The good, the not so good pre-season game 2

[EdTheMythicalOne]

8 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Oh, so it takes a genius to understand an open field tackle is a great play that turns a would-be big play into a minor gain, if not a TFL.

Sorry I couldn't get that.

People are reading way too much into things...again. The only one being criticized around here seems to be me, but that's fine because I am not toting the company line as it were. I call it like I see it. An open field tackle is no big deal when a player has already gained 5-6 yards off of it or already picked up the first down. Harbaugh got on the team for it and Stan White was mentioning it all last night too. It wasn't just Elam. It was the whole defense. You don't celebrate or praise a tackle after the opponent has already picked up 4+ yards. Harbaugh saw that. Stan White saw that. I saw that.

 

Edited August 21, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Elam did make some plays last night and hats off to him for doing his job but for me personally I need to see more. But like I said he made some plays last night he just needs to keep doing it for me to buy in. 

[Tank 92]

I haven't seen or read anything where Matt Elam has been crowned King Rappascrappa. All anyone is saying is that it looks like the light has come on and he is playing well. I really don't understand the controversy. 

[757RavensFan]

Replay is on CSN right now. 

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I haven't seen or read anything where Matt Elam has been crowned King Rappascrappa. All anyone is saying is that it looks like the light has come on and he is playing well. I really don't understand the controversy. 

That's where I'm at after reading this.  Matt Elam has played well in 2 consecutive games.  Superstar?  No.  Quality depth?  Looks like it so far.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

I haven't seen or read anything where Matt Elam has been crowned King Rappascrappa. All anyone is saying is that it looks like the light has come on and he is playing well. I really don't understand the controversy. 

Me either. My opinion differs is all.

[Jacquouille]

15 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

People are reading way too much into things...again. The only one being criticized around here seems to be me, but that's fine because I am not toting the company line as it were. I call it like I see it. An open field tackle is no big deal when a player has already gained 5-6 yards off of it or already picked up the first down. Harbaugh got on the team for it and Stan White was mentioning it all last night too. It wasn't just Elam. It was the whole defense. You don't celebrate or praise a tackle after the opponent has already picked up 4+ yards. Harbaugh saw that. Stan White saw that. I saw that.

 

I didn't see it, but when it is described as "drive ending", I'm pretty okay with "guessing" the guy didn't get the 1st down.

[Wildabeast88]

My thoughts are he looked better not perfect but better than he has been obviously it was mostly his improved tackling didn't  notice him in coverage much or nothing that stood out good or bad. I saw let's go with that and see what September brings before we can truly judge his play but it is much improved.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I didn't see it, but when it is described as "drive ending", I'm pretty okay with "guessing" the guy didn't get the 1st down.

Who exactly described one, or any, of his plays as "drive ending." I mean the Colts did punt a few times that game so apparently a lot of guys made "drive ending" plays too.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Am I wrong or did the Ravens not go out and completely re-vamp their entire starting safety crew. That's right they did. Now, I wonder what they based that off of. Did they base that off of what they thought Matt Elam might do in pre season football games against second and third string players, or did they base that off of previous seasons and his performance up to this point. Did they decide to waive his fifth year option on his rookie year because of what he hadn't done yet in pre season football (because they did that prior to the pre season games starting) or based off of previous seasons?

Try to remember that Elam was coming off a torn biceps last year and hadn't played the entire year. Based off of what they had last year, they needed to revamp that safety crew, but that crew did not include Elam.

[BmoreBird22]

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/21/filmstudy/no-man-unmuddied/

Matt Elam again had a well graded game from @Filmstudy, his second in a row. I'd like to think the switch is turning on for Elam. How did you grade out Stanley, by the way?

Edited August 21, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Filmstudy]

Hi folks.  My comments and grades for the defensive players are posted now:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/21/filmstudy/no-man-unmuddied/

Very interesting game defensively with Pees reverting to nickel for almost the entire game (probably due to injuries).  Levine played the entire 2nd half as the slot corner, a position that forced a number of coverages well down the field with unimpressive team results (but demonstrated cover ability).  He was outstanding in short space where he will be used as the dime.

Not sure about the Jerraud Powers hook.  Has anyone seen an injury note on him, or was that done for ineffectiveness?  Elam had the first shot playing nickel after he left, which is also out of position for him, but that's where he made the 2 open-field tackles in 4 plays.

"Drive ending" is a term I use for tackles.  I distinguish them from others, because they have higher leverage and any tackle that makes the other team punt or otherwise give up possession has value.

