Training Camp/Preseason HYPE discussion thread

[JoeyFlex5]

the TC news thread is supposed to be strictly for news and updates and deeper discussions are inevitable there, prompting mod warnings, so i figure this is a place to really discuss all things TC/preseason/hype related. Position battles, draft picks, disappointments, sleepers, all goes here! 

 

let me start by saying the constant talk about KC being around the ball and making plays since all the way back in rookie OTAs has me hyped, this kids a dog and i cant wait to see him in real action. 

the latest report i read from RSR said BK got stonewalled often, this was an initial worry of mine, i dont think hes quite explosive enough to be rushOLB, and i think he has too much trouble with push and leverage to play any kind of interior DL role, obviously its way too early to even begin a real judgement here but im just hoping he learns to engage better.

[trevorsteadman]

I am also hyped for Correa. Right when he was drafted I was excited even when most went "ehh". When we drafted him we were given a C grade for drafting him when we did. Now it looks like he may start out of the gate and he is frustrating our offense. Good news so far...

I haven't heard much about Stanley but I guess you don't really hear much about offensive linemen at this point of the year. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

. Now it looks like he may start out of the gate and he is frustrating our offense. Good news so far...

 

He appears to have a "motor", but he has not looked good on the edge. 

"Frustrating" the offense is one way of putting it, but what troubles me most is getting into it with Pitta of all people. Then flattening Wallace and his commentary that it's football.  We need smart players and hustling with a motor is great, but not understanding where and when to call the dogs off is troubling.  His isolated zeal concerns me.

Edited August 2, 2016 by Danny D

[trevorsteadman]

17 minutes ago, Danny D said:

He appears to have a "motor", but he has not looked good on the edge. 

"Frustrating" the offense is one way of putting it, but what troubles me most is getting into it with Pitta of all people. Then flattening Wallace and his commentary that it's football.  We need smart players and hustling with a motor is great, but not understanding where and when to call the dogs off is troubling.  His isolated zeal concerns me.

I think it would be a bigger deal if it was said he was making contact after the whistle. I think he is playing to the whistle and I don't think many expected anyone to do that in training camp.

[January J]

8 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

I think it would be a bigger deal if it was said he was making contact after the whistle. I think he is playing to the whistle and I don't think many expected anyone to do that in training camp.

Well pitta said he was doing alot of after the whistle stuff which is what set him off and instigated the whole thing.

[trevorsteadman]

12 minutes ago, January J said:

Well pitta said he was doing alot of after the whistle stuff which is what set him off and instigated the whole thing.

My point is people bump all the time after the whistle here and there and how much contact was there really? I wasn't there to know and neither was most the fans. The only way we would know was by tape. If the coaching staff saw something I don't think they would continue to let Correa play with the starters. 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, Danny D said:

He appears to have a "motor", but he has not looked good on the edge. 

"Frustrating" the offense is one way of putting it, but what troubles me most is getting into it with Pitta of all people. Then flattening Wallace and his commentary that it's football.  We need smart players and hustling with a motor is great, but not understanding where and when to call the dogs off is troubling.  His isolated zeal concerns me.

Lucky for us were not asking him to play the edge very much, and in the process looks like a special player at ILB and is killing it in coverage which is something we severely lack. 

 

Also, playing the edge doesn't describe his ability as a 43olb or a blitzer, which is where he most appears to be a threat to make a play anyway

[rmw10]

I actually really like Correa moving around, and I think he could find a home at ILB in most cases.  I still think he's a viable option as an edge rusher in some situations, but he certainly doesn't have the size (at least my preferred size) of a 3-4 OLB.

[RavensFan34950]

How about the play of Za'Darius Smith? He was my prediction for breakout player this year and it sounds like he's on pace to prove me right. Like I said before, I predict he'll get about 8-9 Sacks this year.

[JoeyFlex5]

58 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

I actually really like Correa moving around, and I think he could find a home at ILB in most cases.  I still think he's a viable option as an edge rusher in some situations, but he certainly doesn't have the size (at least my preferred size) of a 3-4 OLB.

I think correa could potentially find a home at weak side OLB, he definitely doesn't have the size for strong side though, being only 6'1"(I think, not certain) and being extremely stocky and explosive off the snap could give him a good enough leverage advantage that he can use his speed without getting washed out every time he engages the LT, he would need to work on his hand usage a lot though and hes probably very far away from that point right now

[Somerset Ravens]

9 minutes ago, RavensFan34950 said:

How about the play of Za'Darius Smith? He was my prediction for breakout player this year and it sounds like he's on pace to prove me right. Like I said before, I predict he'll get about 8-9 Sacks this year.

