[News] News And Notes 7/28: Kenneth Dixon Tweaks Knee, Conditioning Test Updates

[BR News]

Lorenzo Taliaferro goes on PUP list. Mike Wallace and Jerraud Powers still have to pass conditioning test.

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[eze17]

Good to hear Jimmy Smith and Will Davis are fully participating in camp. I'm hoping for big things from our secondary this year. If they can continue where they left off from the second half of last year, plus the addition of Leslie Frazier(which I can not make clear enough how great a move that was) and the signing of veteran Eric Weddle, the secondary could end up being one of the Raven's biggest strengths this season. We definitely need to generate more turnovers, and i'm cautiously optimistic that we can see major improvement from this squad.

[fusuymada]

And we thought the backfield would be crowded and the competition heavy. As it stands now with Taliaferro on Pup, Dixon tweaking his knee, Richardson with a torn hammy, that just leaves West, Allen and Forsett. If this trend continues, we may need to bring in more guys to take reps. Funny how an overcrowded backfield empties so quickly. That alone should be a lesson to the players and coaches. With limited practice time now, if you don't come in to camp in shape and injure something, there may not be another chance to make the team. This CBA has got to change. In exchange for Goodell relinquishing control of discipline, the NFLPA needs to have its players under the control of the team like it used to be. Two a days, weeks of camp, that way if a guy gets injured he has a chance to heal and make it back. Now there just isn't enough time.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Alright, Wallace failed it again. Thought he was within a hair of passing it the first time so him not passing it again is curious. Third time is the charm?

[griffrb]

Back to football! News of interest now when I review the site here at work! Ravens - Let's stack days and work!

[bnyce52]

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

[757RavensFan]

13 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Alright, Wallace failed it again. Thought he was within a hair of passing it the first time so him not passing it again is curious. Third time is the charm?

Where does it say he failed it a 2nd time?  I think he only failed it once yesterday with Powers and Collins but they only mentioned his name yesterday.  

[harfordravenfan]

7 minutes ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

So, it harbs fault that Dixon ran into another player and got hurt? Smh

[757RavensFan]

3 minutes ago, harfordravenfan said:

So, it harbs fault that Dixon ran into another player and got hurt? Smh

They're supposed to practice in bubble wrap but Harbs refuses to use it.  Thought you knew this. 

[harfordravenfan]

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

They're supposed to practice in bubble wrap but Harbs refuses to use it.  Thought you knew this. 

I remember joking about bubble wrap suits last year, guess that damn harbs didn't get the message

[TheSim]

21 minutes ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Harbaugh, as good of a coach as he is, clearly doesn't like reporting anything close to the truth about injuries and worse, he clearly encourages players to rush back onto the field after an injury, making them more likely for future injuries. We have too many guys that come out of injuries and get injured within a few weeks trying to compensate for what's clearly not a healed injury.

[bnyce52]

  21 minutes ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

So, it harbs fault that Dixon ran into another player and got hurt? Smh

Not saying it's his fault or that the practices are too hard. If it shows up in December, it's all good. What I AM SAYING is that Harbaugh is awful at communicating injuries to reporters and he sets unreasonably lofty expectations which don't benefit the player at all since they then have to be the ones who "let down the fans" so to speak by not developing a rapport with the team and making a contribution (see Perriman 2015). I don't know why he has to downplay injuries. Like you said, they aren't his fault.

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, TheSim said:

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Harbaugh, as good of a coach as he is, clearly doesn't like reporting anything close to the truth about injuries and worse, he clearly encourages players to rush back onto the field after an injury, making them more likely for future injuries. We have too many guys that come out of injuries and get injured within a few weeks trying to compensate for what's clearly not a healed injury.

Just stop!  Players have to get cleared by doctors before getting back on the field.  Doesn't matter how much a player pleads to play, if he's not cleared he's not playing. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  35 minutes ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Alright, Wallace failed it again. Thought he was within a hair of passing it the first time so him not passing it again is curious. Third time is the charm?

