The good, the not so good pre-season game 2

[SeaHawk]

I just think it's awesome how a guy drafted in the 4th doesn't even showcase his supposed "one trick pony" skill, yet he completely impresses in other ways. From football intelligence, to solid hands/routes, he was balling out.

Judon and Stanley both impressed as well. Judon looks special, like he plays with a chip on his shoulder. His second sack was amazing, just drilling into the QB without forgetting how to properly wrap up for the tackle. So many times you see a guy going for a big sack and he completely whiffs and the QB gets to live to see another day on the play. As for Stanley, he is definitely showing why he was drafted at 6. Not only his skills, but his smarts and leadership potential along the line is a beauty to see.

Orr also did great, he always seems to find the hole to the backfield and knifes his way through. Reminds me a lot of Bart Scott actually.

[757RavensFan]

I missed what happened to Waller, how did he get a sprained jaw?

[rossihunter2]

3 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

I missed what happened to Waller, how did he get a sprained jaw?

It was the same injury that got him checked out under concussion protocol but otherwise I'm completely sure

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, rossihunter2 said:

It was the same injury that got him checked out under concussion protocol but otherwise I'm completely sure

Yeah but what happened?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

There is a lot to actually dissect here and I know a lot of people don't like reading long posts so I will try to just briefly touch on things.

The Bad:

Something nobody has mentioned: The penalties! Lots and lots of them. Willie Henry had one of the most egregious ones late in the game up by a point on 4th and long...the LAST thing you should do is jump offside. Guys were jumping all night long.

Offensive line: In running game: No holes were opened up all night long no matter who was in the game. Our best running came from broken passing plays with Josh Johnson. T. West also over thought plays and tried to cut back and get cute instead of taking what was there when there was something there to be taken. He looked bad. Jensen got completely ran over on a goal line run. Pass protection looked okay for most of the game, but broke down several times.

Pass Defense: Look at the numbers. Luck was 8/8 for 71 yards in barely 1 quarter of work. Tolzien 13/18 107 1TD. Morris (who?) 7/11 66 1TD. Guys were open, guys were making catches, and our pass defense was playing catch up all night long. If it weren't for the fumble forced by McClellan this game might have been a loss.

The Good:

Ryan Mallett and Josh Johnson looked good. Both of them led scoring drives and Johnson once again showed the ability to make something happen with his feet.

Anthony Levine: He stumbled on coverage in one play and got bailed out by a dropped pass, then there was a pass interference call that I think in this new age of football probably does get called in regular season despite what all of the homer announcers said about it. Levine had his hands all over the guy when he was running down field. You can't do that and expect to get away with it. It gets called all the time whether the "path of the receiver is impeded" or not. He came up big on some run plays, and of course had that 2pt conversion pick off and return. There was a run play he tried to crash down on and completely whiffed when he was in at dime linebacker, but over all he had a pretty good game.

The two minute drill: Lots of good patterns and good play from Josh Johnson capped off by a perfect example of a fade route by Butler.

McClellan forcing a turnover. Judon was really the only one causing pressure. Orr made some nice plays.

I see a number of posts complimenting Elam for a good game. I won't be adding to that. I won't commend a guy for actually making tackles at the NFL level. That is what he's supposed to do. He made zero impact plays, but he wasn't the only one. Correa was once again invisible. In fact I watched the entire game and I didn't actually see him on the field or hear his name mentioned once. There was zero pass rush for most of the game. Temper Judon's sacks with the fact he's going up against the 3rd stringers. The coverage was bad for most of the game.

Edited August 21, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne

[bravensfan52]

Ocho is going to IR. We all know it. He injured his pinky in a non contact drill

 

And remembered Chris Moore's scouting report stating if he wasn't always injured he would have been mid to low second rounder. I'll see if I can find it

Edited August 21, 2016 by bravensfan52

[757RavensFan]

31 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

There is a lot to actually dissect here and I know a lot of people don't like reading long posts so I will try to just briefly touch on things.

The Bad:

Something nobody has mentioned: The penalties! Lots and lots of them. Willie Henry had one of the most egregious ones late in the game up by a point on 4th and long...the LAST thing you should do is jump offside. Guys were jumping all night long.

