Who will make the 53? Powers or Canady?

[stampedehero]

Its tough to choose but we are well stocked at CB and Powers may be on the PS although he had played well in practice. 

[rmw10]

Powers is likely your starting slot CB. The real battle is between Davis, Canady, and Price. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I dont even think Powers can go to the PS - doesnt he have too much playing time accumulated?

Powers is a lock. As @rmw10 said i think the only real question is Davis, Canady, Price, and Brown. Arrington - i think at least - is definitely gone. So 1 maybe 2 spots up for grabs between the other 4... and i think as of now at least Price and Davis have the lead.

[757RavensFan]

I agree with @rmw10 that Powers is the starting slot CB.  Powers, can't slip up b/c Tavon Young is right on his heels.  

I think Price has the slight lead right now over Davis and Canady.  Per yesterday's camp report, Will Davis had a bad practice yesterday. 

[rmw10]

And Canady could make a play for the roster as well, but missing a couple of weeks of practice hurt.  He really has to establish himself over these next couple of weeks.

[Deflated Football]

I just hope Will Davis makes the team. Same with Canady. I like his attitude. Powers is just getting used to a new playbook. Get Arrington out of town. 

[redlobster]

powers and canady make the team

[Ravenseconbeast]

We got a lot of bad players like Lewis & Arrington.   

what would it take to get rid of players like that?  dead money & etc?

[rmcjacket23]

Jerraud Powers is in his 8th year in the league. He's not eligible for any PS.

[RayRocks]

IMO, the locks at corner are:  Smith, Wright, Powers, Young, Davis (although Davis may be considered a bubble player, I think he makes it).

The guys fighting for the last spot (or two) are Brown, Canady, Price, Arrington

I think Arrington is as good as gone, and Canady also has an edge over the other guys because he was a draft pick.  However, the FO also seems to really like Price, so I think he has a really good shot.  Brown I think is definitely a PS player this year.

[January J]

3 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

I just hope Will Davis makes the team. Same with Canady. I like his attitude. Powers is just getting used to a new playbook. Get Arrington out of town. 

Can't see any scenario where Davis doesn't make the team. And powers is not eligible for the PS and wouldn't be put there even if he was after the contract we just gave him. The real question is canady and at this point I don't think he makes the cut.

[trevorsteadman]

9 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

We got a lot of bad players like Lewis & Arrington.   

what would it take to get rid of players like that?  dead money & etc?

Since when has Lewis been a bad player? He is probably one of the most dependable players on our defense. He doesn't make flashy plays but he is always wherever he needs to be. He is the #3 safety and will likely play a lot of time considering both Weddle and Webb are more free safeties.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Canady needs to stay, period.

[Underdogsontop!]

I agree like stated above Powers with be our starting slot CB. I think Arrington gets cut. I like Canadys style, big, strong, some ball skills, kind of fast for a guy his size. I hope he don't get cut. Depnding on how the next couple weeks play out, I'm thinking its between price and that other guy we picked up in Browns departure. I'm excited about Power, Canady, Young, and Davis. Only thing with young is he got to battle with Powers. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

22 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

Since when has Lewis been a bad player? He is probably one of the most dependable players on our defense. He doesn't make flashy plays but he is always wherever he needs to be. He is the #3 safety and will likely play a lot of time considering both Weddle and Webb are more free safeties.

 

Kendrick Lewis is [horrible].  What are you talking about...

Edited August 19, 2016 by Moderator 3
Don't call our players that

[Maryland]

Depends how many CBs they keep on the roster. In years past, they usually keep around 5 CBs, though they have rostered as few as 4 CBs. They opened 2014 with 4 CBs, for example, though last year, depending on if you considered Levine a safety or a corner (I consider him a safety), they kept 5 corners on the roster most of the time (Jimmy, Webb, Arrington, Tray Walker, and then a mixture of Wright/Davis/Jeremy Ross for different parts of the year). Pees seems to value having a lot of safeties while putting a low value on CB depth, much to our detriment in years past.

