Dameshek lists Ravens triplets 29th of 32 on NFL.com, Seriously?

[ravenwildman]

Dave Dameshek of the NFL Network (and NFL.com) listed Flacco, Forsett, SSS combo 29th out of all teams. He even listed untried rookie QBs ahead of the Ravens. Now I know he is from Pitts and a Raven hater, but come on man! I can see because of injuries middle of the pack listing but putting untried rookie combo's ahead of them is just a poorly veiled insult. I am so turned off by the negativity towards the Ravens on the NFL site and network this year. GO RAVENS! 

[Guest]

Dameshek is a transparent Steeler fan and his articles are empty cans. Do yourself a favor and when you see his byline pass on by.

[K-Dog]

Reason 2,976,531 I pay little to no attention to outside media when it comes to the RAVENS. 

[Tru11]

He is bias but he does have a point.

SSS is 37 years old coming off an achilles injury.
has he even practiced with the 1st team yet?
pre season is like a week away.

Forsett will be 31 also coming off a season ender as well and well he had only 1 year of production in kubiak system 2 years ago.
no clue on how he will preform this season at his age.
his numbers where down last season.

Flacco is also coming off a terrible season ending injury and although 31 aint that old for a QB he never has been a light out QB in the regular season.
he takes his game to another level in the play offs.
it will also be interesting to see how he will play once the season starts and players are actually coming for him.
how he will handle hits and deal with pressure is what im curios about the most.
if he is worried about getting injured again he could make bad decisions when he senses pressure that might not even be there.

Ravens have the oldest starting triplet with all 3 coming off season ending injuries........
 

[JacktheRaven]

Dameshek is a Steeler fan first, and a "journalist" a distant second. Everything he writes promotes his favorite team and looks down on the Ravens. 

[ravenwildman]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

He is bias but he does have a point.

SSS is 37 years old coming off an achilles injury.
has he even practiced with the 1st team yet?
pre season is like a week away.

Forsett will be 31 also coming off a season ender as well and well he had only 1 year of production in kubiak system 2 years ago.
no clue on how he will preform this season at his age.
his numbers where down last season.

Flacco is also coming off a terrible season ending injury and although 31 aint that old for a QB he never has been a light out QB in the regular season.
he takes his game to another level in the play offs.
it will also be interesting to see how he will play once the season starts and players are actually coming for him.
how he will handle hits and deal with pressure is what im curios about the most.
if he is worried about getting injured again he could make bad decisions when he senses pressure that might not even be there.

Ravens have the oldest starting triplet with all 3 coming off season ending injuries........
 

I would still grade a  Superbowl MVP QB, Pro bowl RB, and FHOF WR higher than unproven rookies. Not saying they should be in the top ten, but 29th is ridiculous. 

[Tiznut]

Meh.  All members of our triplets are coming back from IR

[redrum52]

Can anyone, 100% sure, name our starters on opening day?

[ellicottraven]

We'll find out in about 20 weeks won't we? Talk and speculation is easy and cheap. I don't blame him because he is jaundiced in his opinion of the Ravens particularly because we scare him and the entire Steelers team and fan base.

[cobrajet]

I used to get upset also, but I figured in the grand scheme of things - who cares what Dameshek thinks, we Ravens fans know what he is all about. Haters are going to hate. Remember, we spanked the Steelers with all backups in December when they were fighting for a wild card spot, so we have their number and he knows it.

Edited August 6, 2016 by cobrajet

[hawkprey]

Doesn't matter how good they are, we beat the Steelers without all 3.

[Tank 92]

haha....dameshi*

How about Flacco, Wallace and Dixon?

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, ravenwildman said:

I would still grade a  Superbowl MVP QB, Pro bowl RB, and FHOF WR higher than unproven rookies. Not saying they should be in the top ten, but 29th is ridiculous. 

how exactly are those past accomplishments going to make up for the fact that all 3 are past the age of 30 and coming off season ending injury?

 

[ravenwildman]

19 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

how exactly are those past accomplishments going to make up for the fact that all 3 are past the age of 30 and coming off season ending injury?

