The good, the not so good pre-season game 2

[757RavensFan]

20 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Chief , Stanley has offensive rookie of the year potential. Very polished for a rookie. 

I cant see that award going to an O-Lineman. Not even close. 

Edited August 21, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[TurkishRaven]

What happened to Tavon Young? Is he injured? 

[jimmypowder]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

I cant see that award going to an O-Linemen. Not even close. 

Ok bro 

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, TurkishRaven said:

What happened to Tavon Young? Is he injured? 

He missed some time last week but returned a few days before the game.  I'd guess they were just being cautious with him.

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How can you "ditto that" when Correa did NOT have a couple of tackles? He's got one tackle on the whole pre season.

He probably "ditto that", to the not paying attention part, since you stated you didn't even see him in the game.  If I had to guess. 

[757RavensFan]

3 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Ok bro 

I'm just saying. An O-Lineman has NEVER won Offensive Rookie of the Year. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award#Offensive_ROTY_Winners_.281967.E2.80.93present.29

[jimmypowder]

5 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I'm just saying. An O-Lineman has NEVER won Offensive Rookie of the Year. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Rookie_of_the_Year_Award#Offensive_ROTY_Winners_.281967.E2.80.93present.29

Always a first. 

 

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Always a first. 

 

757 has a point.  There is nothing sexy about an OL and its pretty hard to judge their performance compared to a WR/RB/QB who can load up there stat sheet. 

[Filmstudy]

33 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Didn't he play more snaps though?

Stanley played 25 non-penalty snaps, up from 22 in the opener.

Regarding the offensive RoY talk...I probably would also have called that impossible a few years back, but PFF has changed football by offering grades to compare offensive linemen that are updated weekly.  You don't have to like their grades, but there is much improved information flow on the offensive and defensive lines than there was just a few years ago.

There may not be a great rookie QB this season, which improves his chances, but he'll need to play very well. 

[KBoum]

13 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Stanley played 25 non-penalty snaps, up from 22 in the opener.

Regarding the offensive RoY talk...I probably would also have called that impossible a few years back, but PFF has changed football by offering grades to compare offensive linemen that are updated weekly.  You don't have to like their grades, but there is much improved information flow on the offensive and defensive lines than there was just a few years ago.

There may not be a great rookie QB this season, which improves his chances, but he'll need to play very well. 

I understand this and I agree with you, but we have to keep in mind this is a league that needs to sell tickets. Its an entertainement business first and foremost so at the end of the day, when they give that kind of award to a skill position player, they get the approval and entertain more fans so they keep them happy. Even if we, as Ravens fan, would think this is not fair, this is a business. If Elliot gets 7-8 TDs, he'll be ROY. They need to keep the Dallas fan base happy. 

 

Who are the first 3 jerseys in term of numbers of sales ? Dez, Romo, Elliot. This is where the money is. Even if Stanley plays at a pro bowl caliber, as soon as a guy like Elliot gets a little bit of stats he should win.

[Inqui]

55 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

Always a first. 

 

Speaking as the (self-proclaimed) president of the Ronnie Stanley Fan Club, I'd be stunned if he won ORoY. Even if he plays a perfect season where he seals off running lanes (as opposed to blowing people off the ball) and shuts down every single pass rusher on every single snap, he won't get much national attention simply because his job is to shut down his part of the LoS. Even yesterday I don't remember the commentator mentioning his name, which means he was doing a fantastic job out there but it doesn't translate to plaudits. My money's still on Zeke Elliott to get it, but that wouldn't mean he had a better season than Stanley by any stretch.

I think a better question is whether he'll make either the Pro Bowl or one of the All-Pro teams. Sadly I don't think he has the name recognition to make the Pro Bowl (yet) but if he has a great season and continues to build on it he should earn a lot of plaudits in his career.

[BmoreBird22]

Through two games, Ronnie Stanley is PFF's highest graded rookie

[Raven'evermore]

I think Weddle might have had a lot to do with Elam's turnaround.  Sometimes all it takes is the right person to lift you back up.  I also think that maybe Elam was part of the reason for signing Weddle.  Just a guess.  Btw:  People are talking about Stanley missing cut blocks, but weren't they outlawed this season?  I dunno.

[allblackraven]

Finally got around to watching the game.

I thought Rick Wagner looked awesome. Butler was good again. The way Dixon and West are going, I'm not sure Buck Allen will be able to keep RB 2 spot for much longer. Forsett better pick up the pace, too.

Weddle is seriously good, still closing fast. Orr and McClellan look good, as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing Judon get some reps with firsts in the next game. He seems like making a very nice progress.

[Filmstudy]

26 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Through two games, Ronnie Stanley is PFF's highest graded rookie

That is really cool.

[Filmstudy]

4 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

I think Weddle might have had a lot to do with Elam's turnaround.  Sometimes all it takes is the right person to lift you back up.  I also think that maybe Elam was part of the reason for signing Weddle.  Just a guess.  Btw:  People are talking about Stanley missing cut blocks, but weren't they outlawed this season?  I dunno.

Side-by-side high-low blocks are no longer allowed, but a single blocker can still block an opponent low.  Take a look at the first 2 plays, if you have the video.  Those are legal cut block attempts.

[BmoreBird22]

1 minute ago, Filmstudy said:

That is really cool.

I don't have an account to see the breakdown, but I'd imagine his pass blocking earned some high marks.

[Raven'evermore]

1 minute ago, Filmstudy said:

Side-by-side high-low blocks are no longer allowed, but a single blocker can still block an opponent low.  Take a look at the first 2 plays, if you have the video.  Those are legal cut block attempts.