Easy locks to make the roster right now are Jimmy, Wright, Powers, and Tavon Young. First two need no explanation. Powers is probably going to be the starting slot corner because he has experience and receives good reports in practice despite struggling week 1 of preseason. Tavon Young is getting good reports in practice, he provides depth at slot corner, and he's a decently-high draft pick, so he's in. 

So now you have likely 1 more CB spot open (maybe 2), and your leading candidates are Price, Canady, and Will Davis in some order (Sam Brown was cut this week; he may still be a PS candidate later once he's healthy). The biggest need at this point is outside corner, since you have 2 slot corners in Powers and Young. Price and Canady are in the physical mold of your prototypical outside corner. I didn't fully like what I saw out of Price last week because he was too grabby and prone to penalties it seemed, though he did seem to turn around and look to make plays on the ball, which is good; plus he has experience. In Canady's favor, he has developmental upside, the fact that he's a recent draft pick (Ozzie/Harbs rarely cut rookies, even late-rounders), and some good reports earlier in training camp, and he's back healthy at practice now. Will Davis has experience in his favor, but he's not an ideal outside corner, he has health concerns, and his play wasn't all that impressive last week (way too much space surrendered on a couple plays, though one was called back for an offensive penalty). Not considered in all of this is their impact on special teams, which is a huge factor with Harbaugh. Tray Walker was never used as a corner last year, but he was active every day because he excelled on special teams (plus he was a 4th round pick), so that could easily be a tiebreaker between the three candidates. 

My hunch is that Canady does well enough over the next few weeks to earn a roster spot over the other two based mostly on upside, being a rookie draft pick, and special teams contributions, though it wouldn't surprise me if Price got the nod ahead of Canady based on playing experience and special teams ability. Davis is my least-likely candidate to make the roster of the three. Really looking forward to the next few weeks of preseason.

[Ravensfan23]

5 hours ago, Maryland said:

Depends how many CBs they keep on the roster. In years past, they usually keep around 5 CBs, though they have rostered as few as 4 CBs. They opened 2014 with 4 CBs, for example, though last year, depending on if you considered Levine a safety or a corner (I consider him a safety), they kept 5 corners on the roster most of the time (Jimmy, Webb, Arrington, Tray Walker, and then a mixture of Wright/Davis/Jeremy Ross for different parts of the year). Pees seems to value having a lot of safeties while putting a low value on CB depth, much to our detriment in years past.

Easy locks to make the roster right now are Jimmy, Wright, Powers, and Tavon Young. First two need no explanation. Powers is probably going to be the starting slot corner because he has experience and receives good reports in practice despite struggling week 1 of preseason. Tavon Young is getting good reports in practice, he provides depth at slot corner, and he's a decently-high draft pick, so he's in. 

So now you have likely 1 more CB spot open (maybe 2), and your leading candidates are Price, Canady, and Will Davis in some order (Sam Brown was cut this week; he may still be a PS candidate later once he's healthy). The biggest need at this point is outside corner, since you have 2 slot corners in Powers and Young. Price and Canady are in the physical mold of your prototypical outside corner. I didn't fully like what I saw out of Price last week because he was too grabby and prone to penalties it seemed, though he did seem to turn around and look to make plays on the ball, which is good; plus he has experience. In Canady's favor, he has developmental upside, the fact that he's a recent draft pick (Ozzie/Harbs rarely cut rookies, even late-rounders), and some good reports earlier in training camp, and he's back healthy at practice now. Will Davis has experience in his favor, but he's not an ideal outside corner, he has health concerns, and his play wasn't all that impressive last week (way too much space surrendered on a couple plays, though one was called back for an offensive penalty). Not considered in all of this is their impact on special teams, which is a huge factor with Harbaugh. Tray Walker was never used as a corner last year, but he was active every day because he excelled on special teams (plus he was a 4th round pick), so that could easily be a tiebreaker between the three candidates. 

My hunch is that Canady does well enough over the next few weeks to earn a roster spot over the other two based mostly on upside, being a rookie draft pick, and special teams contributions, though it wouldn't surprise me if Price got the nod ahead of Canady based on playing experience and special teams ability. Davis is my least-likely candidate to make the roster of the three. Really looking forward to the next few weeks of preseason.

