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[Moderator 3]

This is a NO SMACK forum. Those rules apply to fans of all teams, including our own.

This is also a no obscenity forum and a forum where civility is required. We also frown on posts in real poor taste.

If your post or thread disappeared, there's a good chance you broke one of our rules. You can find the rules here in our [url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/index.php?act=Reg&coppa_pass=1"]Code of Conduct[/url].

[ravens27]

That was your 777 post, now you will have good luck.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Moderator 3' post='129676' date='Jan 14 2009, 07:53 PM']This is also a no obscenity forum and [b]a forum where civility is required. We also frown on posts in real poor taste.[/b][/quote]
I think that last part bears repeating.

The key that opposing teams' fans seem to forget is, they are essentially guests; and just like guests in someone else's home, you abide by [i]the host's[/i] rules and act respectful, or leave.

An opposing team's fan on a [i]Ravens[/i] message board (the official team message board, no less) shouldn't expect a statement like, "The Ravens are not a very good team because..." to stand without: A) being flamed and inundated with hateful responses; being subjected to ridicule, just or not; and C) eventually being silenced.

Censorship or not, there are standards here. And I hopefully speak for the regulars here when I say that we appreciate civil, respectful banter with opposing teams' fans. But on that same token, a debate is not an invitation to personally attack one another. And more importantly, if you strongly disagree with something that is said but cannot defend your stance [i]without[/i] being confrontational, then it'd do well to simply leave well enough alone.

As most parents (hopefully) would teach, "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all."

[jfc13]

Glad you're cracking down. This hasn't been a fun forum to visit this week.
Too many new posters just making comments to start a fight.

[raylewismvp]

hey mod 3 are you there

[Moderator 3]

[quote]Too many new posters just making comments to start a fight.[/quote]

When you see comments like that, use the "Report" button in the lower left hand corner of the post.

[raylewismvp]

okay thank you!!!

[Moderator 2]

We are doing our best guys. If you report the posts we get an e-mail makes it easier for us to track down and get rid of them. Believe it or not this is a Ravens fan forum, not insult fans of the Ravens forum.

[STL Raven]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='135361' date='Jan 17 2009, 03:56 PM']We are doing our best guys. If you report the posts we get an e-mail makes it easier for us to track down and get rid of them. Believe it or not this is a Ravens fan forum, not insult fans of the Ravens forum.[/quote]
Yeah, you can find those forums on ESPN.com, FoxSports and CBS Sportsline.

AKA, Steeler central.

[Guest RBates]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is how you rate what is abusive. To me if you do not curse and/or make racial slurs the comment is then considered forum material opinions are welcome here right? Or what is the use of having a forum. My cousin happens to play for the Ravens. I wont mention his name because hes still trying to make the 53 man roster. and if i as a fan cant say Mike Duffy needs a haircut and wardrobe change then i wouldn't be doing my job as a fan(anything to make our team better). I just thought it was a little over the top to warn someone on something so petty. His image is boring but his reporting is crisp hows that.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='RBates' date='20 August 2009 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1250793043' post='221618']
What I'm having a hard time understanding is how you rate what is abusive. To me if you do not curse and/or make racial slurs the comment is then considered forum material opinions are welcome here right? Or what is the use of having a forum. My cousin happens to play for the Ravens. I wont mention his name because hes still trying to make the 53 man roster. and if i as a fan cant say Mike Duffy needs a haircut and wardrobe change then i wouldn't be doing my job as a fan(anything to make our team better). I just thought it was a little over the top to warn someone on something so petty. His image is boring but his reporting is crisp hows that.
[/quote]
Refer to the Code of Conduct.

Basically, anything that is not forum material is anything of a political/moral or incendiary nature. "Incendiary" also includes anything that would cause people to react irrationally or emotionally (i.e. saying "Ravens suck" or "i[i]nsert-player-here[/i] is a bum") [i]without[/i] [u]constructive[/u] thought for the purpose of further debate or intelligent conversation. Although appropriateness is subjective, the easiest way to think about it is whether it's something that you think the NFL would approve of, as the Code of Conduct was determined by moderators and the Baltimore Ravens' New Media Team per NFL guidelines.

Please keep in mind that the Baltimore Ravens organization and the NFL have an image to uphold and conduct it wishes to promote. It's one thing to criticize a player or a team, but it's another thing to do it in a manner that does nothing to provoke healthy, civil conversation or provide insight.

