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[January J]

10 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I think Taliafero remains on PUP just in case there is a mid season injury to our RB group, mainly West who seems to be the only back we have to provide that downhill physical type running. 

That sounds about right. They will probably keep him there until he's needed and to prevent him gettin swiped up. I like him and thought he could be our bruiser last year but I've lost my patience with him and he's not even on Mr Wests level right now.

[Deflated Football]

1 hour ago, January J said:

That sounds about right. They will probably keep him there until he's needed and to prevent him gettin swiped up. I like him and thought he could be our bruiser last year but I've lost my patience with him and he's not even on Mr Wests level right now.

Yup. LT has an uphill battle ahead of him. He's 5th on the depth chart. Don't even know why we've kept him this long. One or two of these guys needs to go to give West and Dixon some snaps. I think Buck has reached his ceiling. A good receiving back and that's it. Do we really want to keep him when Forsett can do the same thing? I don't like KD being last on the depth chart. I like a three headed monster in him, Forsett and West. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, January J said:

That sounds about right. They will probably keep him there until he's needed and to prevent him gettin swiped up. I like him and thought he could be our bruiser last year but I've lost my patience with him and he's not even on Mr Wests level right now.

Talliaferro is no bruiser. He's big and fast but soft as cotton. Its a real head scratcher. 

[JoeyFlex5]

32 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

Yup. LT has an uphill battle ahead of him. He's 5th on the depth chart. Don't even know why we've kept him this long. One or two of these guys needs to go to give West and Dixon some snaps. I think Buck has reached his ceiling. A good receiving back and that's it. Do we really want to keep him when Forsett can do the same thing? I don't like KD being last on the depth chart. I like a three headed monster in him, Forsett and West. 

Forsett is Still a very limited runner. He doesn't do well with contact, he just goes down too easily and with cut blocks being outruled the offensive system that caters to him is now far less effective. Plus his age and all.. Buck is more than a receiving back, he is a fluid runner and a powerful back, and he excels in 3rd down play, specifically blitz pickups, and he is only in year 2.

I think buck is gonna be here for a long time as a 3rd down back and short yardage guy. A rb you can depend on to stay home and pass protect and have the instincts to run out for the dumpoff at the right times can't be understated, and with an offense emphasizing speed and deep ball it is key to keeping drives alive. 

[Militant X 1]

On 8/12/2016 at 11:58 AM, Steve0x said:

You don't play stars during preseason cause if they get a major injury y'all will say there goes our season.

And when they come out flat...then what?

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Talliaferro is no bruiser. He's big and fast but soft as cotton. Its a real head scratcher. 

Yeah, gonna say you're completely wrong. Taliaferro isn't exceptionally fast or explosive, but he's a powerful back that was installed in goal-line and short yardage packages when healthy to spell Forsett. He's always falling forward and shows the ability to carry a crowd.

Unless you're referring to the injuries, which are just an unfortunate part of the game.

Edited August 16, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[JoeyFlex5]

4 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Yeah, gonna say you're completely wrong. Taliaferro isn't exceptionally fast or explosive, but he's a powerful back that was installed in goal-line and short yardage packages when healthy to spell Forsett. He's always falling forward and shows the ability to carry a crowd.

Unless you're referring to the injuries, which are just an unfortunate part of the game.

No. I'm referring to his upright running style and the fact that he gives little to no effort to lower his pads to churn for extra yardage. He is fast for his size, but is also weak for his size because he runs high and with low effort. The small sample size from the last time we saw him looked better than his rookie year, but prior to that he ran soft for the most part. 

I don't know what you're seeing..

[January J]

17 hours ago, Deflated Football said:

Yup. LT has an uphill battle ahead of him. He's 5th on the depth chart. Don't even know why we've kept him this long. One or two of these guys needs to go to give West and Dixon some snaps. I think Buck has reached his ceiling. A good receiving back and that's it. Do we really want to keep him when Forsett can do the same thing? I don't like KD being last on the depth chart. I like a three headed monster in him, Forsett and West. 

