[News] Late For Work 8/12: What Marc Trestman's Gameplan Should Be This Year: Feed. Dem. Backs.

[mearzunkies]

Nick Boyle is such a classy football player. Tough and protects his body. Swear I wish he hadn't of gotten that suspension.

EV! seemed to have missed the sarcasm.

[mearzunkies]

"What Marc Trestman’s Gameplan Should Be This Year: Feed. Dem. Backs."

I'm not sure that would warrant having a 100M+ QB at helm.

What team doesn't?

[Saxxin]

Putting the ball in Joe's hands is what won them a SB. The RB's look good but never forget who the real play maker is on that team.

[thecommish]

we are a team based on balance. The more balance we have the harder we are to stop. The good news is that this year we should have the talent to be balanced and stay balanced. Defenses can pick their poison. They take away the run and we have a ton of weapons in the passing game. Sit back on the pass and we should be able to run it down your throat. You want to blitz us... we will have plenty of talented and versatile backs who can kill you with the screen and draws. Sit two deep and our TEs will split the seams on you all day long. Short yardage and we should be able to throw two TE sets like few other teams in football can. I like the personal grouping headed into this season.

[rmcjacket23]

  20 hours ago, ellicottraven said:

We don't need to worry about punt returns because we have Webby and SSS to take care of it if need be. As for kick returns how many opportunities will we really have for kickoff returns? Put in one of the RBs for kick return duties. No need for a super specialist in either spots imo. Save the roster spot for depth on the offense or defense.

There is absolutely no scenario where putting Webby or SSS in there to return punts is a good idea. I am not sure what the heck Harbaugh was thinking last year. It is absolutely ridiculous. Another head scratching move.... drafting Keenan Reynolds. It really seems more like a PR stunt than anything else. He isn't going to make the final roster.

Won't be to "return" punts. They can come in to field punts in obvious FC or non-return situations, much in the way they've done in the past and Ed Reed did.

Gotta realize you're probably only looking at maybe 1-2 actual returnable punts per game anyway. And naturally, given the biggest weakness at this point is the simple fielding of the punt, it makes sense for people to think putting in your best hands guys is an option.

[rmcjacket23]

So,
Are we saying feed the backs, because once again, we have no playmakers in the receiving corps?
I was not impressed with Trestmans use of the Big Recievers like Waller, throw the ball up high, so Waller or a TE can get it, not the 5'10" CB. Exploit the mismatches you have, dont throw these low balls, unless that was on Mallet

Problem is Waller doesn't know how to use his size. Plays very small for a tall guy. Steve Smith plays taller than he does.

The risk of throwing high consistently to taller players is that, particularly with less accurate passers, if you miss high, it usually leads to an INT, where that rarely happens when you miss low.

Throwing high to a player who doesn't use his height well is a very risky proposition.

[law215]

There are 3 reason why the Ravens should feed them backs. First, they are talented and capable of making plays. Second, a good run is a QB's best friend especially with aging and injury prone receivers. Finally, a good run game wins time of possession. It keeps the Ravens weak secondary on the sideline where they can cover the Gatorade cooler instead of the opponent's receivers.

[JamesA119]

Putting the ball in Joe's hands is what won them a SB. The RB's look good but never forget who the real play maker is on that team.

That was 4 years ago. Joe has been there all along since then except for 5 games last season. Take a look at his stats over that span, and he has been average. Joe needs uber talented players around him to flourish. The front office knows that. Hopefully the O-line, RBs, WRs, TEs and the defense play well this season. That's the only way putting the ball in Joe's hands can pay dividends.

[bigcatfrank1]

we are a team based on balance. The more balance we have the harder we are to stop. The good news is that this year we should have the talent to be balanced and stay balanced. Defenses can pick their poison. They take away the run and we have a ton of weapons in the passing game. Sit back on the pass and we should be able to run it down your throat. You want to blitz us... we will have plenty of talented and versatile backs who can kill you with the screen and draws. Sit two deep and our TEs will split the seams on you all day long. Short yardage and we should be able to throw two TE sets like few other teams in football can. I like the personal grouping headed into this season.

Agreed, Trestman needs to play the Defense better. I think that is your point. He made quite a few mistakes last year. The last thing we want to be is predictable. Sure the RB's look good, but that was against 1 team, playing 45 different players. Lets get everyone involved and become more unpredictable to allow Joe. RB, TE and the WR talent to shine.

[bigcatfrank1]

"What Marc Trestman’s Gameplan Should Be This Year: Feed. Dem. Backs."

I'm not sure that would warrant having a 100M+ QB at helm.

yeah really, huh. Also paying for an All pro Tight End, speedster WR and carrying a multi-faceted FB. This team needs to go out and make teams try to cover all the weapons, then turn Joe loose! Game plan should be "burn them where they aint"

[jravens1313]

On 8/12/2016 at 10:54 AM, ellicottraven said:

We don't need to worry about punt returns because we have Webby and SSS to take care of it if need be. As for kick returns how many opportunities will we really have for kickoff returns? Put in one of the RBs for kick return duties. No need for a super specialist in either spots imo. Save the roster spot for depth on the offense or defense.

I would put Dixon back at punts to see how he does. If we are going to carry 4 RB's we better use them as much as possible. 