 Thank's, now I know.

[Raven'evermore]

34 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Through two games, Ronnie Stanley is PFF's highest graded rookie

 I'm sorry, Larry who?

[Ravensfan23]

Wow OROY talk for a guy that some said was a fall back pick at 6 and not work the pick. Sounds like Stanley is making really strong impressions. As far as OROY, voters love numbers. I'd say both Dixon and Moore have a better shot just because of the Fantasy Football element of the NFL now. However if Stanley continues to improve he'll definitely be in Pro Bowl conversations. But I'm not getting ahead of myself, he'll have some really stiff competition this year.

22 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

I think Weddle might have had a lot to do with Elam's turnaround.  Sometimes all it takes is the right person to lift you back up.  I also think that maybe Elam was part of the reason for signing Weddle.  Just a guess.  Btw:  People are talking about Stanley missing cut blocks, but weren't they outlawed this season?  I dunno.

I think that's true for both Elam and Brooks. Lewis and Hill were talented guys but they didn't bring that veteran presence the Ravens hoped they'd have to mentor those young guys when drafted. Now you have an on field coach in Weddle who can take these guys under his wing a lot like Ed Reed do for so many. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

He probably "ditto that", to the not paying attention part, since you stated you didn't even see him in the game.  If I had to guess. 

I did see the game, and I never stated that I didn't. I watched the whole game.

[ludy51]

20 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

 I'm sorry, Larry who?

Its Big now

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 hours ago, RavensFan34950 said:

I'd give him Filmstudy the benefit of the doubt. He actually watches studies the players instead of just looking on espn.com for the final stats. Lol you should do the same sometime.

I did watch the game, LOL, maybe you should too...and I study probably about as much as anyone else of the game we see on TV. You can only see so much from that. The coaches are the ones that will have other game tape that the general public doesn't get to see so they are the ones that will really know what is going on.

I didn't see Correa making any tackles and the stats I looked up confirmed what I saw. 1 tackle the whole pre season. That completely negates the idea that he had a couple of tackles. I also went by the fact that I didn't hear his name called at all during the game, so that must mean he's not doing much. Generally speaking the announcers tell you the names of the players that make the tackles and the plays, right? Or maybe it is just some wild conspiracy against Correa?

[Ravensfan23]

The biggest takeaway from the game about Elam for me was the fact that a lot of his impact came from that 3rd Safety role. If the Ravens can trust Elam to make sound tackles like he did in this defense and Elam can carve out that role he could really turn his career around of sorts. 

People seem to think just because the Elam's 5th year option was picked up he's a goner, he could easily be re-signed to contract cheaper than that option would have paid and crave out a role as that 3rd safety/Dime player. He still has a ton to prove but I think he'll get plenty opportunities this year.

[Sami84]

4 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

People are reading way too much into things...again. The only one being criticized around here seems to be me, but that's fine because I am not toting the company line as it were. I call it like I see it. An open field tackle is no big deal when a player has already gained 5-6 yards off of it or already picked up the first down. Harbaugh got on the team for it and Stan White was mentioning it all last night too. It wasn't just Elam. It was the whole defense. You don't celebrate or praise a tackle after the opponent has already picked up 4+ yards. Harbaugh saw that. Stan White saw that. I saw that.

 

 

hahahahah you only? look at my post history

[Sami84]

9 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I did watch the game, LOL, maybe you should too...and I study probably about as much as anyone else of the game we see on TV. You can only see so much from that. The coaches are the ones that will have other game tape that the general public doesn't get to see so they are the ones that will really know what is going on.

I didn't see Correa making any tackles and the stats I looked up confirmed what I saw. 1 tackle the whole pre season. That completely negates the idea that he had a couple of tackles. I also went by the fact that I didn't hear his name called at all during the game, so that must mean he's not doing much. Generally speaking the announcers tell you the names of the players that make the tackles and the plays, right? Or maybe it is just some wild conspiracy against Correa?

 

i actually said in my pre season review that i felt correa is the type of guy that can go ''missing' in games

[757RavensFan]

35 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I did see the game, and I never stated that I didn't. I watched the whole game.

You stated that you didnt see Correa in the game, when clearly he played. 

Edited August 22, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[BmoreBird22]

33 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I did watch the game, LOL, maybe you should too...and I study probably about as much as anyone else of the game we see on TV. You can only see so much from that. The coaches are the ones that will have other game tape that the general public doesn't get to see so they are the ones that will really know what is going on.

There's this thing called the All-22 that the coaches use and you can buy access to it and I am very certain that @Filmstudy does that, so no, I'm certain he went and rewatched the game with the All-22 and broke down each individual player. 

Have you ever read an article by him?

[ravensdfan]

Yes it's preseason. Still, I have yet to see anything that gives me any iota of confidence that this defense has improved even minutely - let alone to any great degree. That is concerning.

[Willbacker]

39 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I did see the game, and I never stated that I didn't. I watched the whole game.

I guess you missed the batted ball and I clearly remember the announcer saying Correa. There was even 2 or 3 replays and you're saying you never heard his name mentioned.

 

1 minute ago, ravensdfan said:

Yes it's preseason. Still, I have yet to see anything that gives me any iota of confidence that this defense has improved even minutely - let alone to any great degree. That is concerning.

To be fair and I'm definitely not a Pees lover but it was mainly 4 man passrushes. Altho the push was lacking. But hey Pees was on the sidelines so John can yell at him.