Where does it say he failed it a 2nd time?  I think he only failed it once yesterday with Powers and Collins but they only mentioned his name yesterday.  

My mistake. I was thinking that this post since they mentioned Powers and Collins failing it means they ran it again. Funny how they wouldn't mention the other two yesterday then.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

We could do injuries like the New England Patriots and list everyone as day to day.

[harfordravenfan]

3 minutes ago, bnyce52 said:

Not saying it's his fault or that the practices are too hard. If it shows up in December, it's all good. What I AM SAYING is that Harbaugh is awful at communicating injuries to reporters and he sets unreasonably lofty expectations which don't benefit the player at all since they then have to be the ones who "let down the fans" so to speak by not developing a rapport with the team and making a contribution (see Perriman 2015). I don't know why he has to downplay injuries. Like you said, they aren't his fault.

No disagreement with ya there. Sometimes it's better to just say "I'm not a doctor & I'll let you know once the player is checked out"

[EdTheMythicalOne]

  7 minutes ago, TheSim said:

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Harbaugh, as good of a coach as he is, clearly doesn't like reporting anything close to the truth about injuries and worse, he clearly encourages players to rush back onto the field after an injury, making them more likely for future injuries. We have too many guys that come out of injuries and get injured within a few weeks trying to compensate for what's clearly not a healed injury.

Just stop!  Players have to get cleared by doctors before getting back on the field.  Doesn't matter how much a player pleads to play, if he's not cleared he's not playing. 

What about that game, I think it was a Ravens game, and now I can't remember who the opposing QB was that got absolutely rocked. He was laying on the ground for quite some time, holding his hands on his helmet, got up, looked like he had no idea where he was, then staggered back to the huddle and nobody came out to give him a concussion protocol? Now THAT is an issue.

I don't see too many teams in the NFL trying to rush players back onto the field. I am sure most teams and players want to get back out there as soon as they can for obvious reasons, but like 757RavensFan said, players have to be medically cleared to play. If they get rushed back, that's on the doctors.

[eze17]

  25 minutes ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Harbaugh, as good of a coach as he is, clearly doesn't like reporting anything close to the truth about injuries and worse, he clearly encourages players to rush back onto the field after an injury, making them more likely for future injuries. We have too many guys that come out of injuries and get injured within a few weeks trying to compensate for what's clearly not a healed injury.

I don't think there's a coach in the league that will tell the truth about injuries. That's just part of the game's strategy. Same for encouraging players to get back on the field as soon as possible. If your sitting on the bench nursing an injury and the guy who is out there playing in your place is looking crazy dominant, guess what? If your not a proven superstar, your looking at losing your job. Sad but true, the NFL is a show me what you got right now league, and if you can't keep pace you'll be out on the street. So of course players want to push themselves even if they know their risking a more serious injury. That's just part of the game. I don't think Harbaugh is any worse than most other coaches. And it's a fact that coaches who do a more "powderpuff practice" usually aren't the coaches that are taking their teams to the playoffs and winning games. Who would you rather have on your team: a bunch of battle tested warriors or some la-dee-da please don't be so rough in practice because I might get hurt hanger-ons?

[sami]

Good to hear Jimmy Smith and Will Davis are fully participating in camp. I'm hoping for big things from our secondary this year. If they can continue where they left off from the second half of last year, plus the addition of Leslie Frazier(which I can not make clear enough how great a move that was) and the signing of veteran Eric Weddle, the secondary could end up being one of the Raven's biggest strengths this season. We definitely need to generate more turnovers, and i'm cautiously optimistic that we can see major improvement from this squad.

I with ya, eze. The "take it away" mentality that Frazier has started installing in our secondary ( and has been picked up by the whole defense) I think will produce at LEAST double digit takeaways.

[Drew P]

Luke Jones tweeted Chris Moore looked impressive and hauled in a deep pass in one-on-one drills...who the hell is right?