Buck has reached his ceiling? He's going into his second season and he's already showed that he could carry the load when forsett went down. Granted he didn't put up spectacular numbers but like I said he was a rookie. He can flourish in trestmans system, just the type if back he likes..not so sure why so many are down on  him. Forsett can do the same thing this year yeah- which is why we will keep both. But next year forsett is probably expendable  and we are looking at the future with Dixon, west and buck. But yeah  Dixon may eventually pass buck on the depth chart very soon if he keeps it up, we will see. But we actually have a 4 headed monster in the works which bodes very well with what we are trying to do. Get back to ravens football and punch the ball down  teams throats. And all 4 of them fit trests style perfectly with 3 of them very skilled at catching the ball in the back feild and all of them being pretty good at pass blocking.

Edited August 16, 2016 by January J

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No. I'm referring to his upright running style and the fact that he gives little to no effort to lower his pads to churn for extra yardage. He is fast for his size, but is also weak for his size because he runs high and with low effort. The small sample size from the last time we saw him looked better than his rookie year, but prior to that he ran soft for the most part. 

I don't know what you're seeing..

Pretty much feel like you're looking at Buck Allen, not LT

[rossihunter2]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

No. I'm referring to his upright running style and the fact that he gives little to no effort to lower his pads to churn for extra yardage. He is fast for his size, but is also weak for his size because he runs high and with low effort. The small sample size from the last time we saw him looked better than his rookie year, but prior to that he ran soft for the most part. 

I don't know what you're seeing..

i remember seeing some nice flashes from lt where he finished off plays his rookie year - not so much last year though

it feels like every year we bring in a new rb and the media goes crazy that they are gonna be the next superstar workhorse and then they kind of drift into the ether lt, then buck and now kd each pushing the one before into obscurity

[OUravensfan]

2 hours ago, rossihunter2 said:

i remember seeing some nice flashes from lt where he finished off plays his rookie year - not so much last year though

it feels like every year we bring in a new rb and the media goes crazy that they are gonna be the next superstar workhorse and then they kind of drift into the ether lt, then buck and now kd each pushing the one before into obscurity

The game against the bengals he looked real good

[Deflated Football]

6 hours ago, January J said:

Buck has reached his ceiling? He's going into his second season and he's already showed that he could carry the load when forsett went down. Granted he didn't put up spectacular numbers but like I said he was a rookie. He can flourish in trestmans system, just the type if back he likes..not so sure why so many are down on  him. Forsett can do the same thing this year yeah- which is why we will keep both. But next year forsett is probably expendable  and we are looking at the future with Dixon, west and buck. But yeah  Dixon may eventually pass buck on the depth chart very soon if he keeps it up, we will see. But we actually have a 4 headed monster in the works which bodes very well with what we are trying to do. Get back to ravens football and punch the ball down  teams throats. And all 4 of them fit trests style perfectly with 3 of them very skilled at catching the ball in the back feild and all of them being pretty good at pass blocking.

I just don't see it with Buck. Barely got under 4 yards per carry last season. Maybe it was due to an iffy offensive line, but Forsett still managed 4.2 with the same line for the most part. 

[ravensnj]

I would like to see Flacco play the first series. Throw a  few deep balls to Wallace and Moore, hand off one, and get to the sidelines for the remainder of the game.

Edited August 16, 2016 by ravensnj

[Ravensfan23]

13 hours ago, January J said:

Buck has reached his ceiling? He's going into his second season and he's already showed that he could carry the load when forsett went down. Granted he didn't put up spectacular numbers but like I said he was a rookie. He can flourish in trestmans system, just the type if back he likes..not so sure why so many are down on  him. Forsett can do the same thing this year yeah- which is why we will keep both. But next year forsett is probably expendable  and we are looking at the future with Dixon, west and buck. But yeah  Dixon may eventually pass buck on the depth chart very soon if he keeps it up, we will see. But we actually have a 4 headed monster in the works which bodes very well with what we are trying to do. Get back to ravens football and punch the ball down  teams throats. And all 4 of them fit trests style perfectly with 3 of them very skilled at catching the ball in the back feild and all of them being pretty good at pass blocking.

It's the shiny new toy affect. Even though West isn't new, he put in work to transform his body and he's a much different back then people saw last year and Dixon is the new exciting guy. Buck definitely has a place on this team. I don't think any of the backs are workhorses so a rotation will be really good for all of them. 

[rossihunter2]

47 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's the shiny new toy affect. Even though West isn't new, he put in work to transform his body and he's a much different back then people saw last year and Dixon is the new exciting guy. Buck definitely has a place on this team. I don't think any of the backs are workhorses so a rotation will be really good for all of them. 

