[News] Late For Work 8/3: Bold Predictions: Perriman Returns During Camp; West May Win Starting Job

[eze17]

there is no vengeance in my "heart", I never knew ray personally nor do i really care to know him. all i know is that he assaulted his now wife and domestic violence is something that i have zero tolerance for

he can make amends and spread positive messages all he wants and im happy he is trying to make amends but what does it say to young men and women if he is given the privilege of playing football having done what he did (and so publicly) especially if the job comes ahead of other young running backs who have worked hard without a history of domestic abuse

i will never condemn this front office for putting serious issues above salary cap and football concerns (football resets every year, someone's life can be restarted)

Well said. I prefer to remember RR as the guy who made the spectacular catch and run against SD that vaulted us into the playoffs and a super bowl win. Great player. Obviously, not so nice when he's been out at the casino, drinking and arguing with his woman. People can argue forgiveness all they want, but the fact is him and his then fiancé tried to downplay what happened to both the Ravens brass and the league office. And then the video came out that showed they were not truthful in their account. So you have not only domestic violence, which should have zero tolerance anyways, but lying to your bosses. Would your job forgive you if you went in and lied to them about commiting a crime? And yes, it was a crime. It's time to drop the subject. It's not about forgivness and second chances. It's about how a split second wrong decision can alter a young mans life. He will never play in the NFL again. Period.

[rossihunter2]

back to the post topic though, how great would it be if west and campanaro both played significant snaps this season as hometown guys - and also if tavon young who lived close enough to drive to the flock festival after getting drafted could make an impact

i dont know about talent yet, but there are a load of young players in this team who i want to get behind and can imagine a dream scenario where they can all come of age which i havent had in previous years

[billiejean]

I wasn't impressed with the way Buck Allen ran during that Monday Night practice either. He honestly looks like another Bernard Pierce. Terrence West did look and run like he deserves the starting job SO FAR. West also got cheers from the crowd. And I believe that whoever wins the crowd in baltimore should start. Also they moved Dan Brown to TE. Smh Harbaugh is making this guys journey to get playing time more and more difficult. I wouldn't be upset by this if he hadn't been known to let less productive guys hang around and not make any plays. GIVE DANIEL BROWN PLAYING TIME

lol dan brown is a scrub man. face the music already. its clear that your assessment of nfl talent is not as good as you think it is. don't quit your day job

[billiejean]

Well, I don't know about West winning the starting RB role, as I think Forsett has the proven track record of getting the job done. That being said, i'm very happy with the effort he has put in to make the team and show that he can be a contributor. I initially had only three RB's making the cut (Forsett, Allen and Dixon), but if West continues his impressive training camp and plays well in the pre-season I may have to hold the door open for him to get a spot on the 53 man roster.

As far as Perriman goes, I need to see the guy actually play in a game before putting labels on him. Kid has a lot of potential but in the NFL you have to be on the field to prove your worth. I'm staying hopeful that he will get the injury bug off his back and show us why we invested a first round pick on him.

i totally get what your saying but in reality Justin has been in the league for 7 years and had only had one season to write home about.

[billiejean]

  2 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

  2 hours ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

Ray Rice did Ray Rice dirty. Ray Rice is to blame for why Ray Rice isn't playing for a team right now. Ray Rice spit on his wife, hit her once, and then slugged her and knocked her right out. Ray Rice then decided to lie about it to Roger Goodell and the Ravens. Ray Rice decided to sit there and act like it was his wife's fault that he slugged her like that in the press conference he held with Janay after the fact. Ray Rice is lucky he's not in prison. Ray Rice poisoned his name and Ray Rice doesn't deserve the privilege of playing in the NFL and making millions of dollars playing a game.

Ray Rice is free to seek employment in any other venue he chooses. Ray Rice should be used as an example to NFL players that if you do something completely horrible you might very well be forfeiting the privilege to play in the NFL. You can't just get away with everything because you are a special athlete. Stop doing drugs, stop beating up women, and stop hanging out after midnight with guns in nightclubs.

Ray didn't slug her he slapped her when he backed away and she came after him but since she was drunk the slap knocked her down, she hit her head on the rail and THAT knocked her out. Yeah he shouldn't have done it but take those 5 seconds out of his life and hes a model citizen.

"because she was drunk the slap knocked her down" This couldn't be further from the truth and even if it was the truth there is still no excuse. You are looking at this through purple colored glasses.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, billiejean said:

"because she was drunk the slap knocked her down" This couldn't be further from the truth and even if it was the truth there is still no excuse. You are looking at this through purple colored glasses.

it's not even purple coloured glasses, its more like a blindfold

[eze17]

  2 hours ago, eze17 said:

Well, I don't know about West winning the starting RB role, as I think Forsett has the proven track record of getting the job done. That being said, i'm very happy with the effort he has put in to make the team and show that he can be a contributor. I initially had only three RB's making the cut (Forsett, Allen and Dixon), but if West continues his impressive training camp and plays well in the pre-season I may have to hold the door open for him to get a spot on the 53 man roster.

