Ryan Mallet's struggles during TC

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Brees has always been a guy who makes questionable decisions. He's just been blessed that Payton has an offense that masks a lot of his limitations. With that said the Ravens shouldn't get rid of Mallett unless they have a better option, they just have to know what to expect from him. 

Right, you can't replace Mallett unless you have a hammer. Mallett could probably start for a few teams in the NFL if he could keep his emotions in check. To quote Madden, "He's got a little Brett Favre in him." Gunslinger. Trusts his arm more than his head. He'll throw a lot of TD's and a lot of INT's. If he wins, not much of an issue.

[Ravensfan23]

On 8/5/2016 at 5:21 PM, rmw10 said:

It's definitely concerning right now, but I'm curious to see how he does in preseason first before I "panic." He's always been a guy with high highs and low lows.

So after game 1, what are your thoughts? I thought he played as well as you'd expect a backup to play without any of the starting weapons to throw to. He missed two throws in the redzone which you can't do because it takes points off the board. I also thought he panicked on the bad snap by Zuttah. The protection was still there and I would have liked to see him stand tall in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass on 3rd down. 

[rmw10]

7 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

So after game 1, what are your thoughts? I thought he played as well as you'd expect a backup to play without any of the starting weapons to throw to. He missed two throws in the redzone which you can't do because it takes points off the board. I also thought he panicked on the bad snap by Zuttah. The protection was still there and I would have liked to see him stand tall in the pocket and deliver an accurate pass on 3rd down. 

Not great but not bad.  As you said, about what you'd expect.  There were some good things and some bad things and that's how Mallett has always been.  I was actually pleasantly surprised with the overall accuracy on the shorter throws.  Usually that's an area where he struggles but he handled those reasonably well last night.

[Ravensfan23]

16 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Not great but not bad.  As you said, about what you'd expect.  There were some good things and some bad things and that's how Mallett has always been.  I was actually pleasantly surprised with the overall accuracy on the shorter throws.  Usually that's an area where he struggles but he handled those reasonably well last night.

Yea, like i said before I think the Ravens are comfortable enough with him to know that at the very less that can game plan his success. Lots of play action and a few deep shots per game. 

[rmw10]

5 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Yea, like i said before I think the Ravens are comfortable enough with him to know that at the very less that can game plan his success. Lots of play action and a few deep shots per game. 

I think they really like the idea of having a similar QB to Flacco as the backup going forward.  While they obviously appreciated Tyrod, I think they got to the point where they realized they might have better success by keeping a similar offense. 

[K-Dog]

He played like a back up not a starter. 

At least not a starter on this team.

[jazz1988]

 I thought Mallet played well on Thursday night but his throws at times look weak for a guy that  suppose to have a strong arm .

[JoeyFlex5]

something everyone should remember about TC is that players are more rusty than ever, not only that, but all that matters in TC are the reps, production and wins and losses dont even exist in TC, you use those reps wisely, dont waste all your reps making safe decisions, you need to make one risky move after another, until you find out what is doable and what isnt, they have enough reps in TC to be able to do this. 

if mallett went out there and only did dumpoffs and quick slants and 8 yard hook routes, he would have no idea what to do in a game, if he is in TC and he is slinging the rock all over the field and trying to squeeze into tight windows and throw into man coverage etc, he is learning what him and his targets are capable of doing well. if he throws a pick on a deep crossing pattern for instance, no big deal, its practice, go back and try it again, another pick? who cares, get that timing down, find out the ideal release and velocity and touch, and if you absolutely bomb that throw every single time over and over, say "maybe we shouldnt try that in a game", but if you never tried it and failed repeatedly, you would never know that its a play you struggle to execute. 

 

this is almost the entire point of training camp, aside from conditioning. reps = learning and chemistry, cant learn from your reps if youre doing the same thing over and over. preseason is a dress rehearsal for guys like mallett, a chance to show they know what to do in a game situation, and he did alright, just as i expected he would. you cant take a QB throwing picks in camp as a sign of doom and gloom, its literally just reps to work out the kinks and find out what we do best. in a game when the playbook is more tailored to his strengths for the sake of getting a win, he should look totally different.

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I think they really like the idea of having a similar QB to Flacco as the backup going forward.  While they obviously appreciated Tyrod, I think they got to the point where they realized they might have better success by keeping a similar offense. 

when you have a pocket passer with an electrifying running qb as the backup, it can be exciting and take teams by surprise if the backup has to come in for any reason, they gameplanned for flaccos deep ball and now suddenly they need to maintain gap discipline in the pass rush and leave a spy. but in the end, thats just assuming that your opponent is going to actually struggle to adjust, which isnt always the case in the nfl, youre almost always  better off playing to your strengths

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

when you have a pocket passer with an electrifying running qb as the backup, it can be exciting and take teams by surprise if the backup has to come in for any reason, they gameplanned for flaccos deep ball and now suddenly they need to maintain gap discipline in the pass rush and leave a spy. but in the end, thats just assuming that your opponent is going to actually struggle to adjust, which isnt always the case in the nfl, youre almost always  better off playing to your strengths

On the same token, the Ravens would also have to adjust in that scenario. You aren't doing the same things with a strong armed QB and a mobile QB. That had been a major point a lot of guys made in camp when Tyrod was here - that the offensive style had to be adjusted if he ever had to play considerable snaps. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

On the same token, the Ravens would also have to adjust in that scenario. You aren't doing the same things with a strong armed QB and a mobile QB. That had been a major point a lot of guys made in camp when Tyrod was here - that the offensive style had to be adjusted if he ever had to play considerable snaps. 

exactly why its better to have a pocket passer. having such a radically different backup qb is a wing and a prayer, hoping he can come in and shake it up rather than sticking to the plan, sure he could bust out a few nice runs for key first downs and what not, but hoping for that to work can turn ugly real quick. ill never forget when he came in 2013 vs the patriots, my god he single handedly gave them 2 touchdowns in as many snaps, thats what happens when the gameplan takes a 180 degree turn.

