The good bad and ugly Pre-Season 1

[JoeyFlex5]

X factor for the year... Keeping the run game consistent and working our backs into the passing game as much as possible. I'm talking 2 back shotgun formations with both of them being the primary targets. Keep the field wide open with speed and the threat of a TE up the seam and get the backs the ball in space. We need 2 of our backs to get at least 15 touches a game

[Sizzlebshu]

Anyone else notice that we are basically a 4-3 now even tho we dont really have the personnel to run it

[Boddiebroadus]

I thought Elam and Brooks played really well. They were out there most of the game and it was really humid from what I understand. I think either of them are a step above K. Lewis. Plus I'm not sure if I trust Webb out there. I think either of them could play along side Weddle and learn a lot and become the starters they were suppose to be. 

[jazz1988]

7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Could also depend on how we view our safeties. We know Weddle and Webb are going to be on the team, but outside of that, its a total guessing game. Kendrick Lewis figures to make it, and we've all just assumed that Elam and Brooks were probably competing for one spot. But what if we decide to keep all 5? Hard to imagine us going more than 10 secondary players on the 53 man, so if we decide to keep 5 safeties, that only leaves 5 corners, meaning Price/Davis/Canady and Arrington are competing for one spot.

I think Kendrick Lewis may get traded especially to The Houston Texans. Unless The Ravens are seriously concern with Webb health I don't know how he fits. I don't know if he's a good special teamer, I'm not sure if he's versatile enough to play linebacker like Elam and Levine because I never saw any reports that he was used in such a way, and  for a guy that's always been a starter for most  of  his career it may be best to give him opportunity to play else where.

Edited August 12, 2016 by jazz1988

[52liveforever]

27 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Kendrick Lewis may get traded especially to The Houston Texans. Unless The Ravens are seriously concern with Webb health I don't know how he fits. I don't know if he's a good special teamer, I'm not sure if he's versatile enough to play linebacker like Elam and Levine because I never saw any reports that he was used in such a way, and  for a guy that's always been a starter for most  of  his career it may be best to give him opportunity to play else where.

If you don't know so much how do you come up with such conclusions? Not trying to be mean, but really.

[bMore Heathen]

1 hour ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Kendrick Lewis may get traded especially to The Houston Texans. Unless The Ravens are seriously concern with Webb health I don't know how he fits. I don't know if he's a good special teamer, I'm not sure if he's versatile enough to play linebacker like Elam and Levine because I never saw any reports that he was used in such a way, and  for a guy that's always been a starter for most  of  his career it may be best to give him opportunity to play else where.

Wasn't Kendrick Lewis on the Texans before he came here? Doubt they would give up anything for him. 

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, 52liveforever said:

If you don't know so much how do you come up with such conclusions? Not trying to be mean, but really.

From all the training camp reports/notes I've saw it never mentioned Kendrick Lewis  being used as linebacker like Elam and Levine. Not everything that goes on in training camp is reported so I don't know for sure if it's completely true  but for the most part when it comes to using safeties at inside linebacker it has only been Elam and Levine being named. The guy just last year was The Ravens starting free/strong safety so I  thought it would be more news on how the coaches was trying to get him on the field. I don't know how well Lewis can play on special teams but I do know just about every backup safety on The Ravens team during Harbaugh era were capable special teamers..

 

If Elam, Brooks,and Levine continue to impress/play well then where does that leave Lewis? All three of those guys give the secondary more versatility  than Lewis . Levine him self can play linebacker, nickel corner, both safety position and outside corner. Lewis last year had to move to strong safety because he wasn't capable of handling the free safety position and then The Ravens went on to sign Eric Weddle.One of The reason why I mentioned The Houston Texans is because they need safety help and their defensive coordinator has always liked Lewis.

Edited August 12, 2016 by jazz1988

[Runnin Raven]

Basically missed the whole game :(.  Did Mike Wallace play at all?

[Ravensfan23]

29 minutes ago, Runnin Raven said:

Basically missed the whole game :(.  Did Mike Wallace play at all?

No. The only starters to play on offense was the oline and Juice.

[jazz1988]

1 hour ago, bMore Heathen said:

Wasn't Kendrick Lewis on the Texans before he came here? Doubt they would give up anything for him. 

He was and it was reported that they wanted him back but I guess The Ravens offered him more money 

Edited August 12, 2016 by jazz1988

[Sami84]

on another note, carl davis just looks like a very average player at best in the NFL. I don't see him ever being an impact player at this level.

