TE trades

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Trading for our TE's.....ain't nobody got time for that!

Who in their right mind would trade for Dennis Pitta? What GM is out there saying, "I need to get him on the field and worry about that twice snapped in half left leg every single time he's on the field because I really need that drama!"

Who would trade for beat up Gillmore right now? Guy is coming off of a shoulder labrum surgery (which are not automatic success stories), Was going to have the same thing done on his other shoulder but supposedly he doesn't need it. I bet you he gets that one done next off season. And he's currently out of practice with a hamstring injury.

Ravens are NOT going to trade: Watson, Williams.

If teams want Waller or Boyle they can't have them until after their suspensions are up anyway, at which point they might be cut from the roster and you can just claim them for free at that point. Why make a trade?

It's not likely but if someone offered an equivalent LB or T or late pick I'd let Pitta go. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

27 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

It's not likely but if someone offered an equivalent LB or T or late pick I'd let Pitta go. 

I don't like to deal in absolute certainties, but if I was going to make one, I'd be absolutely certain that nobody calls up and asks about a trade for Dennis Pitta. This isn't a knock on Dennis Pitta's talent, guts, or toughness. The guy has been out of football for a couple of years because he broke the same hip twice and I know for sure one of them happened with no contact at all. I don't recall how the first one happened off the top of my head. I don't even think the Ravens are counting on him to take a whole lot of snaps, probably won't be asked to block. Probably just goal line passing situations. So if a team is looking for a starting level TE then I can't see anyone legitimately looking at Pitta as that guy.

[trevorsteadman]

I say keep them so you can have two intermediate pass catchers/blockers on the field at the same time. Add in Steve/Kamar in the slot and Mike/Breshad on the edges stretching the field. Add in fresh legs at running back. We have struggled with depth the last 2 seasons no reason to trade away a valuable tight end. Especially when one probably plays one year for us or at most finishes out his second year of his contract.

[jdynamite]

I wasn't a fan of the Watson signing, but at the time it made a lot more sense. I mean the 10-game suspension for Boyle, and the signing of Watson seemed to mark the end of Pitta. Only we fast forward and Pitta appears to be looking really good by most reports, the team moved Waller to TE after signing Watson to further clutter it up. 

I just get the feeling Maxx Williams' potential and growth will be hindered for sure...

 

[Raven'evermore]

 Anyone else concerned about Pitta's injury?  You can stop laughing now.  My point is that even though it's only a finger, he still needs to be out on the playing field competing against opposing teams to see how well his hip holds up.  I don't see how we're going to keep all these TEs, but it would help in deciding who stays or goes if we could make a true evaluation of Pitta before the regular season begins.  Otherwise we could make the mistake of cutting someone such as Waller or Boyle who would be picked up, only to find out later that Pitta actually won't be able to play.  For what it's worth, I think he's the best TE we have.  

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, Raven'evermore said:

 Anyone else concerned about Pitta's injury?  You can stop laughing now.  My point is that even though it's only a finger, he still needs to be out on the playing field competing against opposing teams to see how well his hip holds up.  I don't see how we're going to keep all these TEs, but it would help in deciding who stays or goes if we could make a true evaluation of Pitta before the regular season begins.  Otherwise we could make the mistake of cutting someone such as Waller or Boyle who would be picked up, only to find out later that Pitta actually won't be able to play.  For what it's worth, I think he's the best TE we have.  

Waller and Boyle are both suspended so no need to worry about them yet.  Pitta will get his chance to play here soon.

[Raven'evermore]

10 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Waller and Boyle are both suspended so no need to worry about them yet.  Pitta will get his chance to play here soon.

 Thanks, I'd forgotten the significance of their suspensions. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Am I missing something?

Is Eric Ebron injured? I though he was just returning earlier this month and looked really good so far. Why are the Lions then trading for an aging, injured, or very young TE to be a back up?

Seriously - not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful in any way. Just feel like i must be missing something.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I also think we need to stop worrying about how we keep all 4 of these TE's... just think about it as pass catchers.