I agree with you. If we use Smith to replace Upshaw I see improved coverage skills and a stronger pass rush to help our defense get better.

[January J]

4 hours ago, trevorsteadman said:

My point is people bump all the time after the whistle here and there and how much contact was there really? I wasn't there to know and neither was most the fans. The only way we would know was by tape. If the coaching staff saw something I don't think they would continue to let Correa play with the starters. 

The fact that it actually set off Mr. Nice guy dennis pitta tells me all I need to know. And that's not saying correa was purposefully doing anything wrong either, he's a rookie and he just isnt familiar with how the vets handle things. Got a feeling he will clean it up though , esp after the visit from Joe cool.

Edited August 2, 2016 by January J

[Edgar]

This defense needs more nasty. I would much rather hear that Correa is too physical (if there is such a thing) than that he is tentative and slow to react.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

This defense needs more nasty. I would much rather hear that Correa is too physical (if there is such a thing) than that he is tentative and slow to react.

 

This. The thing that made me a big kc fan was how nasty he was. There were a few knocks on him, but he is a dog and toughness was not one if those knocks.

[Jacquouille]

A bit of a side note: but KC is so jacked, doesn't he remind you of old school LBs? 

Like a Bart Scott or something? Just physically I mean.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Jacquouille said:

A bit of a side note: but KC is so jacked, doesn't he remind you of old school LBs? 

Like a Bart Scott or something? Just physically I mean.

His physique actually reminds me a bit of ray, he's got so much abs that it looks like a gut and his arms look like they have nowhere to store all the muscle. This boy being only 21 is unbelievable.

[K-Dog]

I would prefer to wait and see him bring out his nasty side in September.  August, you can lighten up just a little bit.

( BTW hopefully that already is the case )

[GrimCoconut]

23 hours ago, Edgar said:

This defense needs more nasty. I would much rather hear that Correa is too physical (if there is such a thing) than that he is tentative and slow to react.

 

I couldn't agree more. I can't remember how many times I've recently watched the team and wondered what happened to our nastiness and attitude on defense. I get that nobody likes a problem child,  especially when our players suffer,  but I'd rather tell a guy to tone it down than turn it up. 

[izvoodoo]

On 8/2/2016 at 11:43 AM, rmw10 said:

I actually really like Correa moving around, and I think he could find a home at ILB in most cases.  I still think he's a viable option as an edge rusher in some situations, but he certainly doesn't have the size (at least my preferred size) of a 3-4 OLB.

I actually really liked when Clay Matthews was ILB for Packers.  Not ideal, but I like being able to move guys around. 

[Edgar]

In terms of fierce, fast, angry and violent football, I'll take three of Correa.

I wasn't big on his selection initially but I love what I'm reading so far. I want a defender to live for hitting the opposition, play angry and to spill his guts trying to make a play.

If he continues to show and earn time, his passion will catch on.

(Curious to watch the UDFA safety/linebacker as he seems to fit above description).

[JoeyFlex5]

48 minutes ago, Edgar said:

In terms of fierce, fast, angry and violent football, I'll take three of Correa.

I wasn't big on his selection initially but I love what I'm reading so far. I want a defender to live for hitting the opposition, play angry and to spill his guts trying to make a play.

If he continues to show and earn time, his passion will catch on.

(Curious to watch the UDFA safety/linebacker as he seems to fit above description).

When everyone was bashing the pick relentlessly, I tried to tell everyone... This is the kind of guy were getting, he steps on the field as our most explosive and fast front seven defender, and he is an absolute dog, he just plays like a bully. He's just what the doctor ordered for this defense.

[Jacquouille]

I'm interested in the shift from S to LB by Elam, Onwuasor and Levine. Not sure they'll all find a place in the 53, but it looks like a position battle to look.

 

Man, I'd love to see any 3LBs package with Correa, Mosley and Onwuasor. I'd be like "Who let the dogs out"!

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I think the hype is already being handled quite well by the writers for this site.

"Forsett playing like he did in his Pro Bowl year." Really? we can tell that from limited snaps in practice, eh?

"Matt Judon made a play on a pass, proving he can do more than just rush the passer." Yeah, he made one whole play in coverage so far and now he's ready to drop in zones and run with slot WR's and cover TE's?

"Mike Wallace proving he will be a huge weapon..." Yeah? in practice? Because over the past 4-5 years in the NFL he hasn't proven that.

There's not a lack of hype around here for sure.

[DenverRaven]

As far as immediate impact, I think Wallace, Watson & Weddle will be huge this season. Watson is a good RZ target, but Wallace gives back that speed which Torrey took to SF. If Perriman ever gets on the field, the combo of having to cover both Wallace and Perriman would be pretty daunting. However, just having Wallace is a big step up, if only for speed reasons.

