[News] Late For Work 8/17: 5 Reasons It Would Be Smart For Breshad Perriman To Start Season On PUP

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[bioLarzen]

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

[Bat-mite]

We can predict all we want, but the only thing that really matters is who wins games and gets to the SB. No concern on my part about guys like Flacco, SSS, Suggs missing preseason. If they don't know the playbook by now, who does?

Perriman will remain on my "ain't gonna happen" list ... until it does, and hopefully that is soon. ;)

[ellicottraven]

I just want us to get back into being a playoff bound team year in and year out.

[rmcjacket23]

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

Yeah, but I really don't see how he's going to build a rapport with Flacco during the season. There isn't much actual practice time during the week when the regular season starts where Joe and Perriman would be working out together. Its a lot of gameplan installation and getting reps with guys who will actually be on the field that week.

The type of rapport we are looking for can really only be obtained in the offseason.

So, basically, its likely just another lost season for Perriman.

[stixfix69]

IMO, Perriman might not be getting the physical reps, but he sure is more than likely getting the playbook down, and i don't see a big issue with Flacco and Perriman getting in Sync once he gets on the field....If he knows his routes and the playbook, then it's just a matter of Flacco getting his speed dialed in, and then he just throws to spots, where a WR is supposed to be....Like most players tell you, all have the physical tools, its getting the mental tools down that is key to making a team and not, and Perriman has gotten plenty of time to know the playbook inside and out.....Always a silver lining to a bad situation....

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

Yeah, but I really don't see how he's going to build a rapport with Flacco during the season. There isn't much actual practice time during the week when the regular season starts where Joe and Perriman would be working out together. Its a lot of gameplan installation and getting reps with guys who will actually be on the field that week.

The type of rapport we are looking for can really only be obtained in the offseason.

So, basically, its likely just another lost season for Perriman.

Disagree. Mallett did pretty well last year with NO offseason practice with his receivers. This "chemistry" stuff is highly overrated. Put Perriman in a couple mid-season games and he'll get all the real experience he needs against real teams and not the fake experience he would have had in preseason against fake teams (second stringers or worse of other teams).

[RRRRRavens]

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

Agree. Smolka's advice above seems sensible to me too.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Disagree. Mallett did pretty well last year with NO offseason practice with his receivers. This "chemistry" stuff is highly overrated. Put Perriman in a couple mid-season games and he'll get all the real experience he needs against real teams and not the fake experience he would have had in preseason against fake teams (second stringers or worse of other teams).

I agree in general its overrated, but Mallett is also playing with receivers who had no chemistry with anybody.

Putting Perriman in games solely for the purpose of getting him reps and experience is obviously very risky and generally a poor idea, considering  you risk taking a better player off the field solely for a "learning experience". Plus, you obviously risk losing production, which would be counter-productive to a team trying to win a game that day.

That kind of scenario worked after about half a season in 2015, when we were done with playoff possibilities. That doesn't really work when you're team is still competing to get in the playoffs, which hopefully we will be.

Plus, given how little he's practiced to begin with, we don't even know if he's actually earned the right to be on the field in real game situations against real teams. Not something you generally just hand to a player, especially one who's spent basically all of his pro career on the sidelines.

Edited August 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[OUravensfan]

19 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I agree in general its overrated, but Mallett is also playing with receivers who had no chemistry with anybody.

Putting Perriman in games solely for the purpose of getting him reps and experience is obviously very risky and generally a poor idea, considering  you risk taking a better player off the field solely for a "learning experience". Plus, you obviously risk losing production, which would be counter-productive to a team trying to win a game that day.

That kind of scenario worked after about half a season in 2015, when we were done with playoff possibilities. That doesn't really work when you're team is still competing to get in the playoffs, which hopefully we will be.

Plus, given how little he's practiced to begin with, we don't even know if he's actually earned the right to be on the field in real game situations against real teams. Not something you generally just hand to a player, especially one who's spent basically all of his pro career on the sidelines.

But it's generally assumed a first round pick is and should be an immediate impact player. I realize at some point draft placement stops being the driver for the depth chart, I don't think Perriman has hit that point yet.