[52liveforever]

3 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

From all the training camp reports/notes I've saw it never mentioned Kendrick Lewis  being used as linebacker like Elam and Levine. Not everything that goes on in training camp is reported so I don't know for sure if it's completely true  but for the most part when it comes to using safeties at inside linebacker it has only been Elam and Levine being named. The guy just last year was The Ravens starting free/strong safety so I  thought it would be more news on how the coaches was trying to get him on the field. I don't know how well Lewis can play on special teams but I do know just about every backup safety on The Ravens team during Harbaugh era were capable special teamers..

 

If Elam, Brooks,and Levine continue to impress/play well then where does that leave Lewis? All three of those guys give the secondary more versatility  than Lewis . Levine him self can play linebacker, nickel corner, both safety position and outside corner. Lewis last year had to move to strong safety because he wasn't capable of handling the free safety position and then The Ravens went on to sign Eric Weddle.One of The reason why I mentioned The Houston Texans is because they need safety help and their defensive coordinator has always liked Lewis.

Not disagreeing one bit really.

So id first like to say I've never gotten the hype on Levine. I think he's a hard working and a company man who will do whatever the company needs or wants him to do so I really love that about him. As far as play goes I've never seen much in him. At least in Brooks we have seen flashes imo super bright flashes. Brooks just hasn't been consistent. Elam has shown flickers and him being a first round pick you really hope it comes together eventually. Honestly I'd cut Lewis. I don't see him being valued enough by other teams to trade him.

[rmw10]

33 minutes ago, 52liveforever said:

Not disagreeing one bit really.

So id first like to say I've never gotten the hype on Levine. I think he's a hard working and a company man who will do whatever the company needs or wants him to do so I really love that about him. As far as play goes I've never seen much in him. At least in Brooks we have seen flashes imo super bright flashes. Brooks just hasn't been consistent. Elam has shown flickers and him being a first round pick you really hope it comes together eventually. Honestly I'd cut Lewis. I don't see him being valued enough by other teams to trade him.

Levine's role isn't to shine on defense though.  His main role is as a STer, and as we've seen for many years now, that's very important for Harbaugh and this team in general.  They consistently opt for guys who excel on ST over a bubble guy that show a little promise every single year.

[rmw10]

And on Lewis, the team likes him no matter what the fans think.  It's been widely reported all offseason that he's a staff favorite because they think he can slot in to both safety spots and give decent play.

To take that a step further, why would he have any trade value if he's as bad as many make him out to be?  It's another case of someone overrating his value on the market (which is 0) compared to his value to us.  Trades are not common whatsoever in the NFL.

[DomMcRaven]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

X factor for the year... Keeping the run game consistent and working our backs into the passing game as much as possible. I'm talking 2 back shotgun formations with both of them being the primary targets. Keep the field wide open with speed and the threat of a TE up the seam and get the backs the ball in space. We need 2 of our backs to get at least 15 touches a game

I actually think Mike Wallace and a healthy Perriman will be the x-factor. Their speed alone will open up the running game. Don't get me wrong, you make really good points, but we saw what happened last season with our running game when we lacked a true deep threat. 

[Edgar]

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

X factor for the year... Keeping the run game consistent and working our backs into the passing game as much as possible. I'm talking 2 back shotgun formations with both of them being the primary targets. Keep the field wide open with speed and the threat of a TE up the seam and get the backs the ball in space. We need 2 of our backs to get at least 15 touches a game

There is a real opportunity to keep a defense guessing and legitimately worried about a very multiple running attack. I agree with you in that it is time for Trestman to be creative in the run game....unconventional even.

I'm wondering how essential juice is. We can run the ball out of multiple sets and be less predictable without him on the field.

[rmcjacket23]

9 hours ago, rmw10 said:

And on Lewis, the team likes him no matter what the fans think.  It's been widely reported all offseason that he's a staff favorite because they think he can slot in to both safety spots and give decent play.

To take that a step further, why would he have any trade value if he's as bad as many make him out to be?  It's another case of someone overrating his value on the market (which is 0) compared to his value to us.  Trades are not common whatsoever in the NFL.

He's a solid backup FS. He should be expected to make this team.

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, jazz1988 said:

I think Kendrick Lewis may get traded especially to The Houston Texans. Unless The Ravens are seriously concern with Webb health I don't know how he fits. I don't know if he's a good special teamer, I'm not sure if he's versatile enough to play linebacker like Elam and Levine because I never saw any reports that he was used in such a way, and  for a guy that's always been a starter for most  of  his career it may be best to give him opportunity to play else where.

He doesn't have any trade value, nor do trades really happen often in the NFL.

Plus, he's basically the 3rd best safety on this team, so you'd be trading depth at a position with question marks for what benefit exactly? You like the idea of Terrence Brooks or Matt Elam as a starting safety on this team? I don't, and I certainly don't like either of them more than Lewis. 

