Dameshek lists Ravens triplets 29th of 32 on NFL.com, Seriously?

[Bruce_Almty]

Having read the article, dameshek is pretty much on point with all that he said about the ravens players. We may not like his ranking system and his projected triplets but we're still in the dead-zone for NFL reporting and any story, no matter how inane, draws eyeballs.

[The Raven]

13 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

We're really feeling the drastic effects of recency bias. People are putting Dalton and Carr over Flacco which is a complete joke 

We're talking triplets here? Well, I'm taking Latavius Murray, Amari Cooper, and Derek Carr over our triplet every day of the week.

If Flacco had those two to work with...

[BmoreBird22]

3 hours ago, Tru11 said:

im pretty sure i have not been debating other rankings but only the ravens ranking.

The last thing you asked was which triplets he would place below the Ravens and I simply asked if you saw the list.

And at this point, I'd consider Kamar Aiken the number one and while I don't expect him to repeat his numbers in any capacity due to the volume of targets, his skillset last season showed it probably wasn't a fluke. 

Austin is pretty much a gadget player who needs to be schemed open to be... productive. Also, it's about QB, RB, WR, so I don't really care if he is a great PR option because that's not a receiver. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I have no idea how this guy has a job writing for the NFL. Unless, of course, he gets paid to be extremely biased. He's a clown. don't even click on his articles. 

Hard to argue about our triplets though. Outside of Flacco, who else is a consistent piece? Some doubt about Forsett, Aiken had one great year. SSS coming off of injury. It's warranted. 

Edited August 7, 2016 by RavensPunkXVX

[Tru11]

28 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

The last thing you asked was which triplets he would place below the Ravens and I simply asked if you saw the list.

And at this point, I'd consider Kamar Aiken the number one and while I don't expect him to repeat his numbers in any capacity due to the volume of targets, his skillset last season showed it probably wasn't a fluke. 

Austin is pretty much a gadget player who needs to be schemed open to be... productive. Also, it's about QB, RB, WR, so I don't really care if he is a great PR option because that's not a receiver. 

who you consider to be the no1 receiver has nothing to do with this article and the discussion.

the author picked SSS and that is who we are using.

comparing SSS and tavon austin at this point in their careers its really pretty reasonable to go with austin especially if you have to consider that SSS is 37 years old trying to come back from an achilles injury.

you are free to list all the 37 year old receivers that where still putting up respectable numbers at their age.
other then jerry rice i cant think of any.
coupled that with the achilles injury and the odds are heavily stacked against SSS and thus making someone pick austin over SSS pretty much reasonable and logical.

BTW if you read the article you would have known that he had austin(30) just 1 spot ahead of SSS(31) and flacco(19) 10 spots ahead of goff (29) which seems pretty reasonable.
the reason the rams are higher then the ravens is because he had forsett at 27 and gurley at 2 which in itself seems pretty fair as well.
unless you think gurley is not good or forsett is that much better.....

 

 

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

We're talking triplets here? Well, I'm taking Latavius Murray, Amari Cooper, and Derek Carr over our triplet every day of the week.

If Flacco had those two to work with...

id do the same with Hill and AJ Green.

fun facts: Carr is ranked just 1 spot ahead of flacco while dalton was ranked 1 spot behind him.

the difference is clearly the guys in the other spots lel.

[BmoreBird22]

13 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

who you consider to be the no1 receiver has nothing to do with this article and the discussion.

It does have to do with the discussion because SSS isn't likely to actually be the Ravens number one receiver and there appears to be a good chance that Forsett isn't even the starter.

He can pick whoever he wants, but if they aren't really the starter, then it's not a fair comparison. 

Also, define "respectable" numbers. If it's putting up receiving numbers similar to Tavon Austin, you likely won't have too much issue.

[Tiznut]

1 hour ago, The Raven said:

We're talking triplets here? Well, I'm taking Latavius Murray, Amari Cooper, and Derek Carr over our triplet every day of the week.

If Flacco had those two to work with...

Not sure why people struggle with this.  Flacco is a winner and we will win again but Carr started statistically accomplished in his second yr what Joe hasn't. A 30 passing td season 

[Tru11]

Just now, BmoreBird22 said:

It does have to do with the discussion because SSS isn't likely to actually be the Ravens number one receiver and there appears to be a good chance that Forsett isn't even the starter.

He can pick whoever he wants, but if they aren't really the starter, then it's not a fair comparison. 

Also, define "respectable" numbers. If it's putting up receiving numbers similar to Tavon Austin, you likely won't have too much issue.

Im not discussing who you picked.
Im discussing who Dameshek picked.

So whoever you picked has nothing to do with the discussion im having.

Dameshek did pick who he wanted and based on who he picked i can agree with his assessment and his ranking.

Also going by the numbers dameshek used when talking about austin its 907 yards and 9 TDs not counting return yards and return TD.
i can agree and say those are pretty respectable for a 37 year old receiver.

will be looking forward to your list.
 

[BmoreBird22]

30 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

Im not discussing who you picked.
Im discussing who Dameshek picked.

So whoever you picked has nothing to do with the discussion im having.

Dameshek did pick who he wanted and based on who he picked i can agree with his assessment and his ranking.

Also going by the numbers dameshek used when talking about austin its 907 yards and 9 TDs not counting return yards and return TD.
i can agree and say those are pretty respectable for a 37 year old receiver.

will be looking forward to your list.
 