Edited August 17, 2016 by OUravensfan

[bigcatfrank1]

  1 hour ago, bioLarzen said:

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

Yeah, but I really don't see how he's going to build a rapport with Flacco during the season. There isn't much actual practice time during the week when the regular season starts where Joe and Perriman would be working out together. Its a lot of gameplan installation and getting reps with guys who will actually be on the field that week.

The type of rapport we are looking for can really only be obtained in the offseason.

So, basically, its likely just another lost season for Perriman.

Agree with both here, obviously its very important to Joe, as he has stated with his development with Mike Wallace. This situation is totally up to Perriman. He and only he can take the opportunity, when he gets it, to develop at an unprecedented speed and be ready for NFL play. Frankly I don't see it. He may have to wait yet another year before he gets a shot at the NFL. At this point the Ravens should not be so worried about it. Play the players who are proving themselves on the field.

[rmcjacket23]

13 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

But it's generally assumed a first round pick is and should be an immediate impact player. I realize at some point draft placement stops being the driver for the depth chart, I don't think Perriman has hit that point yet.

Yes but you typically at least confirm this in training camp/preseason. If nothing else, you assume he's a starter until he's beaten out by somebody else.

But Perriman hasn't had basically any opportunities to show that he can even have a good preseason or training camp, because he isn't available.

In my opinion, you can't risk taking Aiken or Wallace off the field frequently just to verify that Perriman can play. Again, that verification, although obviously not definitive in the summer, generally comes with practice/preseason.

I mean, we can't even really know if he's better than Chris Moore at this point. The only assumption that can be made there is solely based on draft position, which matters, but is far from the definitive hierarchy on the depth chart.

When you then factor in the idea of how frequently we've "missed" some of our early draft picks in recent years, I wouldn't be so sure that the FO or coaching staff is really willing to start giving Perriman playing time without somehow earning it in some form or fashion. I think the additions of Wallace and even Chris Moore in some ways are a good indication of this.

A perfect world for me is having Perriman start on PUP, Wallace not being overly effective through the first 10-12 games, and have Perriman show enough in practice to overtake some or a lot his snaps by late in the season. Granted, if that happens, it could mean that our offense isn't being overly productive and we may not have a good record.

Edited August 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[OUravensfan]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yes but you typically at least confirm this in training camp/preseason. If nothing else, you assume he's a starter until he's beaten out by somebody else.

But Perriman hasn't had basically any opportunities to show that he can even have a good preseason or training camp, because he isn't available.

In my opinion, you can't risk taking Aiken or Wallace off the field frequently just to verify that Perriman can play. Again, that verification, although obviously not definitive in the summer, generally comes with practice/preseason.

I mean, we can't even really know if he's better than Chris Moore at this point. The only assumption that can be made there is solely based on draft position, which matters, but is far from the definitive hierarchy on the depth chart.

When you then factor in the idea of how frequently we've "missed" some of our early draft picks in recent years, I wouldn't be so sure that the FO or coaching staff is really willing to start giving Perriman playing time without somehow earning it in some form or fashion. I think the additions of Wallace and even Chris Moore in some ways are a good indication of this.

I think you're right, it's certainly becoming a dilemma, I am very glad we have Moore and Wallace at the moment. 

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I think you're right, it's certainly becoming a dilemma, I am very glad we have Moore and Wallace at the moment. 

I mean think of it this way...

Lets say Perriman is ready like the week before our 1st game... sometime around Labor Day. Are there any fans out there that think the coaching staff decides that Perriman is the new starter on the outside alongside Aiken or SSS, and that Wallace is now like the 3rd or 4th guy? If draft position/expectations ruled the land, this is precisely what would happen, yet I doubt anybody really thinks this.

Now, if Perriman is ready by week 1, and Wallace goes out there and sucks for the first month, coupled with quality practices from Perriman, then you'd be in a position where that's possible or maybe even likely.

But I absolutely despise the idea (not you) from some fans that the only way to find out if these guys can play is to give (instead of making them earn) them snaps in real games against real teams in the middle of a playoff race. Its just mind blowing to me. Its almost as if some fans don't realize that there is a significant amount of risk in doing so, not the least of which is the risk of them playing poorly and us losing games. Certainly wouldn't be the first time thats happened.