[Wildabeast88]

22 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont see any way we go with less than 6 corners, just because of the last 2 years. I get we have a safety that is really a corner, but he was a declining corner last we saw... and other than Brooks being in position to make an immediate tackle after allowing the completion, i have no faith in any other safety in coverage consistently (outside Weddle obviously).

With seeing how quickly depth at corner can be depleted, and having a lack of talent at the position can ruin an otherwise promising season (and potential SB berth in 2014) I just cant see the FO risking it by going light at the position, especially when there are 5, 6, maybe even 7 guys capable of contributing.

Much easier to hang on to the talent you have now who already knows what youre trying to do on defense than to scramble for help later on when injuries pile up. And its not like we have 3 guys at the top of the depth chart who are studs and absolute locks to start every game, play every down.

I think we not only need the depth, but need competent guys to push guys like Wright and Powers for snaps.

As far as the Safety position remember we still have Levine who has transitioned to a nickel/coverge LB who could play Safety as well I think we go CB heavy with only 4 Safeties. At CB I see Smith Wright Young Davis Price Powers Canady with the chance of Canady going to the "fake IR" with his being injured but no less than 6 CBs. Remember if Davi is healthy he can play remember him shutting Antonio Brown down with 5 or 48 or something like that. 

[Guest]

The Good

Mallet - The pick wasn't his fault and he made quick accurate throws

Dixon - Showed the elusiveness we hoped

Judon - Led the team in tackles and had a sack. I'll remind the board, he was my pick for most effective Drafted Rookie.  Yes it was preseason.

Carter - Newsome has been missing on FA's and he showed promise

Z Smith - He has a surge, but will need breaks. His motor is small

Z Orr   - I'm beginning to believe

The Bad

Jimmy Smith we won't have much of a secondary if he continues to play like this

 

 

[Cillmatic]

After seeing the game and seeing that half of the corners that we have just missed practice I think it would do us well to trade for a CB.

[KBoum]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

After seeing the game and seeing that half of the corners that we have just missed practice I think it would do us well to trade for a CB.

Should have traded up with a 4th rounder to pick Mackensie Alexander... gonna be a stud.

[jimmypowder]

As much as iv'e heard about Correa making plays in training camp I don't believe his name was called once 

during the Panthers game. 

[trevorsteadman]

5 minutes ago, jimmypowder said:

As much as iv'e heard about Correa making plays in training camp I don't believe his name was called once 

during the Panthers game. 

Because he brought pressure and not sacks. I don't think he recorded a tackle but he was around the ball a lot.

[BmoreBird22]

18 minutes ago, KBoum said:

Should have traded up with a 4th rounder to pick Mackensie Alexander... gonna be a stud.

Or just stayed put and took him.

[January J]

3 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

As much as iv'e heard about Correa making plays in training camp I don't believe his name was called once 

during the Panthers game. 

It was a few times but not for anything major. He set the edge and got pressure on the qb quite a few times but nothing that showed up on the stat sheet. I expected to see more from him but we'll see what happens in the next few games 

[January J]

Really sucks to see sterling Sheppard and Tyler Boyd making sweet catches so far knowing we could have had either of them. Not to mention diggs from last year has been lighting it up. Will never know why we didn't take him after he fell all the way past the 4th.

[jazz1988]

16 hours ago, rmw10 said:

Levine's role isn't to shine on defense though.  His main role is as a STer, and as we've seen for many years now, that's very important for Harbaugh and this team in general.  They consistently opt for guys who excel on ST over a bubble guy that show a little promise every single year.

True but The Ravens aren't using Levine and Elam as linebackers for no reason.I'm sure they doing it just in case a guy like Zach Orr struggles on passing situations and also to add more speed on the field...Orr played quite well on Thursday night but I wasn't able to see how he preformed  in coverage .

 

Levine or even Elam could be quite valuable if The Ravens linebacker options next to CJ Mosley aren't more than run stuffers and good blitzers .

[Guest]

3 hours ago, jimmypowder said:

As much as iv'e heard about Correa making plays in training camp I don't believe his name was called once 

during the Panthers game. 

I'd recommend isolating him on the film.  When he reacted quickly he guessed wrong. When he waited for the read it was too late to get in. 

The draft from #4 down is showing good promise however. 

[rmw10]

29 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

True but The Ravens aren't using Levine and Elam as linebackers for no reason.I'm sure they doing it just in case a guy like Zach Orr struggles on passing situations and also to add more speed on the field...Orr played quite well on Thursday night but I wasn't able to see how he preformed  in coverage .

 

Levine or even Elam could be quite valuable if The Ravens linebacker options next to CJ Mosley aren't more than run stuffers and good blitzers .

I'm not saying they don't have value. I was just illustrating the point that guys like Levine, who has been pretty much solely a STer outside of this year, typically get roster spots over guys who have shown a little promise.