Davis has been the top reserve at CB and has split a few first team reps with Wright throughout camp. No guarantees but I definitely think he makes it. Not saying you did, but you can't just look at the size listed on to roster and determine who's a better fit outside. Davis might just be the best cover corner the Ravens have along with Jimmy and his long arms, quick feet and awareness is the reason. He can survive inside but outside is his game and without the injury ever happening I'd put money on him being the starter opposite Jimmy. 

Speaking of the injury, that coupled with off coverage not being his strong suit is why you see so must space being given by Davis. Here's working back from injury and looked damn good imo. 

The OPI play was not Davis in coverage, he was the outside CB and his man was the guy who did the pick, Davis just made the tackle and I think the announcers gave him the blame. 

Not saying he's a lock, but I think the Ravens find a way to keep him because imo he's the 2nd best CB on the team, he just has to be healthy which it seems he is now.

[rmw10]

56 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Davis has been the top reserve at CB and has split a few first team reps with Wright throughout camp. No guarantees but I definitely think he makes it. Not saying you did, but you can't just look at the size listed on to roster and determine who's a better fit outside. Davis might just be the best cover corner the Ravens have along with Jimmy and his long arms, quick feet and awareness is the reason. He can survive inside but outside is his game and without the injury ever happening I'd put money on him being the starter opposite Jimmy. 

Speaking of the injury, that coupled with off coverage not being his strong suit is why you see so must space being given by Davis. Here's working back from injury and looked damn good imo. 

The OPI play was not Davis in coverage, he was the outside CB and his man was the guy who did the pick, Davis just made the tackle and I think the announcers gave him the blame. 

Not saying he's a lock, but I think the Ravens find a way to keep him because imo he's the 2nd best CB on the team, he just has to be healthy which it seems he is now.

I do think Davis is entering that definitely on the roster territory.  It took him some time to get there due to the recovery, which was to be expected.  It sounds like he typically starts practice a little shaky but then really improves as the days goes on, which makes total sense for a guy trying to trust his knee again.  Even in the overall picture, it sounds like he's been steadily improving from week to week.  Assuming that is the case, that gives you 5 guys firmly on the roster at CB right now, with maybe 1 spot to go.  Price and Canady are likely battling but I'm not overlooking us actually keeping all 5 safeties, assuming Levine is at ILB.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Davis has been the top reserve at CB and has split a few first team reps with Wright throughout camp. No guarantees but I definitely think he makes it. Not saying you did, but you can't just look at the size listed on to roster and determine who's a better fit outside. Davis might just be the best cover corner the Ravens have along with Jimmy and his long arms, quick feet and awareness is the reason. He can survive inside but outside is his game and without the injury ever happening I'd put money on him being the starter opposite Jimmy. 

Speaking of the injury, that coupled with off coverage not being his strong suit is why you see so must space being given by Davis. Here's working back from injury and looked damn good imo. 

The OPI play was not Davis in coverage, he was the outside CB and his man was the guy who did the pick, Davis just made the tackle and I think the announcers gave him the blame. 

Not saying he's a lock, but I think the Ravens find a way to keep him because imo he's the 2nd best CB on the team, he just has to be healthy which it seems he is now.

I havent heard that Davis has been the top reserve... Price was the starter when Jimmy was out, and everything Ive heard is that he's still that next guy on the outside. Not saying youre wrong, just havent heard it.

I like Price a lot and want him on the team. Hes always tight in coverage, has great length, just needs to work on making the play on the ball. The potential is there. I like Davis a lot too... I think we keep 6 CBs this year after struggling with depth issues the past 2 seasons. I think the reason we went safety heavy in the past was that we didnt have unquestioned starters at the position, and sided with a more committee approach with several guys fitting in more niche roles. But with Webb and Weddle back there, I really dont see the point with keeping more than 4-5 safeties. These two wont come off the field much.

And I dont get the strong love for Canady. I mean, I like him, hes a draft pick that got some good reports early on, but he hasnt played much - and other than hearsay, coach speak, and brief camp reports - what is there really to base the opinion that hes played super well? He's a rookie 6th/7th round pick who has missed a lot of time... i dont think it should be expected that he can contribute much right away.