 

Edited August 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[OUravensfan]

4 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I mean think of it this way...

Lets say Perriman is ready like the week before our 1st game... sometime around Labor Day. Are there any fans out there that think the coaching staff decides that Perriman is the new starter on the outside alongside Aiken or SSS, and that Wallace is now like the 3rd or 4th guy? If draft position/expectations ruled the land, this is precisely what would happen, yet I doubt anybody really thinks this.

Now, if Perriman is ready by week 1, and Wallace goes out there and sucks for the first month, coupled with quality practices from Perriman, then you'd be in a position where that's possible or maybe even likely.

But I absolutely despise the idea (not you) from some fans that the only way to find out if these guys can play is to give (instead of making them earn) them snaps in real games against real teams in the middle of a playoff race. Its just mind blowing to me. Its almost as if some fans don't realize that there is a significant amount of risk in doing so, not the least of which is the risk of them playing poorly and us losing games. Certainly wouldn't be the first time thats happened.

 

I agree, which is why the PUP route is looking more and more likely, we'll have to find a way to phase him in somehow. Last year indicated we may never have the luxury of throwing him in a real game during garbage time. I guess I should clarify that I mean garbage time becasue we're up and not the other way around.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, OUravensfan said:

I agree, which is why the PUP route is looking more and more likely, we'll have to find a way to phase him in somehow. Last year indicated we may never have the luxury of throwing him in a real game during garbage time. I guess I should clarify that I mean garbage time becasue we're up and not the other way around.

If he were healthy last season, he may very well have led our team in receiving. He would have had plenty of games where he had an opportunity to produce.

He will have an opportunity to get snaps later in the year as a situational player, much like others did last season and others do pretty much every season.

[bigcatfrank1]

Harbaugh liked the way Perriman looked in OTC, good thing is he can still start on the pPUP. We can only hope that we don't need it for someone even more valuable, At this point I just dont see the hype, certainly not anymore, not until he plays on the field with some consistency. This team needs immediate play makers, not hopes and expected playtime.

[Dumbo of Rome]

One thing I'd like to know: the people who "medically" assessed Perriman before the draft, are they still with the team?

[rmcjacket23]

One thing I'd like to know: the people who "medically" assessed Perriman before the draft, are they still with the team?

Not sure, though it doesn't matter, because his injuries have nothing to do with his pre-draft assessment.

[Dumbo of Rome]

  18 minutes ago, Dumbo of Rome said:

One thing I'd like to know: the people who "medically" assessed Perriman before the draft, are they still with the team?

Not sure, though it doesn't matter, because his injuries have nothing to do with his pre-draft assessment.

I sure hope you are right.

[Maryland]

I'd put Perriman on PUP only if the doctors are pessimistic about his availability for week 2 of the regular season (maybe week 3). Even with no experience working with Flacco, Perriman is going to provide more value than that 53rd man on the roster who is not active on game-day anyway (past seasons Arthur Brown has been that guy not active on game-day nearly every week, so essentially you'd be cutting someone of his caliber). It'd be worth rostering him if he's only going to miss a game or two imo.

If we're strictly comparing him to Butler as the 6th WR, Perriman can stretch the field whereas Butler is just another possession receiver too similar to Aiken or our chain-moving TEs. Plus you should never really need your 6th WR anyway outside of special teams, which may end up making the difference, knowing Harbaugh (not sure what kind of contributor Butler is on special teams though).

That said, I see the author's points and understand why Perriman would start on PUP. I've actually been expecting him to start on PUP even after the projected return during TC lol.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, Maryland said:

I'd put Perriman on PUP only if the doctors are pessimistic about his availability for week 2 of the regular season (maybe week 3). Even with no experience working with Flacco, Perriman is going to provide more value than that 53rd man on the roster who is not active on game-day anyway (past seasons Arthur Brown has been that guy not active on game-day nearly every week, so essentially you'd be cutting someone of his caliber). It'd be worth rostering him if he's only going to miss a game or two imo.

