[News] News And Notes 7/29: Rookie Fourth-Rounders Impress

[BR News]

Wide receiver Chris Moore and Tavon Young both came up with big plays during the second day of training camp.

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[ravensnj]

Looks like things on Offense are going as planned. Moore is going to be the man, and Young is who we thought he was.

[cbrook1862]

Im glad Moore and Young are doing good in camp. I hope Gillmore is okay

[gregob56]

Would love to know if Joe is hitting the receivers in stride on the deep balls. Or, do they still have to come back for them? Over the past 2 yrs, I feel that he missed several opps for TDs b/c of the under thrown deep pass.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Looks like things on Offense are going as planned. Moore is going to be the man, and Young is who we thought he was.

Nobody is who we thought they were in practice. They are in pads but not tackling and guys who won't even be in the NFL is the level of competition some of these guys are facing. Even the pre season won't tell you too much unless a guy is just flat out messing up out there. Success has to be put in its proper perspective until these guys start playing real NFL games.

[stixfix69]

Well all i got to say the Ravens do their home work when drafting players...Stanley a lot of people were on the fence with, but he is not a only a good person, and as Yanda says keeps his head down and mouth shut, and listen and learn....Now Joey Bosa is just to good for the NFL, as he won't report to camp.....We got a player who knows the its a huge privilege to play in the league, took care of hos contract, missed no OTA's, and ever sand in a chicken suit....gotta love it...

[GENE2407]

Sorry folks, all this trumped up talk about 4th round picks. Here's the reality: in the past 5 years, only FOUR players in the entire fourth round have made even one pro bowl. That's 4 players out of 150-plus picks. 5th round? Only 2 players in the past 5 years. In this league, you win with elite 1st and 2nd round talent, not 4th and 5th rounders.

[MadStorkSociety]

Sorry folks, all this trumped up talk about 4th round picks. Here's the reality: in the past 5 years, only FOUR players in the entire fourth round have made even one pro bowl. That's 4 players out of 150-plus picks. 5th round? Only 2 players in the past 5 years. In this league, you win with elite 1st and 2nd round talent, not 4th and 5th rounders.

Which is why i have always been dubious of the "collecting draft picks" strategy. Unless they are used to trade up for top talent, what good is so many picks. We have 90 players that we have to pare down to 53, so half of the picks will get cut anyway.

[RRRRRavens]

Sorry folks, all this trumped up talk about 4th round picks. Here's the reality: in the past 5 years, only FOUR players in the entire fourth round have made even one pro bowl. That's 4 players out of 150-plus picks. 5th round? Only 2 players in the past 5 years. In this league, you win with elite 1st and 2nd round talent, not 4th and 5th rounders.

Really? How many teams today could completely fill out a 22 man roster with only 1st and 2nd round players. Actually, I'll go further. How many could claim even 10 such players on their team?

[hen826957]

I really like that Tavon kid. I think Tavon Young could be a player like Lardarius Webb was before the injures he had he could be a very good slot corner. I like that pick.

[mc_red23]

19 hours ago, GENE2407 said:

Sorry folks, all this trumped up talk about 4th round picks. Here's the reality: in the past 5 years, only FOUR players in the entire fourth round have made even one pro bowl. That's 4 players out of 150-plus picks. 5th round? Only 2 players in the past 5 years. In this league, you win with elite 1st and 2nd round talent, not 4th and 5th rounders.

As long as the team wins a Super Bowl does it really matter who makes the Pro Bowl? Half of the time it comes down to a popularity contest anyway and good players like Brandon Williams get overlooked. 

[ravensnj]

On 7/29/2016 at 4:30 PM, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Nobody is who we thought they were in practice. They are in pads but not tackling and guys who won't even be in the NFL is the level of competition some of these guys are facing. Even the pre season won't tell you too much unless a guy is just flat out messing up out there. Success has to be put in its proper perspective until these guys start playing real NFL games.

Negative, I saw Young play several times at Temple, he is who I know he is. To bad we didn't draft Temple LB Tyler Matakevich too.

