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[EdTheMythicalOne]

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

Totally agree with your opinion. I'm afraid that's an episode the Ravens management will never live down. It's the shame of the front office, not the team or the players.

I can't believe people actually feel this way. So the Ravens are supposed to stand by a lying woman beater?

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

I think you may be quite mistaken. Had the Ravens kept Rice, he would have continued to stay in the news, he would have continued to be a target for abuse organizations and he never would have been able to participate in the things he did to help him get his life back together. The Ravens would have been picketed, you had people burning Ray Rice jerseys and the publicity factor was too negative and would have had an effect on the locker room. Hardy is proof that even a very bad person can get a job in the NFL if they have the skill set. There are 31 other teams and, like Hardy, had they felt he was good enough, he would have gotten a chance. People told him over and over, go to the CFL, go to Arena, go somewhere where you can show you still have it and he chose to pursue a NFL career only which is never going to happen based on his skill set not his legal issues. He can still pursue a career in Canada where he could prove his worth, but he chooses not to do that. That is his choice.

Well, we'll never know now, will we? The cowardice of the front office to try to do the right thing is the only real legacy we will ever have out of this sorry incident.

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

So Rice knocks out a woman, on camera no less, but it's the Ravens fault his career is ruined? Brilliant.

Not the Ravens fault. Only one man. Biscotti, the shame of Baltimore.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

Not the Ravens fault. Only one man. Biscotti, the shame of Baltimore.

i dont think bisciotti hit janay, pretty sure ray did that

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

Ray Rice did Ray Rice dirty. Ray Rice is to blame for why Ray Rice isn't playing for a team right now. Ray Rice spit on his wife, hit her once, and then slugged her and knocked her right out. Ray Rice then decided to lie about it to Roger Goodell and the Ravens. Ray Rice decided to sit there and act like it was his wife's fault that he slugged her like that in the press conference he held with Janay after the fact. Ray Rice is lucky he's not in prison. Ray Rice poisoned his name and Ray Rice doesn't deserve the privilege of playing in the NFL and making millions of dollars playing a game.

Ray Rice is free to seek employment in any other venue he chooses. Ray Rice should be used as an example to NFL players that if you do something completely horrible you might very well be forfeiting the privilege to play in the NFL. You can't just get away with everything because you are a special athlete. Stop doing drugs, stop beating up women, and stop hanging out after midnight with guns in nightclubs.

You're memory of history is faulty. Go back and read what really happened. Goodell and Biscotti responding to sob sisters of the media rather than their own humane judgment.

[RRRRRavens]

  59 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

I think you may be quite mistaken. Had the Ravens kept Rice, he would have continued to stay in the news, he would have continued to be a target for abuse organizations and he never would have been able to participate in the things he did to help him get his life back together. The Ravens would have been picketed, you had people burning Ray Rice jerseys and the publicity factor was too negative and would have had an effect on the locker room. Hardy is proof that even a very bad person can get a job in the NFL if they have the skill set. There are 31 other teams and, like Hardy, had they felt he was good enough, he would have gotten a chance. People told him over and over, go to the CFL, go to Arena, go somewhere where you can show you still have it and he chose to pursue a NFL career only which is never going to happen based on his skill set not his legal issues. He can still pursue a career in Canada where he could prove his worth, but he chooses not to do that. That is his choice.

I agree JohnnyPurple with your point, but let me add one more point. Hitting his girlfriend now wife in an elevator, knocking her unconscious was bad. His name would come up every time someone thought about domestic violence in the league. Yes that hurt his career, but the fault is not our Baltimore Ravens Brass it is his and only his. They didn't tell him to go out and knock out your girlfriend, That was a choice made by Ray Rice and now he has to live with the consequences of his actions.

And he becomes the poster child for what not to do, as he is now. A legacy of making a mistake and then redeeming himself. An example to all and how to be the spokesman for what NOT to do.;

[RRRRRavens]

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

I agree 100% JP. I thought the Ravens were supposed to have their players backs. They threw Ray under the bus to appease the media. I was very disappointed in the front office that day.

Totally agree, Sami.

[RRRRRavens]

  43 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

  1 hour ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

Ray Rice did Ray Rice dirty. Ray Rice is to blame for why Ray Rice isn't playing for a team right now. Ray Rice spit on his wife, hit her once, and then slugged her and knocked her right out. Ray Rice then decided to lie about it to Roger Goodell and the Ravens. Ray Rice decided to sit there and act like it was his wife's fault that he slugged her like that in the press conference he held with Janay after the fact. Ray Rice is lucky he's not in prison. Ray Rice poisoned his name and Ray Rice doesn't deserve the privilege of playing in the NFL and making millions of dollars playing a game.

Ray Rice is free to seek employment in any other venue he chooses. Ray Rice should be used as an example to NFL players that if you do something completely horrible you might very well be forfeiting the privilege to play in the NFL. You can't just get away with everything because you are a special athlete. Stop doing drugs, stop beating up women, and stop hanging out after midnight with guns in nightclubs.