[757RavensFan]

At one point I think he completed 8 straight passes in a row.  I know this isnt Mallet's fault but there wasnt a single receiver playing that could take the top of the defense Thurs night. Not one single deep ball attempt. 

[rmw10]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

when you have a pocket passer with an electrifying running qb as the backup, it can be exciting and take teams by surprise if the backup has to come in for any reason, they gameplanned for flaccos deep ball and now suddenly they need to maintain gap discipline in the pass rush and leave a spy. but in the end, thats just assuming that your opponent is going to actually struggle to adjust, which isnt always the case in the nfl, youre almost always  better off playing to your strengths

Plus, I'm sure they wanted a guy that could simulate what type of offense we run while Flacco was on the mend. Although Mallett clearly isn't as good as Flacco, it's good to have a similar QB out there taking these reps in preseason so that when Flacco does officially enter a game, there's less of a transition. 

[Guest]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Plus, I'm sure they wanted a guy that could simulate what type of offense we run while Flacco was on the mend. Although Mallett clearly isn't as good as Flacco, it's good to have a similar QB out there taking these reps in preseason so that when Flacco does officially enter a game, there's less of a transition. 

Flacco had his best completion percentage year last before going out on injury and we were what 3-8?

Heres the thing........Trestmans package is about quick reads......quick passes.  I'm not altogether certain that Flacco is ideally suited to that system.  It may be that ultimately Mallet could process that information more efficiently.

[rmw10]

55 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Flacco had his best completion percentage year last before going out on injury and we were what 3-8?

Heres the thing........Trestmans package is about quick reads......quick passes.  I'm not altogether certain that Flacco is ideally suited to that system.  It may be that ultimately Mallet could process that information more efficiently.

Lol.... no....

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Danny D said:

Flacco had his best completion percentage year last before going out on injury and we were what 3-8?

Heres the thing........Trestmans package is about quick reads......quick passes.  I'm not altogether certain that Flacco is ideally suited to that system.  It may be that ultimately Mallet could process that information more efficiently.

Flacco and Mallet are basically built the exact same, even with Joe's odd decision making, there's a reason why Mallet cant win a starting job.  Also, I don't get all these people saying Mallet play an amazing game against the Steelers last year, 275 with a TD and no INT is good...but not great. 

[K-Dog]

1 hour ago, usmccharles said:

Flacco and Mallet are basically built the exact same, even with Joe's odd decision making, there's a reason why Mallet cant win a starting job.  Also, I don't get all these people saying Mallet play an amazing game against the Steelers last year, 275 with a TD and no INT is good...but not great. 

Considering how new he was with the team,  how long it had been since he had played a game of any significance,  he was a back-up, and it was against the Steelers I think we have every reason to think he did a fantastic job. 

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

Considering how new he was with the team,  how long it had been since he had played a game of any significance,  he was a back-up, and it was against the Steelers I think we have every reason to think he did a fantastic job. 

Ok, as a back I guess you can say he did a fantastic job.  But enough to where people wanting him to start over Joe, no.  I just personally haven't seen anything from him that I could say he's great.  Maybe I will just always have a personal beef with him. 

[K-Dog]

24 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Ok, as a back I guess you can say he did a fantastic job.  But enough to where people wanting him to start over Joe, no.  I just personally haven't seen anything from him that I could say he's great.  Maybe I will just always have a personal beef with him. 

No. That is just silly.

[Guest]

53 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

No. That is just silly.

He did a good job in both the Steelers game and his stint vs the Panthers was very good.  He was making quick reads and firing, granted against seconds.

Flacco was not good long last year. Part of that is the  Trestman system, which focuses on possession.  However, Flacco wasn't particularly good at possession in 2015 either despite a ton of little passes.   Flacco has played his best when the running game purrs and he can lauch downfield. Once again, can't be certain that Mallet isn't better suited to the Trestman offense, if that's the way the F.O. wants to go. 

Part of the evidence is that despite all the late season injuries, Mallet had a 1-1 record, which was substantially better in percentage than Flacco.

 

Edited August 13, 2016 by Danny D

[ravensdan]

He's definitely a fisherman...not sure why so many take the bait. 

[K-Dog]

My point was just reinforced. 

[usmccharles]

40 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Part of the evidence is that despite all the late season injuries, Mallet had a 1-1 record, which was substantially better in percentage than Flacco. His completion percentage was marginally better as well.

in 2011, Ray Rice had a better completion percentage than Joe, clearly he should of been our QB.  I bet you were a Matt Flynn supporter as well.

 

36 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

He's definitely a fisherman...not sure why so many take the bait. 

Im bored at work man...there isn't too many interesting threads at the moment

Edited August 13, 2016 by usmccharles