As far as Perriman goes, I need to see the guy actually play in a game before putting labels on him. Kid has a lot of potential but in the NFL you have to be on the field to prove your worth. I'm staying hopeful that he will get the injury bug off his back and show us why we invested a first round pick on him.

i totally get what your saying but in reality Justin has been in the league for 7 years and had only had one season to write home about.

Very true. And if West looks a lot better than Forsett, he deserves to start. However, with Forsett being the veteran I think West would have to really outshine him to claim the starters job. (not to mention Buck Allen, who should be 2nd on the depth chart.) I'm just pleased that we're having this conversation. I hope he can keep this attitude going all year.

[cbrook1862]

  1 hour ago, cbrook1862 said:

So ur perfect? Spill some of ur dirt so we can sit up here and judge you, then kick you off the website because we couldn't forgive you over a small part of ur life which doesn't describe you.

there is a difference between a mistake and hitting someone - that is something he actively chose to do (even if he was drunk he still had to decide to punch her)

The definition of a mistake: an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong. Duh, it wouldn't be called a mistake if it wasn't a choice. that is literally the dumbest reply ive ever read. I think ur getting the words accident and mistake mixed. what he did wasn't an accident he obviously meant to hit her, but he made a mistake deciding to hit her.

[rossihunter2]

2 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

The definition of a mistake: an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong. Duh, it wouldn't be called a mistake if it wasn't a choice. that is literally the dumbest reply ive ever read. I think ur getting the words accident and mistake mixed. what he did wasn't an accident he obviously meant to hit her, but he made a mistake deciding to hit her.

dont be pedantic - i mean in terms of people's discussions of these things

we don't refer to murder as a mistake despite the fact it very much is one - there is a level of bad choice for which the word "mistake" is not harsh enough

[dirtybird66]

1st of all,ugly blackout uni's for PITT,ours are way better,not cause i'm a homer,theyr'e jusy ugly,just like the BUMBLE BEE uni,2nd.if MARC TRESTMAN and FLACCO can get down the quick release offense,it's unstoppable,we have all the tools to do it,expesially if PERRIMAN gets back,it's the reason BRADY is so successful.quick wr timed release.JOE is already pretty quick in release in the sytem we ran,so he can and will make that transission.

[FloridalovesRavens]

i wish the ravens stop drafting WRs made out of glass.

Is that like "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? This kid has had incredibly bad luck. I truly hope he comes in and makes all the naysayers eat their words starting with yours. Go Ravens.

[Ravens_Flock]

I like how people are actually in there talking about Ray Rice. I like how people are sitting here still condemning him for one nightmare moment in his life, that he and his family have already paid for in spades. I like how people are talking about Ray Rice, as if he SHOULD never ever get another chance to play in the NFL again, when he is, at heart, a good person, and absolutely deserves it. I also like how people try to take "moral" stand, and say that "look what he did, what example does that set if he's allowed to play again?", when Adrian Peterson literally whipped the hell out of his own child, leaving welts, cuts and bruises, yet he is back in the league, playing, and even being celebrated once more.

Out of all the players who have made major mistakes or even done very bad things in the NFL, and have gotten second (or even third) chances to continue playing, I would go so far as to say Ray Rice deserves that kind of opportunity to play, far more than most of them have. The dude is a good guy, who had one bad night. A REALLY bad night. But who is anyone else to judge? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", eh? He already got his punishment. And if he touched an NFL field again, you know he would light it up, because he's been itching to play and put all that behind him for years now. I'm not saying the Ravens should re-hire him (though I wouldn't be against it), they wouldn't, for PR reasons. But he DOES deserve a shot with SOME team, and you can't tell me there aren't teams out there right now who couldn't use an RB of his ability.

[rossihunter2]

22 minutes ago, Ravens_Flock said:

I like how people are actually in there talking about Ray Rice. I like how people are sitting here still condemning him for one nightmare moment in his life, that he and his family have already paid for in spades. I like how people are talking about Ray Rice, as if he SHOULD never ever get another chance to play in the NFL again, when he is, at heart, a good person, and absolutely deserves it. I also like how people try to take "moral" stand, and say that "look what he did, what example does that set if he's allowed to play again?", when Adrian Peterson literally whipped the hell out of his own child, leaving welts, cuts and bruises, yet he is back in the league, playing, and even being celebrated once more.

Out of all the players who have made major mistakes or even done very bad things in the NFL, and have gotten second (or even third) chances to continue playing, I would go so far as to say Ray Rice deserves that kind of opportunity to play, far more than most of them have. The dude is a good guy, who had one bad night. A REALLY bad night. But who is anyone else to judge? "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", eh? He already got his punishment. And if he touched an NFL field again, you know he would light it up, because he's been itching to play and put all that behind him for years now. I'm not saying the Ravens should re-hire him (though I wouldn't be against it), they wouldn't, for PR reasons. But he DOES deserve a shot with SOME team, and you can't tell me there aren't teams out there right now who couldn't use an RB of his ability.