Ray didn't slug her he slapped her when he backed away and she came after him but since she was drunk the slap knocked her down, she hit her head on the rail and THAT knocked her out. Yeah he shouldn't have done it but take those 5 seconds out of his life and hes a model citizen.

And apparently still is.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

And he becomes the poster child for what not to do, as he is now. A legacy of making a mistake and then redeeming himself. An example to all and how to be the spokesman for what NOT to do.;

most people who get to leave those legacies have to do the time first - ray didnt do any time - if he hadnt been a successful football player he'd probably still be in jail

[EdTheMythicalOne]

13 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

You're memory of history is faulty. Go back and read what really happened. Goodell and Biscotti responding to sob sisters of the media rather than their own humane judgment.

I have the quotes of Roger Goodell and Dick Cass of the Ravens in another post in a forum thread. Just look for the runningback's name. Roger says that Ray mislead him. Dick Cass makes a long comment that politely says that Ray lied to him. Then there is the actual full video to look at. My memory isn't faulty at all. Seems like others want to engage in revisionist history.

There is only one person to blame for the position Ray Rice is in. It isn't any of the Ravens front office. It isn't Roger Goodell. It isn't anyone from the media. It isn't anyone from a domestic violence group. The one person to blame is Ray Rice. Period.

Edited August 3, 2016 by EdTheMythicalOne

[robbie29]

Ravens- please don't ever use a first round pick to draft a Wide Receiver again. Ever. Stick with defense and O Linemen in round 1.

[RRRRRavens]

  9 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

And he becomes the poster child for what not to do, as he is now. A legacy of making a mistake and then redeeming himself. An example to all and how to be the spokesman for what NOT to do.;

most people who get to leave those legacies have to do the time first - ray didnt do any time - if he hadnt been a successful football player he'd probably still be in jail

Read your history before commenting, please. He was given all the legal due process you or I would have received. A judge decided what punishment he should have and Ray accepted it. Unfortunately people like you want to keep punishing him even though you are not a judge. Where's the fairness in that?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

Read your history before commenting, please. He was given all the legal due process you or I would have received. A judge decided what punishment he should have and Ray accepted it. Unfortunately people like you want to keep punishing him even though you are not a judge. Where's the fairness in that?

The only reason why he is not in jail is by the grace of his now wife. Had she decided to press charges he would not have been able to get off with just entering a diversionary program.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, RRRRRavens said:

Read your history before commenting, please. He was given all the legal due process you or I would have received. A judge decided what punishment he should have and Ray accepted it. Unfortunately people like you want to keep punishing him even though you are not a judge. Where's the fairness in that?

i'm not still punishing him - just dont think he needs to be rewarded with a second chance in the nfl

[RRRRRavens]

  2 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Read your history before commenting, please. He was given all the legal due process you or I would have received. A judge decided what punishment he should have and Ray accepted it. Unfortunately people like you want to keep punishing him even though you are not a judge. Where's the fairness in that?

i'm not still punishing him - just dont think he needs to be rewarded with a second chance in the nfl

Yes you are. Just look into your own heart and see if you don't find a touch of vengeance there. It shows in your writing, if nowhere else.

[RRRRRavens]

  7 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Read your history before commenting, please. He was given all the legal due process you or I would have received. A judge decided what punishment he should have and Ray accepted it. Unfortunately people like you want to keep punishing him even though you are not a judge. Where's the fairness in that?

The only reason why he is not in jail is by the grace of his now wife. Had she decided to press charges he would not have been able to get off with just entering a diversionary program.

She forgave him. You, apparently, cannot.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

27 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

Well, we'll never know now, will we? The cowardice of the front office to try to do the right thing is the only real legacy we will ever have out of this sorry incident.

The front office did the right thing. Looks like the rest of the NFL is making that point quite clear.

[RRRRRavens]

  22 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

You're memory of history is faulty. Go back and read what really happened. Goodell and Biscotti responding to sob sisters of the media rather than their own humane judgment.

I have the quotes of Roger Goodell and Dick Cass of the Ravens in another post in a forum thread. Just look for the runningback's name. Roger says that Ray mislead him. Dick Cass makes a long comment that politely says that Ray lied to him. Then there is the actual full video to look at. My memory isn't faulty at all. Seems like others want to engage in revisionist history.

There is only one person to blame for the position Ray Rice is in. It isn't any of the Ravens front office. It isn't Roger Goodell. It isn't anyone from the media. It isn't anyone from a domestic violence group. The one person to blame is Ray Rice. Period.

And you believe these people? After all the lies that were exposed about this incident that they told at the time?

[rossihunter2]

there is no vengeance in my "heart", I never knew ray personally nor do i really care to know him. all i know is that he assaulted his now wife and domestic violence is something that i have zero tolerance for

he can make amends and spread positive messages all he wants and im happy he is trying to make amends but what does it say to young men and women if he is given the privilege of playing football having done what he did (and so publicly) especially if the job comes ahead of other young running backs who have worked hard without a history of domestic abuse

i will never condemn this front office for putting serious issues above salary cap and football concerns (football resets every year, someone's life can be restarted)

[rossihunter2]

Just now, RRRRRavens said:

And you believe these people? After all the lies that were exposed about this incident that they told at the time?

it sounds like the only person you want to believe here is ray rice

[EdTheMythicalOne]

8 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

She forgave him. You, apparently, cannot.