Offensive line: In running game: No holes were opened up all night long no matter who was in the game. Our best running came from broken passing plays with Josh Johnson. T. West also over thought plays and tried to cut back and get cute instead of taking what was there when there was something there to be taken. He looked bad. Jensen got completely ran over on a goal line run. Pass protection looked okay for most of the game, but broke down several times.

Pass Defense: Look at the numbers. Luck was 8/8 for 71 yards in barely 1 quarter of work. Tolzien 13/18 107 1TD. Morris (who?) 7/11 66 1TD. Guys were open, guys were making catches, and our pass defense was playing catch up all night long. If it weren't for the fumble forced by McClellan this game might have been a loss.

The Good:

Ryan Mallett and Josh Johnson looked good. Both of them led scoring drives and Johnson once again showed the ability to make something happen with his feet.

Anthony Levine: He stumbled on coverage in one play and got bailed out by a dropped pass, then there was a pass interference call that I think in this new age of football probably does get called in regular season despite what all of the homer announcers said about it. Levine had his hands all over the guy when he was running down field. You can't do that and expect to get away with it. It gets called all the time whether the "path of the receiver is impeded" or not. He came up big on some run plays, and of course had that 2pt conversion pick off and return. There was a run play he tried to crash down on and completely whiffed when he was in at dime linebacker, but over all he had a pretty good game.

The two minute drill: Lots of good patterns and good play from Josh Johnson capped off by a perfect example of a fade route by Butler.

McClellan forcing a turnover. Judon was really the only one causing pressure. Orr made some nice plays.

I see a number of posts complimenting Elam for a good game. I won't be adding to that. I won't commend a guy for actually making tackles at the NFL level. That is what he's supposed to do. He made zero impact plays, but he wasn't the only one. Correa was once again invisible. In fact I watched the entire game and I didn't actually see him on the field or hear his name mentioned once. There was zero pass rush for most of the game. Temper Judon's sacks with the fact he's going up against the 3rd stringers. The coverage was bad for most of the game.

You must not have paid attention, he played a lot. A couple of tackles and a pass deflection on a blitz. 

Edited August 21, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[Cville-Raven]

33 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

I see a number of posts complimenting Elam for a good game. I won't be adding to that. I won't commend a guy for actually making tackles at the NFL level. That is what he's supposed to do. He made zero impact plays, but he wasn't the only one. 

lol What? He came up and made multiple 1 on 1 open field tackles that prevented the player from converting a first down. Those are impact plays.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

3 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

You must not have paid attention, he played a lot. A couple of tackles and a pass deflection on a blitz. 

Unless the stats are wrong, he is credited with only one tackle so far in the pre season.

I see so far 7 people don't agree with actual stats. Look it up if you don't want to take my word for it.

Edited August 21, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne

[EdTheMythicalOne]

13 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

lol What? He came up and made multiple 1 on 1 open field tackles that prevented the player from converting a first down. Those are impact plays.

He made tackles is what you are telling me. Something that every other NFL player does all the time. I am glad some fans are easily impressed.

[reproc01]

Looks like the Ravens play a prevent Defense between the 20's. Can't allow red zone opportunities every drive and act like we achieved something.

• Yards per rush given up.
• Third and longs given up.
• DB's chasing receivers. Few pass break ups.
• Poor tackling.
• Philosophy and mentality need to change, or change Coordinator.
• Any other questions?

[usmccharles]

Its nice and all have the top ranked defense in all those categories, ie rushing yards allowed, passing yards allowed, etc....but the only category I care about...Points.  They drafted certain players to bring back the defense we all love, give it some time, its not going to change in preseason

[Cville-Raven]

8 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

He made tackles is what you are telling me. Something that every other NFL player does all the time. I am glad some fans are easily impressed.

Really?Mosley just let Luck run on by him in open space for the first down. Guess he's a really bad tackler. 

Edited August 21, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 minutes ago, Cville-Raven said:

Really?Mosley just let Luck run on by him in open space for the first down. Guess he's a really bad tackler. 