[January J]

On August 12, 2016 at 11:21 PM, thecommish said:

we are a team based on balance. The more balance we have the harder we are to stop. The good news is that this year we should have the talent to be balanced and stay balanced. Defenses can pick their poison. They take away the run and we have a ton of weapons in the passing game. Sit back on the pass and we should be able to run it down your throat. You want to blitz us... we will have plenty of talented and versatile backs who can kill you with the screen and draws. Sit two deep and our TEs will split the seams on you all day long. Short yardage and we should be able to throw two TE sets like few other teams in football can. I like the personal grouping headed into this season.

Exactly. That's how you frustrate the hell out of defenses and wear them down until they fall apart. Hit them from every angle and punch them right in the mouth. Then once we have the lead just run the ball down their throats and milk the clock .

On August 13, 2016 at 7:41 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

Problem is Waller doesn't know how to use his size. Plays very small for a tall guy. Steve Smith plays taller than he does.

The risk of throwing high consistently to taller players is that, particularly with less accurate passers, if you miss high, it usually leads to an INT, where that rarely happens when you miss low.

Throwing high to a player who doesn't use his height well is a very risky proposition.

Unless your throwing to the corner of the end zone or the sideline.  Can't tell you how many times I saw them throwing that fade route to the corner of the end zone to one of the shortest guys on the team. Throw those to Waller or somebody else with height accurately and it's basically impossible to defend. Just like that td Carolina threw to funchess. Your right about Waller not knowing how to use his size though. Crockett had that problem last year too but I believe  he's finally starting to catch on.

3 hours ago, jravens1313 said:

I would put Dixon back at punts to see how he does. If we are going to carry 4 RB's we better use them as much as possible. 

Yeah I don't like that idea. Not only do I like putting rookies back there but he has a lot of potential in the running game and we need him fresh and healthy. Just put somebody back there who can make smart decisions and catch the damn ball. Webby or sss is fine with me. Most of the time they just fair catch it anyway and we don't have to worry about them muffing the damn thing.

Edited August 15, 2016 by January J

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4 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

yeah really, huh. Also paying for an All pro Tight End, speedster WR and carrying a multi-faceted FB. This team needs to go out and make teams try to cover all the weapons, then turn Joe loose! Game plan should be "burn them where they aint"

We know what Joe is at this point (he's in the league 8 years now) and we know what kind of offense is most likely to yield us more wins... and its a relatively balanced offense. We get up there in the 60/40 pass/run area, and you're just simply not going to be looking at a winning team in my opinion.

We are looking for something in the 500-550 pass attempt range for Flacco most likely. That's sort of the sweet spot for optimal offensive production that gives us the best chance to win games. You start getting north of around 35 attempts per game, and you're most likely going to have problems, both on offense and as a team trying to win games.

He averaged 41 pass attempts per game last season, and he was up around 38 pass attempts per game in 2013. Its not a sustainable model with Joe.

[bigcatfrank1]

  6 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

yeah really, huh. Also paying for an All pro Tight End, speedster WR and carrying a multi-faceted FB. This team needs to go out and make teams try to cover all the weapons, then turn Joe loose! Game plan should be "burn them where they aint"

We know what Joe is at this point (he's in the league 8 years now) and we know what kind of offense is most likely to yield us more wins... and its a relatively balanced offense. We get up there in the 60/40 pass/run area, and you're just simply not going to be looking at a winning team in my opinion.

We are looking for something in the 500-550 pass attempt range for Flacco most likely. That's sort of the sweet spot for optimal offensive production that gives us the best chance to win games. You start getting north of around 35 attempts per game, and you're most likely going to have problems, both on offense and as a team trying to win games.

He averaged 41 pass attempts per game last season, and he was up around 38 pass attempts per game in 2013. Its not a sustainable model with Joe.

Agreed, so how does balance transform into a "feed dem backs" mentality? Again, is passing to the RB is what this headline meant, I dont believe so. As far as what Joe is, I see Joe basically proving most people wrong year after year. He has improved as a QB year after year. His Super-Bowl MVP year, though incredibly impressive, doesn't have to represent his pinnacle. 4000+ yards and a a completion ratio 64-66 is not out of the question for Joe. In fact, just think back on how many "dropped" passes there have been. So sure, Run-Pass-Run-Pass-Pass-Run-Run-Run-Pass-Pass SCORE! Don't drop the ball and don't turn over the ball.. this is what will improve the Run and Pass game.

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8 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

Agreed, so how does balance transform into a "feed dem backs" mentality? Again, is passing to the RB is what this headline meant, I dont believe so. As far as what Joe is, I see Joe basically proving most people wrong year after year. He has improved as a QB year after year. His Super-Bowl MVP year, though incredibly impressive, doesn't have to represent his pinnacle. 4000+ yards and a a completion ratio 64-66 is not out of the question for Joe. In fact, just think back on how many "dropped" passes there have been. So sure, Run-Pass-Run-Pass-Pass-Run-Run-Run-Pass-Pass SCORE! Don't drop the ball and don't turn over the ball.. this is what will improve the Run and Pass game.

Because the perception is that Trestman doesn't like to "feed his RBs". He will utilize them out of the passing game, but that's not necessarily where our backs will excel. He's traditionally an OC who likes to throw the ball 60% or more of the time, which isn't going to work.