[lowrider]

Sometimes I don't understand why some posts or threads are canceled. But the majority of the time it's for good reason because when insults are thrown it's most of the time off topic, so it makes sense why there are rules put in place. If people just want to insult one another they can do that somewhere else.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='RBates' date='20 August 2009 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1250793043' post='221618']
What I'm having a hard time understanding is how you rate what is abusive. To me if you do not curse and/or make racial slurs the comment is then considered forum material opinions are welcome here right? Or what is the use of having a forum. My cousin happens to play for the Ravens. I wont mention his name because hes still trying to make the 53 man roster. and if i as a fan cant say Mike Duffy needs a haircut and wardrobe change then i wouldn't be doing my job as a fan(anything to make our team better). I just thought it was a little over the top to warn someone on something so petty. His image is boring but his reporting is crisp hows that.
[/quote]

How would you like if someone called your cousin a nerd, doofus or dork? that is why this provision of the Code of Conduct is in place:

[quote]Criticism of the Ravens is allowed; [b]personal attacks are not[/b]. While we expect some members may post criticism of the Baltimore Ravens, we will not tolerate personal attacks towards these individuals. While you may attack the football-related actions or decisions of an individual, you may not attack the individual themselves. The Ownership, Coaching, Player and [b]Staff[/b] should be accorded the same respect that the members are accorde[/quote]d.

If you have issue with something written its one thing but appearance is something totally different, some people are really sensitive about that. How do you know a person wears their hair a certain way to cover a scar? The same courtesy on these board would be afforded if your cousin cost the team a game.

Think of abusive as something a normally sane, not a smart aleck, would say to someones face. I would not go up to a random person I do not personally know and tell them to get a haircut or argyle is no longer in style. Life is not a TV show.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RBates' date='20 August 2009 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1250793043' post='221618']
What I'm having a hard time understanding is how you rate what is abusive. To me if you do not curse and/or make racial slurs the comment is then considered forum material opinions are welcome here right? Or what is the use of having a forum. My cousin happens to play for the Ravens. I wont mention his name because hes still trying to make the 53 man roster. and if i as a fan cant say Mike Duffy needs a haircut and wardrobe change then i wouldn't be doing my job as a fan(anything to make our team better). I just thought it was a little over the top to warn someone on something so petty. His image is boring but his reporting is crisp hows that.
[/quote]

First of all, I had no idea we were getting paid, i.e., we had a job, so I'm pretty sure I am owed some back pay. Please inform the powers that be at the Castle that I'll happily take my pay in 'nachos and cheese', with an emphasis on the cheese.

I believe there is some confusion here as to the fan's job description, seeing as how we now have jobs. We're really not here to take hold of a real or imagined duty to point out how players, coaches or other Ravens personnel do not achieve specific standards based on our personal criteria. I imagine this has at least a little to do with the 'Judge Judy Generation', wherein we, as a culture, somehow overvalue our individual or collective opinion and believe we're in a position of moral authority or we're the 'Simon Cowell of the moment'. This simply is not the case in reality and is something that is regulated in this environment. Without question I struggle with this, and I'm sure at some point, somewhere, a post of mine has gone the way of the Dodo.

Consider the moderators your highway rumble strip. When you're about the sleepily run off the road into the ditch of forum doom, they steer you back to the safety of the paved road. Sometimes, even with road signs, painted lines and other people honking, certain folks still head for the accidental off-road experience.

Oh, and by the way, knowing a member of the organization justifies nothing, and hiding behind the idea of 'anything for the organization' is a little weak. I could be the very incarnation of Ray Lewis' passion, and it wouldn't make it acceptable for me to say a Raven sucks. Like someone said, that's for ESPN general forums.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='RBates' date='20 August 2009 - 02:30 PM' timestamp='1250793043' post='221618']
What I'm having a hard time understanding is how you rate what is abusive. To me if you do not curse and/or make racial slurs the comment is then considered forum material opinions are welcome here right? Or what is the use of having a forum. My cousin happens to play for the Ravens. I wont mention his name because hes still trying to make the 53 man roster. and if i as a fan cant say Mike Duffy needs a haircut and wardrobe change then i wouldn't be doing my job as a fan(anything to make our team better). I just thought it was a little over the top to warn someone on something so petty. His image is boring but his reporting is crisp hows that.
[/quote]

The moderators on this forum are great in that they handle business discretely and don't make a big deal, but I will agree in that they're often a bit stingy.