He looked bad on that play certainly. He got out ran, not missed a tackle. And Elam has a history of not performing well, Mosley does not. Apples to apples please.

[reproc01]

It is still about execution. Not talking about anything but fundamentals and mindset. The same issues seen by this D are the same issues experienced last season. Hope you are right. Speed of the leader. 

[K-Dog]

There is little to no film study and game planning in preseason.  Not not gather any numbers from there since they are pretty worthless. 

[Cville-Raven]

2 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

He looked bad on that play certainly. He got out ran, not missed a tackle. And Elam has a history of not performing well, Mosley does not. Apples to apples please.

Yeah but he shouldn't be getting outran. Thats an open field tackle that should be made as far as I'm concerned. You know who didn't get outran on his plays and made the tackles? Matt Elam. Oh but I guess those can't be recognized because of prior seasons. 

[rmw10]

Elam did more than just making tackles last night.  He was very active, all over the field, and was consistently in good position.

[rmw10]

Also noticed last night that Keenan Reynolds didn't get any attempts on returns.  That doesn't bode well for his chances as that was probably his key to the roster, but they clearly want Campanaro handling that job.  Reynolds did have a couple of tackles on ST though.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I still noticed the corners playing way off the WR's on pre-snap sometimes as much as 10-12 yards off the line of scrimmage.

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

He made tackles is what you are telling me. Something that every other NFL player does all the time. I am glad some fans are easily impressed.

:facepalm:

So when JJ Watt tackles a QB and when Rashad Jones tackles a RB after a 20 yards gain, it's the exact same thing. Okay. 

[Drew P]

12 hours ago, Cville-Raven said:

They didn't really throw Jimmy's way but he did help force a fumble. Elam was amongst the best performers on defense tonight.

jimmy got beat by Dorset on I believe a third an a mile

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Elam did more than just making tackles last night.  He was very active, all over the field, and was consistently in good position.

You know I've said this, but I've long maintained that Elam was usually in a good position, just never finished the tackles. Now he's in the right position AND making the tackle.

[BmoreBird22]

11 minutes ago, Drew P said:

jimmy got beat by Dorset on I believe a third an a mile

Yep. Scott Tolzien rifled in a pass on a crossing pattern. Jimmy had really tight coverage and made a really good play on the ball, but still got in there.

[redlobster]

Might want to give Keenan Lewis a workout after saints cut him. Secondary looks like hot garbage again , after 2 preseason games

[balfan23]

18 minutes ago, Drew P said:

jimmy got beat by Dorset on I believe a third an a mile

Cut him

[Sami84]

22 minutes ago, Drew P said:

jimmy got beat by Dorset on I believe a third an a mile

I said it was a mistake to give jimmy that contract ..should have given it to McpHee.

 

McPhee is everything jernigan,davis and urban appear to be not..

 

 

been very disappointed in those 3 so far.

[Cville-Raven]

31 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

:facepalm:

So when JJ Watt tackles a QB and when Rashad Jones tackles a RB after a 20 yards gain, it's the exact same thing. Okay. 

Even drive stopping open field tackles are the same thing apparently.

Edited August 21, 2016 by Cville-Raven

[BmoreBird22]

28 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

I said it was a mistake to give jimmy that contract ..should have given it to McpHee.

Gives up a reception to a first rounder, so let's cut him.

[sibelius]

37 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yep. Scott Tolzien rifled in a pass on a crossing pattern. Jimmy had really tight coverage and made a really good play on the ball, but still got in there.

 

I find it interesting that only Ravens fans say this kind of thing. I've see the same thing with Levine..."He was in position and had tight coverage but the ball still got there." That means he got beat. It's a DBs job to stop the ball getting there, if not get the ball back.

 

Even Revis gets beat on tight coverage. It's rare but it happens and it's called getting beat. I think we collectively give our DBs way too much leeway in this regard. Jimmy got beat on that play and Levine got beat a few times, let's hold them accountable. (The Levine comments have nothing to do with the quoted post so please don't assume I am putting words in your mouth, just expressing a separate opinion)