Currently looks like Maxx is the 4th TE (assuming Gillmore's ahead of him though that could be wrong)... so would you prefer Maxx to Moore? Reynolds? Butler? Matthews? Camp? Wallace?

I'd say yes to all except potentially Wallace. If I had the hindsight of knowing Camp stayed completely healthy for the year, I'd probably rather have a guy like him. But as I see it now all 4 TEs are squarely in the conversation as part of our top 8 weapons, somewhere in the pecking order.

And thats assuming SSS/Perriman return and are also definitely in that top 8. If they dont, id say all 4 TEs are in our top 6 weapons... making the case even more that we need to keep them all.

Edited August 16, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Am I missing something?

Is Eric Ebron injured? I though he was just returning earlier this month and looked really good so far. Why are the Lions then trading for an aging, injured, or very young TE to be a back up?

Seriously - not trying to be sarcastic or disrespectful in any way. Just feel like i must be missing something.

At the time, Ebron was said to have been carted off with a non-contact injury and they said it didn't look good.  It clearly wasn't as bad as many thought, though.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

At the time, Ebron was said to have been carted off with a non-contact injury and they said it didn't look good.  It clearly wasn't as bad as many thought, though.

Gotcha - makes more sense now. Thanks.

Part of that question was that i just took him as my back up TE in my fantasy draft last night, and was concerned i missed something and wasted a pick.

Edited August 16, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[Corvus_corax]

I've heard various people say that if we trade away one of our TEs then that man should be Crockett Gillmore. To me that is madness.

Why in the world would you trade away a guy in his mid 20s who has flashed potential in order to hold on to a 35yo and a 31yo with a knackered hip? That is just dumb. Real dumb. Ben Watson and Dennis Pitta have no future in the game, Crockett Gillmore does. Why create problems for yourself further down the line(probably as soon as next season) when you don't have to? That's the sort of decision the Browns would make.

If anyone is leaving the TE room it should be Watson or Pitta. Or both. Those guys are the past. Gillmore and Williams should be our future.

Edited August 18, 2016 by Corvus_corax

[Deflated Football]

14 minutes ago, Corvus_corax said:

I've heard various people say that if we trade away one of our TEs then that man should be Crockett Gillmore. To me that is madness.

Why in the world would you trade away a guy in his mid 20s who has flashed potential in order to hold on to a 35yo and a 31yo with a knackered hip? That is just dumb. Real dumb. Ben Watson and Dennis Pitta have no future in the game, Crockett Gillmore does. Why create problems for yourself further down the line(probably as soon as next season) when you don't have to? That's the sort of decision the Browns would make.

If anyone is leaving the TE room it should be Watson or Pitta. Or both. Those guys are the past. Gillmore and Williams should be our future.

I just didn't think Watson or Pitta was an option since one is newly signed and a good veteran presence, and the other has major injury concerns, respectively. Doubt anyone would trade anything for either. 

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, Deflated Football said:

I just didn't think Watson or Pitta was an option since one is newly signed and a good veteran presence, and the other has major injury concerns, respectively. Doubt anyone would trade anything for either. 

Correct. Maxx and Crockett would be the only two with any possible trade value, given their age.

Also quite risky, considering it wouldn't surprise anybody if Watson and Pitta weren't on the team next year, meaning we'd lose almost all depth we have.

[CognitiveCorvus]

On 18 August 2016 at 4:40 PM, Corvus_corax said:

I've heard various people say that if we trade away one of our TEs then that man should be Crockett Gillmore. To me that is madness.

Why in the world would you trade away a guy in his mid 20s who has flashed potential in order to hold on to a 35yo and a 31yo with a knackered hip? That is just dumb. Real dumb. Ben Watson and Dennis Pitta have no future in the game, Crockett Gillmore does. Why create problems for yourself further down the line(probably as soon as next season) when you don't have to? That's the sort of decision the Browns would make.

If anyone is leaving the TE room it should be Watson or Pitta. Or both. Those guys are the past. Gillmore and Williams should be our future.

 

Personally thought Gilmore didn't look at all good in the second preseason game.

 

awareness, catching, running and especially blocking all lacked what I'd expect of a Ravens to be honest