Weddle will change everything for this D. He's smart, quick, but maybe most importantly, he's showing that leadership gap we've been missing since 52/20 left.

I think Young and Moore also see time and make an impact as the season progresses. I'm a big fan of the KC pick, love that he's being a menace already. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

On 8/2/2016 at 8:59 AM, trevorsteadman said:

My point is people bump all the time after the whistle here and there and how much contact was there really? I wasn't there to know and neither was most the fans. The only way we would know was by tape. If the coaching staff saw something I don't think they would continue to let Correa play with the starters. 

Put it to you this way. How many times in Pitta's career did you hear of him snapping at an opposing player on the field and getting in their face? How many times in his career did you hear about him getting into scuffles in training camp. I won't say it never happened before because it may have and I just don't recall, but I don't ever recall hearing this about Pitta ever. So if Pitta is going out of his way to put some rookie in his place, chances are it was for a very good reason.

[The Raven]

29 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Put it to you this way. How many times in Pitta's career did you hear of him snapping at an opposing player on the field and getting in their face? How many times in his career did you hear about him getting into scuffles in training camp. I won't say it never happened before because it may have and I just don't recall, but I don't ever recall hearing this about Pitta ever. So if Pitta is going out of his way to put some rookie in his place, chances are it was for a very good reason.

Or maybe the culture of the team has gotten a little soft. After last season, that's my conclusion.

Or maybe, tempers flared. It's hot, it's camp, and the former starter might feel the pressure of not being guaranteed the starting spot....

In a league that is growing softer, I'm happy to have a rookie that pisses off vets. We need some damn fire on this team. Our defense has been soft not because of coaching, but because we lacked fiery, explosive guys that liked hitting people.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

15 hours ago, The Raven said:

Or maybe the culture of the team has gotten a little soft. After last season, that's my conclusion.

Or maybe, tempers flared. It's hot, it's camp, and the former starter might feel the pressure of not being guaranteed the starting spot....

In a league that is growing softer, I'm happy to have a rookie that pisses off vets. We need some damn fire on this team. Our defense has been soft not because of coaching, but because we lacked fiery, explosive guys that liked hitting people.

Getting into fights after the whistle blows isn't a display of being "hard." It is a display of being stupid. I'd rather have rookies being known for being smart, being in the right place at the right time, and hearing about their understanding of their position. I'd rather hear about highlights of plays they made rather than the number of fights they go into.

Our defense is/was soft....yeah. I guess Timmy Jernigan is the hardest guy around because he was cool to get all those personal foul penalties that negated 3rd and long for our opponents and extended their drives to let them win those games, huh? He was stupid for doing it, but at least he showed everyone he wasn't "soft."

[JoeyFlex5]

35 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Getting into fights after the whistle blows isn't a display of being "hard." It is a display of being stupid. I'd rather have rookies being known for being smart, being in the right place at the right time, and hearing about their understanding of their position. I'd rather hear about highlights of plays they made rather than the number of fights they go into.

Our defense is/was soft....yeah. I guess Timmy Jernigan is the hardest guy around because he was cool to get all those personal foul penalties that negated 3rd and long for our opponents and extended their drives to let them win those games, huh? He was stupid for doing it, but at least he showed everyone he wasn't "soft."

Hitting after the whistle is what jernigan did, that's not tough, but being imposing and delivering crushing legal hits as often as possible from all 11 players creates a culture of being hard nosed and builds a reputation to be feared. 

[BmoreBird22]

18 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

"Mike Wallace proving he will be a huge weapon..." Yeah? in practice? Because over the past 4-5 years in the NFL he hasn't proven that.

If you go back four and five years, he had over 2400 yards and 18 touchdowns. In his time with the Dolphins, he never had less than 800 yards and averaged eight touchdowns a season.... all with limp noodle Ryan Tannehill. 

Did you watch him in Miami at all? 

I mean, really, the only year that "proves" that is last year when he played with literally the worst deep ball passer in the league in an offense that relies on the deep ball.

[BmoreBird22]

44 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Our defense is/was soft....yeah. I guess Timmy Jernigan is the hardest guy around because he was cool to get all those personal foul penalties that negated 3rd and long for our opponents and extended their drives to let them win those games, huh? He was stupid for doing it, but at least he showed everyone he wasn't "soft."

One thing you didn't hear was Timmy Jernigan get reprimanded for that personal foul, late hit. Harbaugh, who usually makes an example of that, didn't say a word about it. 

The team wants more dogs that'll go out there and bust a player in the mouth.