[News] Late For Work 8/17: 5 Reasons It Would Be Smart For Breshad Perriman To Start Season On PUP

[FerrariFan87]

Man, even the Steelers' fan base is overrated. But, what else is new? Bandwagon champs!

I'll ride with Ravens Nation all day, every day.

[eze17]

  5 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

You can't practice on PUP.

Perriman can't practice wherever he's at...just saying

[Davesta]

Can players on PUP still run around and practice? I was under the impression they couldn't. So putting him on PUP won't help him build chemistry with flacco

[January J]

I just don't put as much stock into the depth chart as others do. Sure- even if healthy by week 1 I don't think perriman should be the "starter" persay...but he will still see the feild in some capacity..if not just as much as Wallace. Every situation in a game is circumstantial so we will be rotating guys in and out based on the way the defense looks, the play call, etc. So call it what you want, sss,Wallace, Aiken , perriman, Moore, camp... they all will see playing time. 

[rmcjacket23]

Please quit referring to the squealers as black and gold.......look at the colors again......Its black and Yellow................yellow not gold!.....do not mention gold and the squealers in the same sentence.....this is directed to everyone.....the black and yellow sounds like it looks!...Thank You

Actually, no. The official colors of the Pittsburgh Steelers shave been Black and Gold for a long time now.

So calling it Black and Yellow would be inaccurate.

[rmcjacket23]

I just don't put as much stock into the depth chart as others do. Sure- even if healthy by week 1 I don't think perriman should be the "starter" persay...but he will still see the feild in some capacity..if not just as much as Wallace. Every situation in a game is circumstantial so we will be rotating guys in and out based on the way the defense looks, the play call, etc. So call it what you want, sss,Wallace, Aiken , perriman, Moore, camp... they all will see playing time. 

Well, maybe. More than likely at least one of the receivers who makes the team will be a gameday inactive, so they won't be playing at all.

If we only carry 6 on the roster, and one of them (likely Camp or Reynolds) is exclusively a ST player for the most part, most likely we will only dress 5 on gameday.

So if Camp makes it as the returner/WR, that means basically one of either Moore or Perriman would be inactive.

[bioLarzen]

Haha, the perfect typo in a Zrebiec tweet:

"Harbaugh said Suggs is an excellent condition."

Yep. Suggs is an awesome condition for the Ravens

Edited August 17, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

You can't practice on PUP.

Officially.

[cbrook1862]

  3 hours ago, Bohica5 said:

Please quit referring to the squealers as black and gold.......look at the colors again......Its black and Yellow................yellow not gold!.....do not mention gold and the squealers in the same sentence.....this is directed to everyone.....the black and yellow sounds like it looks!...Thank You

Actually, no. The official colors of the Pittsburgh Steelers shave been Black and Gold for a long time now.

So calling it Black and Yellow would be inaccurate.

Just because their colors have been CALLED black and yellow for years, doesn't mean tht's what they are. The Ravens are the only team in the NFL who actually have the color gold in their uniforms/logo. It's not inaccurate it's true

[cbrook1862]

I just want Perriman to get on the field as soon as possible. If he started the season on PUP, it's like missing 5-6 games right? If that happens he might not play at all. C'mon Perriman you can do it. ?

OH hell no he's definitely playing this season. As long as he doesn't re-injure his knee he's playing, it may not be until half way through the season but he's gonna play.

[cbrook1862]

If he passes the condition test before camp ends, then get him in, SSS plays a entirely different game, he is our mid route WR, Perriman is to open the lid on the backend, which will free up more space for SSS....If he gets medical clearance, no sense in waiting, play him ASAP, we drafted him for reason, so lets get him in there......

Exactly. he should be trying as hard as possible to take that conditioning test now that he's running, if he doesn't then that says a lot but his will to play.

[mearzunkies]

  7 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

But it's generally assumed a first round pick is and should be an immediate impact player. I realize at some point draft placement stops being the driver for the depth chart, I don't think Perriman has hit that point yet.

Yes but you typically at least confirm this in training camp/preseason. If nothing else, you assume he's a starter until he's beaten out by somebody else.

But Perriman hasn't had basically any opportunities to show that he can even have a good preseason or training camp, because he isn't available.

