If you HAD to replace....

[ravensdan]

1 hour ago, Danny D said:

Kubiak is set. He's not going anywhere. But I have this hunch you just may value him a bit more when this season has finished.

I'd be happy to revisit Kubiak after this year. He's got quite an extensive resume of mediocrity for all but one year of his head coaching career. You have to give him some credit for last year but I believe his extreme conservative coaching style hinders them more than benefits. And that will play itself out. 

[Tiznut]

7 minutes ago, ravensdan said:

I'd be happy to revisit Kubiak after this year. He's got quite an extensive resume of mediocrity for all but one year of his head coaching career. You have to give him some credit for last year but I believe his extreme conservative coaching style hinders them more than benefits. And that will play itself out. 

Dude took over a team that was in the afccg the yr before. I mean it was a 12-4 team that he turned into a 12-4 team. It was a team that scored 30ppg the yr before he took over.   Not to take too much from kubiak but it is foolish to give him all the praise for Denver. Hell it could turn out like gruden in Tampa....

[Ravensfan23]

I'd take Hue Jackson with Wade Phillips as my DC. I think much like Harbs, Hue would have a great working relationship with Ozzie, Eric and Steve, while getting max respect from his players and coaches. Also I think the fans would love him as well. 

[Tiznut]

38 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

I'd take Hue Jackson with Wade Phillips as my DC. I think much like Harbs, Hue would have a great working relationship with Ozzie, Eric and Steve, while getting max respect from his players and coaches. Also I think the fans would love him as well. 

Idk. I like hue but based on Oakland and the re-org in Cleveland I'm not sure his respect for Ozzie and decosta translate to him being a good member of the brain trust 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I watch them play. Their track record of success speaks for itself.

If you notice what board we are on, me "sticking up for them" is really just being objective and recognizing talent and hard work when I see it. It appears I'm "sticking up for them", mostly because the standard narrative on this website is "cheaters, all of them. They never won a game legitimately and they should all be banned from football forever", which reminds me of the logic my 3 year old uses when something doesn't go his way.

And yes, I'm aware that they deflated some footballs and spied on practices. I see the same things everybody else sees, but I try to take the emotion out of it and not let personal feelings cloud what my eyes see.

I personally hate bellichick and most ravens fans do for obvious reasons, we have really felt the sting from some of the patriots questionable tactics/favorable treatment, probably more than any team, but.... 

 

Nobody should pretend that the hoodie isn't far and away the best coach in the league and possibly of all time, easily top 5. I said Bruce over Bill because I simply don't like him and I'm a big Arians fan

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

I'd be happy to revisit Kubiak after this year. He's got quite an extensive resume of mediocrity for all but one year of his head coaching career. You have to give him some credit for last year but I believe his extreme conservative coaching style hinders them more than benefits. And that will play itself out. 

He made Matt schaub a perennial top 10 guy statistically. The Texans FO was whiffing on every single move when he was there. He was in Houston prior to jj watt setting the world on fire, they had an average defense and one of the most consistent balanced offenses in the league and he only had 2 great players in AJ and daniels, everyone else on that offense produced ONLY because of kubiaK(cough Arian foster) and Brian Cushing/Jonathan Joseph were the stars of the defense at that time. 

 

Kubiak is an excellent coordinator and a brilliant football mind, and His resume is not long enough considering the circumstances. Houston's front office was a total dumpster fire up until seemingly a few years ago

[The Raven]

I have to go with the hoodie. The production he gets out of mediocre players is crazy. Look at guys like Rob Ninkovich and Julian Edelman. They aren't world beaters. They aren't even close to that. But they're great role players and they get the job done. And both of those guys? Complete no names. Ninkovich was in the league for four years before getting his first sack as a member of the Patriots. Edelman was a seventh round pick. But they both developed and produced as Patriots.

Why?

Bill Belichick is the best scout, talent evaluator, and coach in the league. Nobody is better at finding roles for players to fill and then developing them to be complete players. Nobody can develop players the way he can. That whole team is an example of finding guys that just did their job. Their offense consists of a fortress offensive line, Brady, Gronk, and a bunch of role players. Their defense as a whole is just 11 role players that do their job. 

[RaineV1]

11 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Bruce Arians would be an awesome choice

I'll go with Arians too. I think the team would thrive under him.