I see Canady as a priority PS guy that you hope develops and contributes in the future... but letting a guy like Davis or Price out the door who can contribute right now to this team for a guy that might do something in a year or 2 doesnt make much sense to me.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I do think Davis is entering that definitely on the roster territory.  It took him some time to get there due to the recovery, which was to be expected.  It sounds like he typically starts practice a little shaky but then really improves as the days goes on, which makes total sense for a guy trying to trust his knee again.  Even in the overall picture, it sounds like he's been steadily improving from week to week.  Assuming that is the case, that gives you 5 guys firmly on the roster at CB right now, with maybe 1 spot to go.  Price and Canady are likely battling but I'm not overlooking us actually keeping all 5 safeties, assuming Levine is at ILB.

Yea that's how I see things right now Price vs Canady. Can't wait to see Canady tomorrow night. I've heard all positive reports on him and seems to be doing better than expected from a late round guy. 

I'll be totally honest I have no idea where the final spots will do on this roster because the Ravens aren't just dealing with numbers in depth but the guys are performing really well in camp and preseason thus far. There's gonna be some positions that really throw the numbers off and I think DB will be one of them. 

I'm still hesitant to call Levine a lock. He's a favorite of mines for all the reasons that you guys listed in the other thread, but I don't see a long term future for him here and I'll need to see more out of the Dime than just being run with the 3rd team defense before I can say it's a big part of what the defense will do. 

Guys like Lewis and Levine are favorites of the coaching staff. I think it'll be some very interesting conversation about veterans vs youth potential on that final cut down. I don't envy the decision makers this year but would love to be in that session.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I havent heard that Davis has been the top reserve... Price was the starter when Jimmy was out, and everything Ive heard is that he's still that next guy on the outside. Not saying youre wrong, just havent heard it.

I like Price a lot and want him on the team. Hes always tight in coverage, has great length, just needs to work on making the play on the ball. The potential is there. I like Davis a lot too... I think we keep 6 CBs this year after struggling with depth issues the past 2 seasons. I think the reason we went safety heavy in the past was that we didnt have unquestioned starters at the position, and sided with a more committee approach with several guys fitting in more niche roles. But with Webb and Weddle back there, I really dont see the point with keeping more than 4-5 safeties. These two wont come off the field much.

And I dont get the strong love for Canady. I mean, I like him, hes a draft pick that got some good reports early on, but he hasnt played much - and other than hearsay, coach speak, and brief camp reports - what is there really to base the opinion that hes played super well? He's a rookie 6th/7th round pick who has missed a lot of time... i dont think it should be expected that he can contribute much right away.

I see Canady as a priority PS guy that you hope develops and contributes in the future... but letting a guy like Davis or Price out the door who can contribute right now to this team for a guy that might do something in a year or 2 doesnt make much sense to me.

Price has been a top reserve but we have to remember, when Jimmy was missing time so was Davis. In the first preseason game it was Davis who entered the game as a outside CB after Jimmy exited. Price entered the game once Wright exited. Preseason game one honestly doesn't show much, but I think it does show pecking order in most cases. 

I like Price too. I thought he held up really well in 2 practices I saw and the first preseason game. I definitely think he's in the teams plans and I think he'll make the roster. 

With Canady it'll be interesting to see just how much he plays Saturday. I think the coaches really like him but with he and Price being similar it may not be room for both. If he doesn't play much Saturday I'll be thinking PS guy. However if he plays a lot and plays well, it'll be another tough decision imo.

 

[January J]

5 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Davis has been the top reserve at CB and has split a few first team reps with Wright throughout camp. No guarantees but I definitely think he makes it. Not saying you did, but you can't just look at the size listed on to roster and determine who's a better fit outside. Davis might just be the best cover corner the Ravens have along with Jimmy and his long arms, quick feet and awareness is the reason. He can survive inside but outside is his game and without the injury ever happening I'd put money on him being the starter opposite Jimmy. 

Speaking of the injury, that coupled with off coverage not being his strong suit is why you see so must space being given by Davis. Here's working back from injury and looked damn good imo. 