On that subject there are very few one back true workhorses in the league at the moment anyway: Adrian Peterson, David Johnson, Todd gurley, leveon bell, demarco Murray (if he's healthy) and maybe Thomas rawls(likewise) and Doug Martin

[FerrariFan87]

Just looking to see us build on the positives from PS Week 1 and to limit the negatives. Would like to see the WRs/TEs make some big plays this week.

 

And as always, stay healthy!

[Cillmatic]

Flacco probably shouldn't play this week, yesterday he said his knee still isn't 100% and that he'd be fine with NOT playing. Does seem worth the risk and I think he knows it as well.

[ravensnj]

20 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

It's the shiny new toy affect. Even though West isn't new, he put in work to transform his body and he's a much different back then people saw last year and Dixon is the new exciting guy. Buck definitely has a place on this team. I don't think any of the backs are workhorses so a rotation will be really good for all of them. 

Luv "the shiny new toy affect" so true, especially when it comes to rookies!

[IGwheaties_man]

On 8/12/2016 at 11:58 AM, Steve0x said:

You don't play stars during preseason cause if they get a major injury y'all will say there goes our season.

And this is why Flacco, Suggs, and SS need to be kept on the bench. Sam Bradford, in his final season with the Rams (and they actually looked like they'd do damage with a healthy Bradford) was injured in a preseason game. Vs. The Browns nonetheless. Talk about demoralizing. Keep them on the bench. Flacco's knee isn't even 100% in his own words. That's a terrible message to send to defenders around the league.. 

[757RavensFan]

On 8/15/2016 at 1:25 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

Talliaferro is no bruiser. He's big and fast but soft as cotton. Its a real head scratcher. 

Unless you're the window in a taxi-cab. 

Edited August 19, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[757RavensFan]

I think it's pretty safe to say that Joe is not playing tomorrow.  Hoping he plays most of the 1st half of the 3rd game. Limiting his time in the pocket by only throwing short timing patterns nothing that requires more than a 3 step drop.  

[usmccharles]

 

On ‎8‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 5:33 PM, rossihunter2 said:

On that subject there are very few one back true workhorses in the league at the moment anyway: Adrian Peterson, David Johnson, Todd gurley, leveon bell, demarco Murray (if he's healthy) and maybe Thomas rawls(likewise) and Doug Martin

David Johnson had 4 games of double digit carries, a total of 7 if you count receptions and carries...125 carries and 36 receptions in a year is not what I would call a "workhorse"

Edited August 18, 2016 by usmccharles

[ludy51]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

I think it's pretty safe to say that Joe is not playing tomorrow.  Hoping he plays most of the 1st half of the 3rd game. Limiting his time in the pocket by only throwing short timing patterns nothing that requires more than a 3 step drop.  

I think it's safe to say nobody is playing tomorrow?

[Cillmatic]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

I think it's pretty safe to say that Joe is not playing tomorrow.  Hoping he plays most of the 1st half of the 3rd game. Limiting his time in the pocket by only throwing short timing patterns nothing that requires more than a 3 step drop.  

Think the game's Saturday.

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, ludy51 said:

I think it's safe to say nobody is playing tomorrow?

 

2 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Think the game's Saturday.

Yall knew what the heck I meant.  LOL. 

[Raven'evermore]

 Didn't realize Joe wasn't fully healed so have to take back my previous post.  Keep him on the bench.  Just hope he's ready come September because no matter how good we look, we still need our quarterback.  If he's not 100% healthy, then what percent is he?

[ravensdan]

8 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Unless your the window in a taxi-cab. 

That's awesome!

[rossihunter2]

22 hours ago, usmccharles said:

 

David Johnson had 4 games of double digit carries, a total of 7 if you count receptions and carries...125 carries and 36 receptions in a year is not what I would call a "workhorse"

I think it's obvious though that he has the skill set to do it

[usmccharles]

57 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

I think it's obvious though that he has the skill set to do it

Could he? Yes.  But I don't think 4 games of double digit carries makes him an obvious workhorse, but that's just me. 

[rossihunter2]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Could he? Yes.  But I don't think 4 games of double digit carries makes him an obvious workhorse, but that's just me. 

But he did look good as a starter - remember he didn't take over from Chris Johnson and Andre Ellington until later in the season

 

and being a workhorse in modern nfl is about staying on the field which means being effective out of the backfield and in pass protection so that you don't have to come off the field which he very much did for the cards

Edited August 19, 2016 by rossihunter2