[sami]

  1 hour ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

Thank you, I've been saying this for years. Harbaugh, as good of a coach as he is, clearly doesn't like reporting anything close to the truth about injuries and worse, he clearly encourages players to rush back onto the field after an injury, making them more likely for future injuries. We have too many guys that come out of injuries and get injured within a few weeks trying to compensate for what's clearly not a healed injury.

you are so wrong about this. Harbaugh is the head coach. He is not a medic or a doctor and can only go by what they tell him and how the player feels.

[sami]

I would love to know what the conditioning test for the WRs and DBs includes. I heard what the OL has to do and I tried it but came up a bit short.

[FloridalovesRavens]

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

So look to Adam Schaeffer from now on for injury info. Geez lol.

[cbrook1862]

All I really care about is Perriman and Dixon getting back on the practice field. Perriman quite simply needs to show he was worth our first pick, seeing as though he was really a second round talent who went in the first round because of his 40 time, he needs to prove he can play... period. Kenneth Dixon is said to be the second best rb in the rookie class behind Elliott, and I really want to see what he can do. As for everyone else, I'm not too concerned. Suggs and Smith will come back when ready, and Wallace and Powers will probably be back in the next couple of days

[Flamengo1265]

I think Harbaugh said the same thing about Perriman's knee last year on the first day of camp.

[blackandpurple20]

Hmm..Where have I heard this before? Harbaugh downplaying the extent of an injury in which he has zero qualification to make an educated judgement upon..and for those saying he is only relaying what the doctors are telling him..you're wrong. The doctors are not being as bold/assumptive as harbaugh makes it appear.

[TheConquerorWorm]

  4 hours ago, harfordravenfan said:

  4 hours ago, bnyce52 said:

I don't believe a single thing Harbs says about injuries anymore. He clearly doesn't respect the medical profession or just isn't interested in the reality of injury recovery time. I'd rather just hear directly from the training staff at this point. It's at the point where we have to get the facts from Adam Schefter, who reported that it's a grade 1 MCL sprain which is a 1 to 3 week recovery. So no Harbs, it won't be "maybe even tomorrow, we'll see". Just acknowledge that you expose the team to injury. Yea, we're well conditioned. That's very important. But in the process we're also not able to develop a lot of players or have them on game day because of PRACTICE. Just own it coach.

So, it harbs fault that Dixon ran into another player and got hurt? Smh

Not saying it's his fault or that the practices are too hard. If it shows up in December, it's all good. What I AM SAYING is that Harbaugh is awful at communicating injuries to reporters and he sets unreasonably lofty expectations which don't benefit the player at all since they then have to be the ones who "let down the fans" so to speak by not developing a rapport with the team and making a contribution (see Perriman 2015). I don't know why he has to downplay injuries. Like you said, they aren't his fault.

So you'd rather Harbaugh say, "I know we play the Steelers this week but Flacco has a small tear in his elbow. He will start the game but the injury will keep him from throwing the ball more than 20 yards down the field. We've adjusted our game plan to eliminate deep routes and will throw everything under 20 yards. This will continue to be the case for next week as well."

C'mon, get real.....Coachspeak is Coachspeak and if you rely on that, then I have some waterfront property in Florida to sell you..

[runcontrol]

Hmm..Where have I heard this before? Harbaugh downplaying the extent of an injury in which he has zero qualification to make an educated judgement upon..and for those saying he is only relaying what the doctors are telling him..you're wrong. The doctors are not being as bold/assumptive as harbaugh makes it appear.

Yeah, because the medical staff on the sidelines has never been wrong. Throughout the season we will hear coaches say one thing after a game and two days later we will hear how the injury is actually worse then what was originally reported. The same thing happened with Perriman during that practice and people won't shut up about it.

[billiejean]

who the heck is liz and why is she always hanging with frank

[cbrook1862]

I think Harbaugh said the same thing about Perriman's knee last year on the first day of camp.

so true!!!!!