The issue here then is not that ray rice should play it is that those others should not. I personally find it sad that AP and Greg hardy etc. are still in the league after their problems not that Ray rice isn't.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

5 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

So ur perfect? Spill some of ur dirt so we can sit up here and judge you, then kick you off the website because we couldn't forgive you over a small part of ur life which doesn't describe you.

You know what? There are actually people in this world that are capable of living day to day lives where they don't engage in this type of behavior. Sue me because I grew up with my Grandmother and parents teaching me how to behave a certain way. Sue me because I keep my nose clean. Am I perfect? Nope, nobody is. But my mistakes tend to be, "dangit, I forgot to take the trash out last night." They don't tend to be, "I accidentally spit in my wife's face, then I accidentally followed her into an elevator, accidentally smacked her in the face, then accidentally slugged her so hard to drop her like a bad habit, accidentally dragged her out of the elevator like a sack of potatoes, and then I accidentally lied about it to the front office of the team that just so happened to recently sign me to a long term, big money deal, then I accidentally lied to the commissioner of the NFL so he wouldn't suspend me for too long so that I could get paid that lucrative contract I just signed."

You'll have to just forgive me for not being able to relate to those kinds of "mistakes."

 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

44 minutes ago, rossihunter2 said:

The issue here then is not that ray rice should play it is that those others should not. I personally find it sad that AP and Greg hardy etc. are still in the league after their problems not that Ray rice isn't.

Yeah, just because other teams won't stand up and do the right thing doesn't mean that the Ravens should stoop to their level.

[cbrook1862]

  5 hours ago, cbrook1862 said:

So ur perfect? Spill some of ur dirt so we can sit up here and judge you, then kick you off the website because we couldn't forgive you over a small part of ur life which doesn't describe you.

You know what? There are actually people in this world that are capable of living day to day lives where they don't engage in this type of behavior. Sue me because I grew up with my Grandmother and parents teaching me how to behave a certain way. Sue me because I keep my nose clean. Am I perfect? Nope, nobody is. But my mistakes tend to be, "dangit, I forgot to take the trash out last night." They don't tend to be, "I accidentally spit in my wife's face, then I accidentally followed her into an elevator, accidentally smacked her in the face, then accidentally slugged her so hard to drop her like a bad habit, accidentally dragged her out of the elevator like a sack of potatoes, and then I accidentally lied about it to the front office of the team that just so happened to recently sign me to a long term, big money deal, then I accidentally lied to the commissioner of the NFL so he wouldn't suspend me for too long so that I could get paid that lucrative contract I just signed."

You'll have to just forgive me for not being able to relate to those kinds of "mistakes."

 

He didn't lie, he told then the truth, then the video came out. The NFL and the ravens got scared, freaked out, and cut him so they could save their image. I love the team but that's the truth. A lot of people don't ko their spouses don't make you seem so dandy. A mistake is a very broad term, a mistake can be a mistake no matter how small or big.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

5 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

He didn't lie, he told then the truth, then the video came out. The NFL and the ravens got scared, freaked out, and cut him so they could save their image. I love the team but that's the truth. A lot of people don't ko their spouses don't make you seem so dandy. A mistake is a very broad term, a mistake can be a mistake no matter how small or big.

He....did.....not.....tell.....them......the......truth. And Dick Cass is on record as stating this. To avoid all the argument I will post their direct quotes since nobody seems to feel like actually investigating it and want to continue to claim that Ray was perfectly honest:

Dick Cass...of the Ravens:

However, in a response to the same question from the Sun, Ravens president Dick Cass indicated the incident, as captured on video, “just looks very different than what we understood the facts to be.”

Said Cass: “There’s a big difference between reading a report that says he knocked her unconscious or being told that someone had slapped someone and that she had hit her head. That is one version of the facts. That’s what we understood to be the case. When you see the video, it just looks very different than what we understood the facts to be.”

Your definition of a mistake is a lot more liberal than mine. But let's go ahead and stick with your terminology. Ray Rice made a HUGE mistake and in kind he's paying a HUGE penalty.

[MTRavensFan]

Enough is enough! The whole RR saga has been debated ad nauseum elsewhere on this site, do we really need to re-hash it again? Can we please just agree to disagree? as everyone has a different opinion, and none is any more valid than another.

He is no longer a Raven, will not be a Raven, we just signed another RB, and both the team and its' fans need to start looking forward, not backwards. The season is upon us, there is so much more to talk about!

[concretejimmy]

Ravens will sweep the Steelers on Christmas day.

[omar586]

On 8/3/2016 at 3:57 PM, FloridalovesRavens said:

Is that like "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"? This kid has had incredibly bad luck. I truly hope he comes in and makes all the naysayers eat their words starting with yours. Go Ravens.

i hope so too, but it seems the slightest stress on his knee will sideline him.