacks by now.

I'm sorry, you're just going to have to forgive me if I don't recall a guy being somewhere near a play in most of the time he was on the field. It means his game time was forgettable. Not exactly what you're expecting from a guy getting so much hype. Granted maybe the Ravens are trying to hide him a bit and not give away everything they're planning on doing with him in the regular season which I would buy and also think is a smart idea. But don't try to tell me a guy is playing like gangbusters when he clearly isn't.

I like the way you backpedal, you should tryout to play CB next year.  Just admit it, you were not paying attention to the game if you didnt see Correa playing.  Correa came off the corner on a blitz and was 3 yrds deep in the backfield and jumped to block the pass.  Its not like he tipped a pass on the defensive side of the ball. He forced the QB to throw quickly on the blitz and he tipped the pass in the process.  That's 2 impact plays on 1 down.  BTW, 20 plays is a lot in an early preseason game 

One parting shot, it's OK to admit you're wrong.  Its a good character trait. 

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You are actually making my point for me. If Elam was living up to expectations they would have taken that 5th year option without even a second's hesitation. I'd actually have to do some research to see when the last time the Ravens declined a 5th year option on a first round draft pick. I certainly can't recall the last time it happened.

Considering it just started in 2011, this is the first time...

[BmoreBird22]

6 hours ago, Filmstudy said:

Me too.  Their pass-blocking scores are extremely event driven.  So if you give up a pressure, QH, or Sack, it's a negative score, but if you don't you did your job on the play no matter how bad you look in the process (that matches my method).  They do not charge a lineman if his assignment bats a pass, but that's the same as allowing a pressure in my system.

Through 2014 I had regular communication with Ben Stockwell who leads their review team to go over QHs and pressure results for Ravens linemen. Unfortunately when they walled off the count and signature statistics in 2015 (the old $26.99 annual package now costs $1,500), they also lost the transparency and free review of fans around the NFL with granular information.  Don't get me wrong, they still offer a great product and have changed the way football is watched/understood, but it was the count statistics much more than the grades that I valued.

$1,500? What....

That's what I used to use because when I watch a game, I'm not adding up receptions, targets, where Flacco is throwing as far as depth of the field, etc. That's crazy that they'd make it that expensive and I wonder why they did it that way.

I still like reading their articles, but I liked seeing the numbers behind the grades.

[Newsome is Awesome]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I forgot to add that, but that was a point I wanted to make, too. Jimmy got around $7M, but it is based off of the position average and not the draft spot. I think he would've gotten close to if not the same as Eric Reid, who got $5.6M for the fifth year option. That's a lot to lose if he [Elam] becomes injured. We could re-sign him for possibly less, or let him go in FA and get a comp. 

Eric Reid?.....Yah, not even in the same stadium.  Check out Reid's read, catch and athleticism on his TD vs Denver. Granting it was against a 3rd string QB. Reid had a poor year last year, but not as poor as our 1st rounder from that same draft has played.

10 hours ago, Edgar said:

It's way too early to worry about Correa but I would agree that his performance in two pre-season games fails to measure up to the hype of training camp.

He is a high pick who really hasn't jumped off the film to this point.  He really has no answer when an offensive lineman gets hands on him first. 

 

Correa deserves time. He's definitely got a high motor and enthusiasm. He reminds me of a young Rey Maualuga.  Not sure about his NFL football instincts, but they can develop.

14 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

Chief , Stanley has offensive rookie of the year potential. Very polished for a rookie. 

Really?

[VermontRaven]

9 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

d from applying:

1. Elam is coming off of an injury.

 

7 hours ago, lgcs27288 said:

To be fair the announcers probably gave the credit to Keenan Reynolds or Kenneth Dixon or something like that.

Yeah, the announcers were terrible.  At one point they called Terrance West Matt Elam and called Crockett Gillmore Crockett Ivory.  I was amazed at how horrible the announcing was (for the half of the game that NFL Network let me see)

[rmw10]

5 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

You are actually making my point for me. If Elam was living up to expectations they would have taken that 5th year option without even a second's hesitation. I'd actually have to do some research to see when the last time the Ravens declined a 5th year option on a first round draft pick. I certainly can't recall the last time it happened.

I really don't get what you're not understanding about any of this, but I'll try to keep it simple...

Elam was not living up to expectations, and for that reason, we declined the option.  Of course, the Ravens had no trust in him, so they made a move to hopefully improve the S situation.  However, that doesn't mean Elam hasn't looked to have improved.  No one is calling him a superstar in the making.  They've noticed that he's improved and looks like he could be a viable depth candidate for us.  There's nothing more to it.  It's really that simple.  Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Somerset Ravens]

10 minutes ago, VermontRaven said:

 

Yeah, the announcers were terrible.  At one point they called Terrance West Matt Elam and called Crockett Gillmore Crockett Ivory.  I was amazed at how horrible the announcing was (for the half of the game that NFL Network let me see)

Both Gerry Sandusky and Stan White leave much to be desired. They often call the wrong players during their coverage. Sandusky and White didn't know that defensive holding is a five yard penalty.  After watching a few games on the NFL network it shows me that other cities get much better local game coverage than Baltimore does.

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20 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Both Gerry Sandusky and Stan White leave much to be desired. They often call the wrong players during their coverage. Sandusky and White didn't know that defensive holding is a five yard penalty.  After watching a few games on the NFL network it shows me that other cities get much better local game coverage than Baltimore does.

The NFLN broadcast was the Colts announcers.

[RavensFanMania]

21 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Also noticed last night that Keenan Reynolds didn't get any attempts on returns.  That doesn't bode well for his chances as that was probably his key to the roster, but they clearly want Campanaro handling that job.  Reynolds did have a couple of tackles on ST though.

I'd rather someone else besides Camp handle k/o and p/r duties.  Why give him more opportunities to get injured.