On a day of fairly lousy pass rush, the Ravens still had some individual standouts Judon, Urban, Correa.

I thought the major letdown was the offensive line, which I'm looking at now and will post tomorrow.

[Filmstudy]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/21/filmstudy/no-man-unmuddied/

Matt Elam again had a well graded game from @Filmstudy, his second in a row. I'd like to think the switch is turning on for Elam. How did you grade out Stanley, by the way?

Working on it now.  Stanley played 4 series, but was not as impressive as in the opener.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Filmstudy said:

Working on it now.  Stanley played 4 series, but was not as impressive as in the opener.

I thought pass blocking was definitely stronger for him than run blocking in this game.

Eager to see him go against Ziggy Ansah for a good half next week.

[Filmstudy]

2 hours ago, rmw10 said:

To an extent.  Sometimes you can do everything right in coverage - stay tight on the hip and run step for step with the guy - but the ball is still complete.  Sometimes there's just a perfect throw where a CB has no chance to make a play on it.  It happens.  Although you can say beat, I don't think it's a fair representation.

I agree, rmw10.

I look at coverage a little differently.  Maybe think of it this way...the defender needs to use his "coverage radius" to defend the receiver's catch radius under then enormous constraints of the rulebook, which favor the offensive player.  Part of doing so effectively means you frighten the opposing QB with an interception by being in position to do so if the ball is off the mark.  None of this stops NFL QBs from throwing deep balls up for grabs into single coverage, because of the offensive advantages.

The drop behind Levine (Q4, 10:45) was an example of good coverage where he still needed the receiver to fail to collect the football.

[Filmstudy]

5 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

You must not have paid attention, he played a lot. A couple of tackles and a pass deflection on a blitz. 

Ditto that.  Correa either had 2 batted passes or altered the throw on the 2nd.  He only played 20 snaps.  Very solid game.

[757RavensFan]

19 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Hi folks.  My comments and grades for the defensive players are posted now:

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/08/21/filmstudy/no-man-unmuddied/

Very interesting game defensively with Pees reverting to nickel for almost the entire game (probably due to injuries).  Levine played the entire 2nd half as the slot corner, a position that forced a number of coverages well down the field with unimpressive team results (but demonstrated cover ability).  He was outstanding in short space where he will be used as the dime.

Not sure about the Jerraud Powers hook.  Has anyone seen an injury note on him, or was that done for ineffectiveness?  Elam had the first shot playing nickel after he left, which is also out of position for him, but that's where he made the 2 open-field tackles in 4 plays.

"Drive ending" is a term I use for tackles.  I distinguish them from others, because they have higher leverage and any tackle that makes the other team punt or otherwise give up possession has value.

On a day of fairly lousy pass rush, the Ravens still had some individual standouts Judon, Urban, Correa.

I thought the major letdown was the offensive line, which I'm looking at now and will post tomorrow.

Hey man we appreciate everything you and Mrs Filmstudy do!  Thanks for the great work. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

4 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

Ditto that.  Correa either had 2 batted passes or altered the throw on the 2nd.  He only played 20 snaps.  Very solid game.

How can you "ditto that" when Correa did NOT have a couple of tackles? He's got one tackle on the whole pre season.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

32 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Try to remember that Elam was coming off a torn biceps last year and hadn't played the entire year. Based off of what they had last year, they needed to revamp that safety crew, but that crew did not include Elam.

They decided to decline his 5th year option before the pre season started. You're going to tell me they didn't have plans to replace him already? It most certainly did have something to do with Elam because they found out he wasn't the answer going forward.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

People are reading way too much into things...again. The only one being criticized around here seems to be me, but that's fine because I am not toting the company line as it were. I call it like I see it. An open field tackle is no big deal when a player has already gained 5-6 yards off of it or already picked up the first down. Harbaugh got on the team for it and Stan White was mentioning it all last night too. It wasn't just Elam. It was the whole defense. You don't celebrate or praise a tackle after the opponent has already picked up 4+ yards. Harbaugh saw that. Stan White saw that. I saw that.

 

We have been a pretty poor tackling team the past few years.  Maybe that's why people are so happy about seeing them execute basic football fundamentals.

[RavensFan34950]

26 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How can you "ditto that" when Correa did NOT have a couple of tackles? He's got one tackle on the whole pre season.