In my opinion, you can't risk taking Aiken or Wallace off the field frequently just to verify that Perriman can play. Again, that verification, although obviously not definitive in the summer, generally comes with practice/preseason.

I mean, we can't even really know if he's better than Chris Moore at this point. The only assumption that can be made there is solely based on draft position, which matters, but is far from the definitive hierarchy on the depth chart.

When you then factor in the idea of how frequently we've "missed" some of our early draft picks in recent years, I wouldn't be so sure that the FO or coaching staff is really willing to start giving Perriman playing time without somehow earning it in some form or fashion. I think the additions of Wallace and even Chris Moore in some ways are a good indication of this.

A perfect world for me is having Perriman start on PUP, Wallace not being overly effective through the first 10-12 games, and have Perriman show enough in practice to overtake some or a lot his snaps by late in the season. Granted, if that happens, it could mean that our offense isn't being overly productive and we may not have a good record.

Wallace is going to be exactly what Joe needs IMO. Although, I do agree with the rest off your post. Give that part a rethink:-) Caw Caw..

[cbrook1862]

I see a lot of good points here. Im not sure it would be wise to just PUP a guy this early in pre season.

1- I know we can only bring back one guy from IR. What about PUP how does that work? Let's knock on wood but let's say Wallace goes down and we need to bring Perriman back. I'm so confused lol.

2- If a guy is on PUP. Can he practice with the team and play preseason games if ready?

 

Also, Perriman doesn't need to perfect the whole playbook yet. All we need is the go route to stretch the field and open up everything for Aiken and our TEs inside. Keep in mind M.Wallace is a bit injury prone himself so Perriman may be our only option at some point.

Wallace isn't injury prone?

[mearzunkies]

  6 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

I think you're right, it's certainly becoming a dilemma, I am very glad we have Moore and Wallace at the moment. 

I mean think of it this way...

Lets say Perriman is ready like the week before our 1st game... sometime around Labor Day. Are there any fans out there that think the coaching staff decides that Perriman is the new starter on the outside alongside Aiken or SSS, and that Wallace is now like the 3rd or 4th guy? If draft position/expectations ruled the land, this is precisely what would happen, yet I doubt anybody really thinks this.

Now, if Perriman is ready by week 1, and Wallace goes out there and sucks for the first month, coupled with quality practices from Perriman, then you'd be in a position where that's possible or maybe even likely.

But I absolutely despise the idea (not you) from some fans that the only way to find out if these guys can play is to give (instead of making them earn) them snaps in real games against real teams in the middle of a playoff race. Its just mind blowing to me. Its almost as if some fans don't realize that there is a significant amount of risk in doing so, not the least of which is the risk of them playing poorly and us losing games. Certainly wouldn't be the first time thats happened.

 

Totally agree 100%

[mearzunkies]

One thing I'd like to know: the people who "medically" assessed Perriman before the draft, are they still with the team?

It was well known he had a Disease that affected his knees. Was supposed to be one of those grow out of it things though. And for normal folk would function fine. His talent is obvious but I have a bad feeling about Permian. Good young man too.

[mearzunkies]

If he passes the condition test before camp ends, then get him in, SSS plays a entirely different game, he is our mid route WR, Perriman is to open the lid on the backend, which will free up more space for SSS....If he gets medical clearance, no sense in waiting, play him ASAP, we drafted him for reason, so lets get him in there......

Wallace and More do the same thing.

[mearzunkies]

I see a lot of good points here. Im not sure it would be wise to just PUP a guy this early in pre season.

1- I know we can only bring back one guy from IR. What about PUP how does that work? Let's knock on wood but let's say Wallace goes down and we need to bring Perriman back. I'm so confused lol.

2- If a guy is on PUP. Can he practice with the team and play preseason games if ready?

 

Also, Perriman doesn't need to perfect the whole playbook yet. All we need is the go route to stretch the field and open up everything for Aiken and our TEs inside. Keep in mind M.Wallace is a bit injury prone himself so Perriman may be our only option at some point.

Doesn't need to perfect the playbook YET? What the heck? LOL come on man he should have that thing memorized. Look, I root for the kid but we do not know anything but he had a disorder of some type in his knees when he was younger, played very well in college, and was a first round pick for us. OH and that he has not played one gamete snap in his 2 season career.