Millions of dollars and the promise of marriage can sway some people. He didn't make those promises to me, so no, I don't have to forgive him.

[RRRRRavens]

there is no vengeance in my "heart", I never knew ray personally nor do i really care to know him. all i know is that he assaulted his now wife and domestic violence is something that i have zero tolerance for

he can make amends and spread positive messages all he wants and im happy he is trying to make amends but what does it say to young men and women if he is given the privilege of playing football having done what he did (and so publicly) especially if the job comes ahead of other young running backs who have worked hard without a history of domestic abuse

i will never condemn this front office for putting serious issues above salary cap and football concerns (football resets every year, someone's life can be restarted)

The only issue the front office was concerned about was the bottom line as the timeline of this affair at the time clearly indicated.

The "Ray Rice affair" will go down in history as the Raven's version of the Dreyfus affair (see French history, early 20th century).

I am going to close my comments on this thread on this issue now as I suspect the Mods will soon be closing in on us.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

7 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

And you believe these people? After all the lies that were exposed about this incident that they told at the time?

I tend to believe people that aren't trying to drag their unconscious mother of their child and soon to be wife out like a sack of meat from an elevator that just spit in her face, slapped her, and then slugged her to knock her out and lie about it.

Which lies did Goodell and the Ravens front office tell?

[cbrook1862]

  37 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

  2 hours ago, johnnypurple said:

The Ravens as a whole, Harbs, Biscotti all did Ray Rice dirty.  Yea he made a mistake but no one did a better job of fixing it than RR did.  The Ravens caved to the media BS....unfortunately RR's name has been poisoned and no one will touch him.  Several other players in the league currently have done far worse than RR and continue to play.  

Totally agree with your opinion. I'm afraid that's an episode the Ravens management will never live down. It's the shame of the front office, not the team or the players.

I can't believe people actually feel this way. So the Ravens are supposed to stand by a lying woman beater?

Beater would suggest he hits her repeatedly or constantly. as far as we know that was a one time thing, and women do have a way of pushing your buttons. Let it go they were both drunk, she was pissing him off and he made a mistake. other than that I look at him no differently.

[cbrook1862]

Can we talk about football? Why are we talking about Ray Rice. The ravens and the league did him dirty, he's a great person, he made a mistake, but unfortunately he's not on the team even tho I wish he was.

Perriman starting week 1 is laughable

[EdTheMythicalOne]

4 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

Beater would suggest he hits her repeatedly or constantly. as far as we know that was a one time thing, and women do have a way of pushing your buttons. Let it go they were both drunk, she was pissing him off and he made a mistake. other than that I look at him no differently.

He beat a woman. That means he is a woman beater. It suggests nothing. If you don't want to be called a woman beater then I would suggest that you not beat a woman. So yeah, if you make millions of dollars it is okay to get angry and spit on a woman, slap her, and then when she still doesn't shut up just knock her out cold. Even better, go lie about what you did. Then play the sympathy woe is me card, what do I have to do to get back to the only thing I can make millions of dollars doing?

You can look at him any way you choose. I just think a lot of people in this thread must condone knocking women unconscious and it is no big deal because it was only a five second mistake, right?

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

Can we talk about football? Why are we talking about Ray Rice. The ravens and the league did him dirty, he's a great person, he made a mistake, but unfortunately he's not on the team even tho I wish he was.

Perriman starting week 1 is laughable

Because somebody brought him up as a camp body. Ray Rice did Janay dirty. A person who beats up a woman is not a great person. He didn't make a mistake, he's got a problem.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, cbrook1862 said:

Beater would suggest he hits her repeatedly or constantly. as far as we know that was a one time thing, and women do have a way of pushing your buttons. Let it go they were both drunk, she was pissing him off and he made a mistake. other than that I look at him no differently.

i'm sorry but that is an appalling thing to say - don't generalize women like that or even vaguely imply she deserved to be hit and "let it go"? that is a terrible attitude to have - of course i look at him differently - before this he was ray rice, now he is someone who has done something heinous 

[cbrook1862]

  14 minutes ago, RRRRRavens said:

She forgave him. You, apparently, cannot.

Millions of dollars and the promise of marriage can sway some people. He didn't make those promises to me, so no, I don't have to forgive him.

So ur perfect? Spill some of ur dirt so we can sit up here and judge you, then kick you off the website because we couldn't forgive you over a small part of ur life which doesn't describe you.

[rossihunter2]

1 minute ago, cbrook1862 said:

So ur perfect? Spill some of ur dirt so we can sit up here and judge you, then kick you off the website because we couldn't forgive you over a small part of ur life which doesn't describe you.

there is a difference between a mistake and hitting someone - that is something he actively chose to do (even if he was drunk he still had to decide to punch her)