 

I have faith in Steve B, Ozzie, Eric and John Harbaugh that if they were "under par" that things would be done to replace them. Simple as that. I seriously doubt that if the are as bad as Dameshek paints them to be, the Ravens would commit to them. Too much at stake. After the 2012 Superbowl year where a sweeping change was made against popular fan opinion, does anyone doubt that Ozzie WILL pull the trigger if necessary? No, they are as advertised, and this year is going to be awesome! GO RAVENS! 25

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, ravenwildman said:

I have faith in Steve B, Ozzie, Eric and John Harbaugh that if they were "under par" that things would be done to replace them. Simple as that. I seriously doubt that if the are as bad as Dameshek paints them to be, the Ravens would commit to them. Too much at stake. After the 2012 Superbowl year where a sweeping change was made against popular fan opinion, does anyone doubt that Ozzie WILL pull the trigger if necessary? No, they are as advertised, and this year is going to be awesome! GO RAVENS! 25

most of us here have faith in ozzie and such.

still does not answer how past accomplishments are supposed to make up for the fact that all 3 players are past the age of 30 coming of a season ender...

love the homerism at all but flacco is not good enough by himself to warrant this triplet to be in the top 20 orso.

im quite curious which triplets you think that deserve to be lower then the ravens and im quite intrested in your reasoning behind.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

most of us here have faith in ozzie and such.

still does not answer how past accomplishments are supposed to make up for the fact that all 3 players are past the age of 30 coming of a season ender...

love the homerism at all but flacco is not good enough by himself to warrant this triplet to be in the top 20 orso.

im quite curious which triplets you think that deserve to be lower then the ravens and im quite intrested in your reasoning behind.

We're at best 3rd on our own division and if I think about it, probably 3rd in most divisions in the lg.  AFC W, S and E I'd give them at least 2 out of 3 better than ours.  Same for NFC W and E.  I guess South and North could be debatable for where we'd land.

Edited August 6, 2016 by redrum52

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

most of us here have faith in ozzie and such.

still does not answer how past accomplishments are supposed to make up for the fact that all 3 players are past the age of 30 coming of a season ender...

love the homerism at all but flacco is not good enough by himself to warrant this triplet to be in the top 20 orso.

im quite curious which triplets you think that deserve to be lower then the ravens and im quite intrested in your reasoning behind.

Did you see the list? I just actually looked and it was quite abysmal for most rankings.

[CognitiveCorvus]

6 hours ago, ravenwildman said:

I would still grade a  Superbowl MVP QB, Pro bowl RB, and FHOF WR higher than unproven rookies. Not saying they should be in the top ten, but 29th is ridiculous. 

 Not meaning to play Devils advocate. But he was a Super Bowl MVP. SSs was a HoFamer, his production along with his age is slipping  same with Forsett, he was a pro bowler... Not anymore.

Sure if this was 3-4 years ago it'd be unjustified, but truthfully can you not see why the triplets are so poorly ranked?

[BmoreBird22]

54 minutes ago, CognitiveCorvus said:

 Not meaning to play Devils advocate. But he was a Super Bowl MVP. SSs was a HoFamer, his production along with his age is slipping  same with Forsett, he was a pro bowler... Not anymore.

Sure if this was 3-4 years ago it'd be unjustified, but truthfully can you not see why the triplets are so poorly ranked?

I don't expect them to be highly ranked until they get back on the field, but some of those rankings were deplorable

[CognitiveCorvus]

17 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I don't expect them to be highly ranked until they get back on the field, but some of those rankings were deplorable

 Agreed, the whole article was a sham, just wasn't sure if people were expecting our trio to be top 10 when in reality they are in quite the opposite end of the list...

[BmoreBird22]

17 minutes ago, CognitiveCorvus said:

 Agreed, the whole article was a sham, just wasn't sure if people were expecting our trio to be top 10 when in reality they are in quite the opposite end of the list...