The OPI play was not Davis in coverage, he was the outside CB and his man was the guy who did the pick, Davis just made the tackle and I think the announcers gave him the blame. 

Not saying he's a lock, but I think the Ravens find a way to keep him because imo he's the 2nd best CB on the team, he just has to be healthy which it seems he is now.

That's the way I see it. I have no idea why people seem to believe davis is on the bubble. That truly baffles me. And everything i saw from him against carolina looked sharp. I don't think there's room for price or canady IMO. Price looked real shaky to me the other night , had a hard time knocking down balls that were within reach and I see him potentially getting hit with alot of penalties. The only  real question for me is Elam vs. Brooks. And is it at all possible we keep both and cut Kendrick? I know  coaches like Lewis and its good to have more veteran experience but what would the cap ramifications be? Does anybody know if the savings would be at all significant?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

6 hours ago, January J said:

That's the way I see it. I have no idea why people seem to believe davis is on the bubble. That truly baffles me. And everything i saw from him against carolina looked sharp. I don't think there's room for price or canady IMO. Price looked real shaky to me the other night , had a hard time knocking down balls that were within reach and I see him potentially getting hit with alot of penalties. The only  real question for me is Elam vs. Brooks. And is it at all possible we keep both and cut Kendrick? I know  coaches like Lewis and its good to have more veteran experience but what would the cap ramifications be? Does anybody know if the savings would be at all significant?

Not really. It's slightly under $1m in savings when offset by rule of 51 (slotting in next highest paid not currently counting).

not significant enough at least to play a part in evaluating. If all other things equal in terms of their play, then yea I'd say it's a factor. But I can't see them favoring Elam/Brooks just to save it when we're already well under the cap limit. 

[trevorsteadman]

Powers is a lock... So is Kendrick Lewis... Let's get over these stupid questions. Lewis is by far our best safety behind Webb and Weddle and it is not even close he is probably a starter on most teams. Elam and Brooks are fighting to hang on. Powers is your starting slot corner. 

[trevorsteadman]

7 hours ago, January J said:

That's the way I see it. I have no idea why people seem to believe davis is on the bubble. That truly baffles me. And everything i saw from him against carolina looked sharp. I don't think there's room for price or canady IMO. Price looked real shaky to me the other night , had a hard time knocking down balls that were within reach and I see him potentially getting hit with alot of penalties. The only  real question for me is Elam vs. Brooks. And is it at all possible we keep both and cut Kendrick? I know  coaches like Lewis and its good to have more veteran experience but what would the cap ramifications be? Does anybody know if the savings would be at all significant?

I think Price looked great and got his hand on the ball several times and was always in receivers' faces. Will Davis got beat once for a good game but otherwise he played very well. Canaday will most likely go to the practice squad.

[ellicottraven]

This season's 53 man roster is the hardest to call imo. There are just so many talented players on so many positions, its going to be hard for the coaches too.

[Maryland]

Davis was struggling in practice according to some of the practice reports from russell street report over the past week, though he did have some good days in there as well. Gave me the impression he wasn't making a good case for the 53-man roster. 

[stampedehero]

On 8/17/2016 at 11:47 AM, Deflated Football said:

I just hope Will Davis makes the team. Same with Canady. I like his attitude. Powers is just getting used to a new playbook. Get Arrington out of town. 

Arrington is a shell of himself and had his glory days

Edited August 20, 2016 by stampedehero

[January J]

On August 19, 2016 at 8:27 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Not really. It's slightly under $1m in savings when offset by rule of 51 (slotting in next highest paid not currently counting).

not significant enough at least to play a part in evaluating. If all other things equal in terms of their play, then yea I'd say it's a factor. But I can't see them favoring Elam/Brooks just to save it when we're already well under the cap limit. 

Yeah it won't be the deciding factor but if theyre close in competition then it's always nice to roll over an additional 900k for next year. Might seem like peanuts but it all adds up. But like I said I still see them keeping Lewis - I just don't know what's going on with his injury and haven't seen him whatsoever.

Edited August 21, 2016 by January J

[ellicottraven]

I would like both Canady and Will Davis to make the 53 man roster. They bring great size to the CB group and they're pretty darn good at tackling and covering.