I realize that they're just trying to enforce the Code of Conduct, but quite a few fun/interesting threads have been shut down because things have veered slightly off course, and fans from opposing teams are essentially shunned away as any conversation between followers of opposing teams will inevitably lead to a bit of jawing, and the mods quickly shut down any "smack talk."

That being said, this is a strict forum, which is pretty much fine with most people, so if you want to post here, then you'll have to deal with it.

[wolfzie06]

I just hope we don't have a repeat of the Steelers fans coming on here in droves and all the arguments we had from last year.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='wolfzie06' date='20 August 2009 - 05:33 PM' timestamp='1250804028' post='221697']
I just hope we don't have a repeat of the Steelers fans coming on here in droves and all the arguments we had from last year.
[/quote]

Are you trying to give me nightmares?????


Most official team sites are run tight or they get shut down because of the NFL brand. Bucs and Rams are the ones that come to mind since these forums have opened.

[bce086]

How about these absurd posts from new users, knocking the Ravens. This is a huge pet peeve of mine, especially when they come on here writing some hoopla about something impractical. It's these posts where you see people "attacking" or offending people often times.

[wolfzie06]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='20 August 2009 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1250807219' post='221738']
Are you trying to give me nightmares?????


Most official team sites are run tight or they get shut down because of the NFL brand. Bucs and Rams are the ones that come to mind since these forums have opened.
[/quote]

Lol it was tough bringing them up, but I had to do it. I know I probably spouted off a couple of times when I shouldn't after I was incensed by some Steeler fans. I think we all need to have a reminder pop up when we get on this board- Don't Feed The Trolls!

[wolfzie06]

@Mod2: BTW, what happened with the Bucs and Rams boards?

[Moderator 2]

The Rams was a huge soap opera with a lot of drama, non football talk and rival fans being obnoxious and the mods were never on. They "suspended" the board and it never came back. Bucs had trouble with people ghosting as mods and giving out personal information and spammers. I know people that were mods on both boards from a now defunct board that had fans from all 32 teams. It was a mess. I also think there was a thread here about the Bengals official site being down, too.
We don't want that happening here, thats why we are pains in the butt with the rules. Most of the Code of Conduct was done by the Ravens Media Team, with some input from the mods and feedback from posters.
This has grown into a pretty nice community and its because the posters are willing to follow the rules and point out infractions to the new posters and report the repeat offenders and spammers.

[J-man]

[quote name='wolfzie06' date='20 August 2009 - 05:33 PM' timestamp='1250804028' post='221697']
I just hope we don't have a repeat of the Steelers fans coming on here in droves and all the arguments we had from last year.
[/quote]
They do that because:
1. All the major websites are already filled with Steeler fans, i.e. ESPN, Fox Sports, so they think its right to go on other bash all the other fans
2. They think they can win every argument with "We won 6 Superbowls"
3. They dont have their own message board on their website

[PuRock]

[quote name='J-man' date='21 August 2009 - 09:48 AM' timestamp='1250862481' post='221955']
They do that because:
1. All the major websites are already filled with Steeler fans, i.e. ESPN, Fox Sports, so they think its right to go on other bash all the other fans
2. They think they can win every argument with "We won 6 Superbowls"
3. They dont have their own message board on their website
[/quote]

They will, and our fans, like usually, will encourage them and guarantee wins. Making it that much worse.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Zhamtao' date='20 August 2009 - 03:27 PM' timestamp='1250796465' post='221636']
First of all, I had no idea we were getting paid, i.e., we had a job, so I'm pretty sure I am owed some back pay. Please inform the powers that be at the Castle that I'll happily take my pay in 'nachos and cheese', with an emphasis on the cheese.

I believe there is some confusion here as to the fan's job description, seeing as how we now have jobs. We're really not here to take hold of a real or imagined duty to point out how players, coaches or other Ravens personnel do not achieve specific standards based on our personal criteria. I imagine this has at least a little to do with the 'Judge Judy Generation', wherein we, as a culture, somehow overvalue our individual or collective opinion and believe we're in a position of moral authority or we're the 'Simon Cowell of the moment'. This simply is not the case in reality and is something that is regulated in this environment. Without question I struggle with this, and I'm sure at some point, somewhere, a post of mine has gone the way of the Dodo.

Consider the moderators your highway rumble strip. When you're about the sleepily run off the road into the ditch of forum doom, they steer you back to the safety of the paved road. Sometimes, even with road signs, painted lines and other people honking, certain folks still head for the accidental off-road experience.