I mean, I don't think SSS is the starting wide receiver (and one could make an argument for Pitta being in that role instead) and I'd be surprised if Forsett stayed the starter, but hey, the article is what it is.

[JoeyFlex5]

A. Dameshek 

B. He's not necessarily wrong

Come week 1, we may not have the WR of the triplet group, the rb is a career journeyman and we still don't know if he's for real or just a scheme product(we'll find out this year with cut blocks being made illegal), and flacco is a great qb for his own reasons, but if we're talking about ranking the 3 flashiest offensive positions, I understand why were low.

[CognitiveCorvus]

8 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I mean, I don't think SSS is the starting wide receiver (and one could make an argument for Pitta being in that role instead) and I'd be surprised if Forsett stayed the starter, but hey, the article is what it is.

Yup the triplet won't be that on opening day, even so whichever trio does start I still think will come out pretty weak. Here's to hoping Joe has a career year.

[BmoreBird22]

16 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

A. Dameshek 

B. He's not necessarily wrong

Come week 1, we may not have the WR of the triplet group, the rb is a career journeyman and we still don't know if he's for real or just a scheme product(we'll find out this year with cut blocks being made illegal), and flacco is a great qb for his own reasons, but if we're talking about ranking the 3 flashiest offensive positions, I understand why were low.

I don't understand why they're lower than several of the groups in front of them (seriously, how do Goff, Gurley, and Tavon Austin rank ahead?), but I wouldn't have been upset if they were middle of the pack.

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, CognitiveCorvus said:

Yup the triplet won't be that on opening day, even so whichever trio does start I still think will come out pretty weak. Here's to hoping Joe has a career year.

I think they're middle of the pack. Honestly, I'm thinking Joe will be a lot better this year coming off that injury. Having to relearn all those mechanics is going to be a huge boost for him.

[OUravensfan]

We're really feeling the drastic effects of recency bias. People are putting Dalton and Carr over Flacco which is a complete joke 

Edited August 6, 2016 by OUravensfan

[JoeyFlex5]

7 hours ago, hawkprey said:

Doesn't matter how good they are, we beat the Steelers without all 3.

rip dave

[Deflated Football]

Well with the way camp is going, our triplets might change to Flacco, Wallace and West. 

[CognitiveCorvus]

7 hours ago, OUravensfan said:

We're really feeling the drastic effects of recency bias. People are putting Dalton and Carr over Flacco which is a complete joke 

 

In fairness he's not putting Carr over Flacco, he's putting Murray, Carr and Cooper over Flacco, SSs & Forsett. To be frank SSs and Forsett against Latavius and Amari, I'd take Oakland!?

The list is a mess mind so it's like we are arguing over who should be standing closest to the helm of the Titanic. The Niners are a massive red light and despite my misgivings anyone can see the Ravens have a much better set than San Fransisco...

[Tru11]

11 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Did you see the list? I just actually looked and it was quite abysmal for most rankings.

im pretty sure i have not been debating other rankings but only the ravens ranking.

also i had read the list before this thread was even created.

not to mention i have not once said it was perfect list.

im merely debating that if you put the homerism aside its really not that unreasonable for the ravens to be low based on the players the author picked.

3 guys older then 30 coming off season enders wont have you ranked high going into the season.

just look at the rams since you mentioned them.

flacco> goff even though flacco is coming of a injury he should have the edge of a rookie. still flacco is also a question mark since nobody knows how he will be when the games will start to count and he will be taking hits and such.

gurley>>>>>forsett not even worth a debate. gurley has the potential to be the best RB in the league.

austin>SSS  SSS is 37 coming off an achilles injury and i cant find anywhere that he has been taking snaps with the first team and pre season starts coming thursday.
Austin however is 1 of the top PR and had 400+ rushing and receiving yards last season.
Had SSS been practicing showing no signs of slowing down then he would have been given the edge but since he might not even be ready for week 1 , i see no issue giving it to austin.

Quite frankly the ravens strength at the RB and WR positions lies with our depth there rather then us having 1 stud and a bunch of scrubs.