I'd give him Filmstudy the benefit of the doubt. He actually watches studies the players instead of just looking on espn.com for the final stats. Lol you should do the same sometime.

[Tank 92]

24 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

They decided to decline his 5th year option before the pre season started. You're going to tell me they didn't have plans to replace him already? It most certainly did have something to do with Elam because they found out he wasn't the answer going forward.

No doubt they have a contingency plan, but you can be guaranteed that if he performs the way they want the Ravens won't just kick him to the curb.  And NO, they haven't yet found out he isn't the answer going forward. He would already be gone if they had given up on him.   smh

[ThatsMyJoeTerback]

Good: Resiliency of the team, especially Levine. 

Not good: Corners, starting defense 

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

They decided to decline his 5th year option before the pre season started. You're going to tell me they didn't have plans to replace him already? It most certainly did have something to do with Elam because they found out he wasn't the answer going forward.

Based on two years of play, yes, they decided to decline, but they entirely lost his third year and had no way of knowing whether he improved (like he has shown so far), so they had to factor him as an unknown and you don't go into the season with unknowns if you can avoid it.

[jazz1988]

4 hours ago, Sami84 said:

I said it was a mistake to give jimmy that contract ..should have given it to McpHee.

 

McPhee is everything jernigan,davis and urban appear to be not..

 

 

been very disappointed in those 3 so far.

It took Mcphee until his fourth season to play as well as he did .The regular season hasn't begun yet and for all you know Jernigan and others may have a better season than Mcphee.

[jimmypowder]

Ive seen definite improvement in Elam. He is tackling better,which was not a strongpoint. He seems more

instinctive which I never thought i would see. 

Maybe he finally gets it. Ive seen enough to keep him, that's for sure. 

Is it possible he was just thinking too much out on the field and not playing? 

Edited August 21, 2016 by jimmypowder

[Filmstudy]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I thought pass blocking was definitely stronger for him than run blocking in this game.

Eager to see him go against Ziggy Ansah for a good half next week.

I really need to wait to comment until I'm done scoring.

I had 4 plays scored when I made the original "not as impressive" comment and that included missed cut blocks on the first 2 snaps.  After that, Stanley was near perfect.  I charged him (harshly) with a shared pressure (Q2, 1:04) where he gave ground, but Lewis got backed up into Johnson.  Aggregate raw score for Stanley was .84, which would translate to a low A at tackle including adjustment.

Technically, he was "not as impressive" as the first game, but still very impressive.

[BmoreBird22]

Just now, Filmstudy said:

I really need to wait to comment until I'm done scoring.

I had 4 plays scored when I made the original "not as impressive" comment and that included missed cut blocks on the first 2 snaps.  After that, Stanley was near perfect.  I charged him (harshly) with a shared pressure (Q2, 1:04) where he gave ground, but Lewis got backed up into Johnson.  Aggregate raw score for Stanley was .84, which would translate to a low A at tackle including adjustment.

Technically, he was "not as impressive" as the first game, but still very impressive.

I noticed the missed cut block from the get go, but I'm glad to hear he did well because I kinda stopped watching him because it's boring to just see someone dominate all game long at tackle. 

I'm gonna be looking forward to seeing the notes for the offense on this game.

[jimmypowder]

2 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

I really need to wait to comment until I'm done scoring.

I had 4 plays scored when I made the original "not as impressive" comment and that included missed cut blocks on the first 2 snaps.  After that, Stanley was near perfect.  I charged him (harshly) with a shared pressure (Q2, 1:04) where he gave ground, but Lewis got backed up into Johnson.  Aggregate raw score for Stanley was .84, which would translate to a low A at tackle including adjustment.

Technically, he was "not as impressive" as the first game, but still very impressive.

Chief , Stanley has offensive rookie of the year potential. Very polished for a rookie. 

[Jacquouille]

17 minutes ago, Filmstudy said:

I really need to wait to comment until I'm done scoring.

I had 4 plays scored when I made the original "not as impressive" comment and that included missed cut blocks on the first 2 snaps.  After that, Stanley was near perfect.  I charged him (harshly) with a shared pressure (Q2, 1:04) where he gave ground, but Lewis got backed up into Johnson.  Aggregate raw score for Stanley was .84, which would translate to a low A at tackle including adjustment.

Technically, he was "not as impressive" as the first game, but still very impressive.

Didn't he play more snaps though?

 

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

How can you "ditto that" when Correa did NOT have a couple of tackles? He's got one tackle on the whole pre season.

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