[OzzieBisciotti]

I would sincerely hope that at least one of the ten fourth round picks we've had will be a starter. Literally, you'd think we'd at least get one decent player out of the ten that we drafted in the 4th round- only time will tell.

[GENE2407]

  On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 7:37 PM, GENE2407 said:

Sorry folks, all this trumped up talk about 4th round picks. Here's the reality: in the past 5 years, only FOUR players in the entire fourth round have made even one pro bowl. That's 4 players out of 150-plus picks. 5th round? Only 2 players in the past 5 years. In this league, you win with elite 1st and 2nd round talent, not 4th and 5th rounders.

As long as the team wins a Super Bowl does it really matter who makes the Pro Bowl? Half of the time it comes down to a popularity contest anyway and good players like Brandon Williams get overlooked. 

I'm not stressing the Pro Bowl thing as much as I am players who have great seasons. So let me rephrase: only 4 of the entire 4th round in the last 5 years has had a great season. Ozzie built 2 Super Bowls off of elite 1st round talent (the list is huge). We won because of the Ray Lewis' and Ed Reeds not the Bart Scotts and Jarret Johnsons. Can you hit on a 4th rounder? Yes, but the chances are extremely low.

[GENE2407]

I would sincerely hope that at least one of the ten fourth round picks we've had will be a starter. Literally, you'd think we'd at least get one decent player out of the ten that we drafted in the 4th round- only time will tell.

I posted the grim facts. Only four 4th round players and two 5th round players have even made a pro bowl in the last 5 years. That's a 1 in 40 chance for a 4th rounder and 1 in 80 chance of a 5th rounder becoming something close to special. Starter? That doesn't mean much............you could be upgrading a position from garbage to mediocre. You want all-pro's and playmakers. Hard to do in the 4th and 5th.

[Guest]

On ‎7‎/‎29‎/‎2016 at 2:21 PM, gregob56 said:

Would love to know if Joe is hitting the receivers in stride on the deep balls. Or, do they still have to come back for them? Over the past 2 yrs, I feel that he missed several opps for TDs b/c of the under thrown deep pass.

Yeah, no doubt about it.  To this point in camp his deep ball has an oscillation to it.  We'll see. Didn't notice it much in 2014 however...still remember T.Smith's non effort over a long ball vs New England.

Edited July 31, 2016 by Danny D

[January J]

On July 29, 2016 at 3:21 PM, gregob56 said:

Would love to know if Joe is hitting the receivers in stride on the deep balls. Or, do they still have to come back for them? Over the past 2 yrs, I feel that he missed several opps for TDs b/c of the under thrown deep pass.

Well last year he really never got the chance to build a rapport with his receivers. I partly Blame them over the years anyway and their route running. Torrey was arguably the best deep threat he ever had and he would always stutter step instead of just going after it. I think if perriman actually gets on the field he will have the speed to actually get to them deep balls in stride .

[fusuymada]

I never get too high or too low before training camp. Where people were trading away running backs and tight ends because we had so many now have to backtrack and take another look. As it looks right now with the injury issues at both positions we may have to add some running backs and tight ends to keep from burning out our starting players when preseason games start. I am most worried about tight end because we already had to move Daniel Brown in because we were short. With Gilmore's injury, that really really hurts as he was a blocking nightmare for other teams. Right now with just Watson, Pitta and Daniel Brown, I am not quite as comfortable with those guys helping Stanley and keeping Flacco on his feet.

[rossihunter2]

4 hours ago, fusuymada said:

I never get too high or too low before training camp. Where people were trading away running backs and tight ends because we had so many now have to backtrack and take another look. As it looks right now with the injury issues at both positions we may have to add some running backs and tight ends to keep from burning out our starting players when preseason games start. I am most worried about tight end because we already had to move Daniel Brown in because we were short. With Gilmore's injury, that really really hurts as he was a blocking nightmare for other teams. Right now with just Watson, Pitta and Daniel Brown, I am not quite as comfortable with those guys helping Stanley and keeping Flacco on his feet.

still got waller and boyle for the preseason i think