If we're strictly comparing him to Butler as the 6th WR, Perriman can stretch the field whereas Butler is just another possession receiver too similar to Aiken or our chain-moving TEs. Plus you should never really need your 6th WR anyway outside of special teams, which may end up making the difference, knowing Harbaugh (not sure what kind of contributor Butler is on special teams though).

That said, I see the author's points and understand why Perriman would start on PUP. I've actually been expecting him to start on PUP even after the projected return during TC lol.

I mean, at the end of the day, Perriman would possibly be staring at a gameday inactive anyway for the first few weeks if he is on the 53 man. In all likelihood, assuming SSS and Moore are back healthy for the opener, Perriman would be the 5th WR at best on gameday, and we may only carry 5-6, depending on how the kick returner position pans out and whether or not Perriman would contribute on ST.

 

[TheRavengers]

I would've thought Perriman would sit all preseason and maybe get a few reps in the regular season opener just to see if he can handle it.

[stixfix69]

If he passes the condition test before camp ends, then get him in, SSS plays a entirely different game, he is our mid route WR, Perriman is to open the lid on the backend, which will free up more space for SSS....If he gets medical clearance, no sense in waiting, play him ASAP, we drafted him for reason, so lets get him in there......

[Halshayeji]

I see a lot of good points here. Im not sure it would be wise to just PUP a guy this early in pre season.

1- I know we can only bring back one guy from IR. What about PUP how does that work? Let's knock on wood but let's say Wallace goes down and we need to bring Perriman back. I'm so confused lol.

2- If a guy is on PUP. Can he practice with the team and play preseason games if ready?

 

Also, Perriman doesn't need to perfect the whole playbook yet. All we need is the go route to stretch the field and open up everything for Aiken and our TEs inside. Keep in mind M.Wallace is a bit injury prone himself so Perriman may be our only option at some point.

[hen826957]

I just want Perriman to get on the field as soon as possible. If he started the season on PUP, it's like missing 5-6 games right? If that happens he might not play at all. C'mon Perriman you can do it. ?

[Cillmatic]

4 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Frankly, even if - and that's a HUGE if - Perriman is 100% by week one, there seem to be no real sense in putting him on the active roster: he has basically no chemistry with Flacco, he hasn't had time to gel with the squad - he'd essentially be a stranger with a good grasp on the playbook. 6 weeks would be great to build some kind of rapport with Flacco. Luckily, at this point we have enough depth at the position to stash Perriman on the PUP, even if he wouldn't necessarily have to be there.

You can't practice on PUP.

[eze17]

  2 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

I agree, which is why the PUP route is looking more and more likely, we'll have to find a way to phase him in somehow. Last year indicated we may never have the luxury of throwing him in a real game during garbage time. I guess I should clarify that I mean garbage time becasue we're up and not the other way around.

If he were healthy last season, he may very well have led our team in receiving. He would have had plenty of games where he had an opportunity to produce.

He will have an opportunity to get snaps later in the year as a situational player, much like others did last season and others do pretty much every season.

Which is what I see Perriman being whenever he starts this season: A situational player. I don't know why some people think this is Madden football. where you can just throw a guy into a game and he will produce. In the perfect situation he starts out slowly and proves his durability, eventually gets comfortable with playing in our offense, and by end of season is a productive player. To expect him to be any kind of instant success is pure fantasy. To be honest, he will more than likely be our 5th or 6th receiver anyways, which usually means he would be a healthy scratch come game day. So I have no problem putting him on the PUP list to start the year. If he contributes anything at all this year, i'd consider it a bonus.

[FloridalovesRavens]

I just want us to get back into being a playoff bound team year in and year out.

We haven't missed that many for crying out loud! Remember there are 31 other teams to contend with. Chances of reaching playoffs year in and year out are astronomical but we have managed to do quite well. Don't know what this year will bring just keep on keeping on. Go Ravens.

[Bohica5]

Please quit referring to the squealers as black and gold.......look at the colors again......Its black and Yellow................yellow not gold!.....do not mention gold and the squealers in the same sentence.....this is directed to everyone.....the black and yellow sounds like it looks!...Thank You