Oh, and by the way, knowing a member of the organization justifies nothing, and hiding behind the idea of 'anything for the organization' is a little weak. I could be the very incarnation of Ray Lewis' passion, and it wouldn't make it acceptable for me to say a Raven sucks. Like someone said, that's for ESPN general forums.
[/quote]
No we are not employed by the ravens. But they would be hard pressed to know that as fans we cant have opinions about our staff or there image i mean really. To me a personal attack would be one of a little more serious nature then talking about a haircut or articles of clothing. We have some of the best apparel in the league to chose from, and for you people who don't think image is important go to work with holes in your jeans on casual Friday. That's all i said the man needs a stylist to give him a camera edge. A better image gives you an unexplainable advantage to viewers. People tend to think you are more qualified when you are dressed better. Fans do however make all of this possible i mean think about it without us there is no team. Ill bet you spend numerous hours talking about that same team that doesn't pay you one dollar, and you probably argue about that same team to strangers like me everyday. So don't act like there isn't something to be gained from wanting your team to do better in every possible aspect of the game including how they report the news.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

[quote name='Moderator 2' date='17 January 2009 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1232229402' post='135361']
We are doing our best guys. If you report the posts we get an e-mail makes it easier for us to track down and get rid of them. Believe it or not this is a Ravens fan forum, not insult fans of the Ravens forum.
[/quote]

honestly I need to use my comcast web space to do something making a false forum called instult the ravens forum but it being a picture of that shirt suggs wore to camp then we could direct people who insult us there too j/k

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RBates' date='21 August 2009 - 12:37 PM' timestamp='1250872636' post='222019']
No we are not employed by the ravens. But they would be hard pressed to know that as fans we cant have opinions about our staff or there image i mean really. To me a personal attack would be one of a little more serious nature then talking about a haircut or articles of clothing. We have some of the best apparel in the league to chose from, and for you people who don't think image is important go to work with holes in your jeans on casual Friday. That's all i said the man needs a stylist to give him a camera edge. A better image gives you an unexplainable advantage to viewers. People tend to think you are more qualified when you are dressed better. Fans do however make all of this possible i mean think about it without us there is no team. Ill bet you spend numerous hours talking about that same team that doesn't pay you one dollar, and you probably argue about that same team to strangers like me everyday. So don't act like there isn't something to be gained from wanting your team to do better in every possible aspect of the game including how they report the news.
[/quote]

First, let's establish the baseline: you're not hard-pressed to know now... the mods informed you.

Now, for the people that don't fixate on the public image of the large, sweaty, borderline supermen who move hundreds of pounds at impossible speeds, good for you. And as for the other folks in the organization that cover them, they're out there in the heat as well and we enjoy their support. Bates, your thoughts on business attire - based on your 'casual Friday' comment, are antiquated and don't apply to a working football environment. Coaches no longer wear the Tom Landry-esque suits and players and support personnel don't need to either - their suit is their body of work on the field or in the background. On that note, successful modern companies - let's go with the most successful e-commerce company in the history of the planet, Amazon.com - accept performance above attire. Brilliant managers with blue mohawks are better than morons in 'khakis and collars'. Mediocre companies cling to 'style is everything' and lose out as a result. Suffice it to say the target of your commentary doesn't need to impress you in any way, shape or form. Be a fan or don't be a fan. They'll keep playing and being a Raven, on the field or in support roles, and the majority of fans with more than 10 posts on this site won't likely care about his attire nearly as much as his performance.

Let me clarify reality for you a little bit: While fan interest in the NFL does make the salaries possible, that's not your cue to negatively judge. You, I dare say with a LOT of confidence, do not represent the many millions of NFL fans - not by a long shot. For every person who thinks they are righteous in judging there are 1,000,000 more who are wondering what the heck you're talking about and who love their team no matter what. The majority of your posts are judgmental - you have earned no mulligans.

Now, and I love this part, when your logic ran out (just about when you got corrected for being judgmental and decided to defend the weak position of 'judging is cool') you started speculating about what I defend or don't defend, say or don't say, you showed your judgmental character once again. If you can't discuss logically, try to demonize what you perceive as your opponent, right? I'm not sure why you decided to attack me as opposed to my points, but it's a safe bet you ran out of ammo in that poorly placed bunker of an idea that you're the judge of the organization and are allowed, as a fan, to run rampant through that team's board talking smack. Don't get teary-eyed when someone points out that you are wrong, then lash out. Accept your mistake... move on. Because if you're as image conscious as I think you are, you need to take a good look at the image you're laying down for all to see on this board.