[mearzunkies]

Please quit referring to the squealers as black and gold.......look at the colors again......Its black and Yellow................yellow not gold!.....do not mention gold and the squealers in the same sentence.....this is directed to everyone.....the black and yellow sounds like it looks!...Thank You

upset Lol;)

[mearzunkies]

These filters rock. lmao I can type whatever I want and it makes it as proper as it can,. Muwhahahahaha

[cbrook1862]

IMO, Perriman might not be getting the physical reps, but he sure is more than likely getting the playbook down, and i don't see a big issue with Flacco and Perriman getting in Sync once he gets on the field....If he knows his routes and the playbook, then it's just a matter of Flacco getting his speed dialed in, and then he just throws to spots, where a WR is supposed to be....Like most players tell you, all have the physical tools, its getting the mental tools down that is key to making a team and not, and Perriman has gotten plenty of time to know the playbook inside and out.....Always a silver lining to a bad situation....

Anybody can run a route that don't mean anything. Players feed off each other and have an idea of how each other play. The qb needs to understand how the wr get's open, move and what time and where they like the ball in their hands or at what distance/height in the air. Chemistry is everything.

[Cillmatic]

3 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Officially.

In any meaningful capacity. It not like Joe ever does workouts with teammates outside of practice.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, cbrook1862 said:

Wallace isn't injury prone?

Your right. I absolutely take that back. He's played through a few bumps here and there but rarely misses games. that's tribute to him not a knock

[PalmBayRaven]

I just want to see him on the field otherwise it was wasted #1 draft pick. We already had Elam as a bust and many others which the Ravens depend on to rebuild the team. I disagree about the guy who said his pre-draft medical screening didn't matter. Red flags were there and did they ignore? Apparently Osgood-Schlatter disease does affect people in adulthood and not just a childhood thing. Clearly a genetic defect in the family and all his brothers and father have it. 60% of adults who had the disease as children have problems. Now if that isn't a red flag then I don't know what is?
He is great kid. I am hoping and wishing to see great things from him or even what he did in college, but he hasn't played one NFL down and really nobody has even touched him yet and this is all from falling down. We all will be holding our breaths every time the kid gets tackled.
Because he was a #1 pick is why this matters. You only get one #1 in a year so to waste 2 picks in last 4 years sucks. Just a little touchy on wasted draft picks- Mount Cody, Sergio, Arthur Brown ect...

[cbrook1862]

If he's running he can practice, point blank

[J.O.14]

If he's running he can practice, point blank

No not really. Running doesn't really mean he is ready to come back again. Now, when he starts cutting on his knee and it's holding up fine, then yes he is ready to practice more than likely. Running puts a lot of pressure on the knee, but cutting off of the knee is what will be the deciding factor. That is where the most force will be applied to the ligaments and stress to the entire knee. I know people who can run in a straight line with a torn ACL. Cutting will be the deciding factor, however long that might be.

[ravenwildman]

Speaking of fans, I must say that I have seen more and more Ravens stuff on cars here in Northern VA than ever before. Even though last season was not grand, and the Redskins have done well, the Ravens seem to be picking up a larger fan base here. GO RAVENS! 25

Edited August 18, 2016 by ravenwildman
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[Drew P]

I wouldn't consider Butler a bubble player at this point looking at that host of WR's.

[rmcjacket23]

14 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

Just because their colors have been CALLED black and yellow for years, doesn't mean tht's what they are. The Ravens are the only team in the NFL who actually have the color gold in their uniforms/logo. It's not inaccurate it's true

Source? Based on everything I'm reading, the actual color of the Steelers uniform includes the color gold, not the color yellow.

To me, it seems that fans just THINK that its yellow.

Regardless, it would seem to logically make more sense to refer to a team by their actual official colors, as they define them. Its certainly not up to the fans to define what color to call a team.

[Moderator 3]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Source? Based on everything I'm reading, the actual color of the Steelers uniform includes the color gold, not the color yellow.

To me, it seems that fans just THINK that its yellow.

Regardless, it would seem to logically make more sense to refer to a team by their actual official colors, as they define them. Its certainly not up to the fans to define what color to call a team.

It is my understanding (as I've been told many times by Steeler fans) the official shade of yellow in their uniforms is "goldenrod".  That would make either term correct IMHO.

[Drew P]

I'm concerned if Perri should be placed on the MUP list at this point.. mentally unable to perform.