Let's say Dameshek picked Breshad Perriman and Buck Allen. Still agree that's who it should be?

Based on who the author picked, I still don't think they should be that low, but who he picked is highly debatable.

Edited August 7, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Let's say Dameshek picked Breshad Perriman and Buck Allen. Still agree that's who it should be?

Based on who the author picked, I still don't think they should be that low, but who he picked is highly debatable.

you should read the beginning of the article.

even if he picked those guys the ravens would still be rated below the rams.

gurley by himself earned the rams 31 points, goff earned 3 points while austin earned 2 points giving the rams a total 36 points.
flacco alone earned the ravens 19,5 points based on his rank (19)
Allen and perriman would have to be ranked 24 to give the ravens the edge.

you are free to look at the list to see what players they would have to pass to get a higher rank.
allen could maybe get a few spots higher then forsett but i would love to know based on what.
for perriman who has yet to catch a pass in the NFL id say you need to drink a lot of kool aid to put him higher.
i mean has perriman even practiced yet?

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

you should read the beginning of the article.

even if he picked those guys the ravens would still be rated below the rams.

gurley by himself earned the rams 31 points, goff earned 3 points while austin earned 2 points giving the rams a total 36 points.
flacco alone earned the ravens 19,5 points based on his rank (19)
Allen and perriman would have to be ranked 24 to give the ravens the edge.

you are free to look at the list to see what players they would have to pass to get a higher rank.
allen could maybe get a few spots higher then forsett but i would love to know based on what.
for perriman who has yet to catch a pass in the NFL id say you need to drink a lot of kool aid to put him higher.
i mean has perriman even practiced yet?

I wasn't suggesting Perriman or Allen should be the starter. I was asking if you'd agree with his choice of the starters if that's who he picked.

[Tru11]

36 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wasn't suggesting Perriman or Allen should be the starter. I was asking if you'd agree with his choice of the starters if that's who he picked.

depends on his reasoning for making that choice.

[ravefan52]

I hate Dameshak, but his reasoning was actually pretty accurate this time. Though the Ravens trio should probably be around 21ish imo

[usmccharles]

I honestly don't see an issue with it....

[ravensdan]

I don't see how anyone could argue with the Ravens ranking here. unfortunately with Joe and Steve coming off bad injuries they don't have the firepower. The rankings you can argue with would be Bills at 5?  What. Saints way down at 15?  Anyway he's not a guy to take seriously. Just a comedian really. Why get worked up over it?

[usmccharles]

Just now, ravensdan said:

I don't see how anyone could argue with the Ravens ranking here. unfortunately with Joe and Steve coming off bad injuries they don't have the firepower. The rankings you can argue with would be Bills at 5?  What. Saints way down at 15?  Anyway he's not a guy to take seriously. Just a comedian really. Why get worked up over it?

Honestly the Bills were the only ones I was like....."Really?"

[trevorsteadman]

Though Dameshek is known to be a Steelers fan and has bashed the Ravens before, you cannot argue with this listing.

The Ravens don't have those superstars on offense other teams have, but have a lot of solid situational guys.

If this was based off of the entire offense next season I would highly disagree. I think the Ravens would be around the middle of the pack around 14-16 until proven otherwise. 

[CognitiveCorvus]

30 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Though Dameshek is known to be a Steelers fan and has bashed the Ravens before, you cannot argue with this listing.

The Ravens don't have those superstars on offense other teams have, but have a lot of solid situational guys.

If this was based off of the entire offense next season I would highly disagree. I think the Ravens would be around the middle of the pack around 14-16 until proven otherwise. 

Based on the triplets I can't understand how people would argue that Amari Cooper & Latavius are a worse duo then our two is insane. Same with AJ Green and Jeremy Hill. I'm a bit surprised the Eagles are ranked so lowly, again sort of understand why, injuries and all that and still the Niners are far too high, if anything i'd have been happier with those two switched and us be above the Niners.

[trevorsteadman]

24 minutes ago, CognitiveCorvus said:

Based on the triplets I can't understand how people would argue that Amari Cooper & Latavius are a worse duo then our two is insane. Same with AJ Green and Jeremy Hill. I'm a bit surprised the Eagles are ranked so lowly, again sort of understand why, injuries and all that and still the Niners are far too high, if anything i'd have been happier with those two switched and us be above the Niners.

There is a few I would switch around but I agree we are near the bottom of the league. I would vote Forsett and Steve Smith Sr. above Cooper and Murray just because of the experience and production. Jeremy Hill has struggled and Green can't be the only one carrying that Bengals team. 

A lot of these teams can get switched around based off of what you argue. Steve Smith was on track for 1500 yards and the only receivers keeping up with him at the time last season before his injury was Antonio Brown and Keenan Allen. That was with a missed game, as well as a couple others playing through broken ribs.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I honestly dont think we should be ranked very high... in terms of "triplets" we're not all that great, especially in terms of what he really means with his rankings which is production.

But, no one ever won a football game with just 3 players. The Steelers have among the top "triplets" in the league but Big Ben cant stay healthy for an entire season which usually costs them a couple games and ultimately home field advantage, or a playoff spot altogether and Leveon cant stay clean and will probably miss most of the season anyways.

 

What we have is a very capable quarterback, with several running backs capable of carrying the load so we can ride the hot hand, and a diverse set a receivers (both at WR and TE) with a wealth of experience, talents, youth, and athleticism.

We've got depth and guys who get it done. And, this year we will get it done and be right there.