[rmcjacket23]

13 hours ago, Danny D said:

Kubiak without question.

Having read the endorsement of Belichick here, it's sickening.  We can beat them with better decision making, there is no need to join them. 

Those believing he'd be the best choice, pull his Superbowl Week defense to cheating video regarding temperature and gas pressures.  This guy knew what was going on very early in the cheating.

No.

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, Danny D said:

Kubiak is set. He's not going anywhere. But I have this hunch you just may value him a bit more when this season has finished.

Or less, though I don't value him much now anyway (at least as a HC).

I'd encourage you to watch games more.

[rmcjacket23]

15 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I saw the premise and wondered why Bill wouldn't be excluded.

 

Outside of the Hooded One, it would be between Carroll, Arians or maybe Zimmer.

 

 

Ron is a good choice too, OP.

Carroll would be 2nd for me. Much longer track record of success than others. 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, Danny D said:

Kubiak is set. He's not going anywhere. But I have this hunch you just may value him a bit more when this season has finished.

So if Denvers good bc the defense smothers teams again all year, while the offense (what Kubiak is in charge of) remains average to slightly below... I guess we just give Kube's coach of the year and call it a day?

I think hes one of the best coordinators in the league - and probably the best designer of rushing offense currently doing it.... but I think he falls short as a HC. He needs a great DC to win in crunch time because his offenses dont have the quick, firepower to put up the points and win a game on its own.

And lets not act like he didnt take over the most talented team in the league top to bottom. 

But we'll see this year.

[trevorsteadman]

54 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

So if Denvers good bc the defense smothers teams again all year, while the offense (what Kubiak is in charge of) remains average to slightly below... I guess we just give Kube's coach of the year and call it a day?

I think hes one of the best coordinators in the league - and probably the best designer of rushing offense currently doing it.... but I think he falls short as a HC. He needs a great DC to win in crunch time because his offenses dont have the quick, firepower to put up the points and win a game on its own.

And lets not act like he didnt take over the most talented team in the league top to bottom. 

But we'll see this year.

As an offensive coordinator throughout his career his offenses have been very good. But I agree with you I feel like he will burnout and get fired after the 2017 season. That team scored so much more the year prior. His expertise is supposed to be running to open up the pass and they were one of the worst running teams all year. Their entire offense looked awful. Our offense with 4 different quarterbacks, without the starting running back, without half the offensive line, and going through a plethora of wide receivers and tight ends was higher in almost every category.

And they have two of the most talented receivers in the NFL, along with a solid offensive line for the past 5 seasons. Add in a quarterback who many argue is one of the best of all time (which I don't think that high of Peyton Manning and never really have). I don't care how old Manning was he isn't asked to throw that far in his offense and he still struggled mightily.

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

As an offensive coordinator throughout his career his offenses have been very good. But I agree with you I feel like he will burnout and get fired after the 2017 season. That team scored so much more the year prior. His expertise is supposed to be running to open up the pass and they were one of the worst running teams all year. Their entire offense looked awful. Our offense with 4 different quarterbacks, without the starting running back, without half the offensive line, and going through a plethora of wide receivers and tight ends was higher in almost every category.

And they have two of the most talented receivers in the NFL, along with a solid offensive line for the past 5 seasons. Add in a quarterback who many argue is one of the best of all time (which I don't think that high of Peyton Manning and never really have). I don't care how old Manning was he isn't asked to throw that far in his offense and he still struggled mightily.

He's gonna get 2-3 seasons for sure to prove himself after a SB win. He's certainly going to need to show much better on offense in order for that team to be any good. Can probably chalk up last seasons offensive production to "not having my guys", but those excuses are gone now.

[Daft Classic]

Where's the love for sexy Rexy Rex Ryan?

lol  jk but could you imagine that carnival

Edited July 28, 2016 by Daft Classic

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

More importantly who is Dan Pees? Is he Dean Pees' long lost brothers 

[berad]

15 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

More importantly who is Dan Pees? Is he Dean Pees' long lost brothers 

He's the guy who's really calling the plays. That's why it's never Deans' fault when the defense has a bad game.

Over John... idk who I'd want. Belichick is an effective option but comes with the baggage. Arians just seems cheesy and a little phony to me - Carroll, too - just my opinion and don't have anything over that to base it on. Tomlin would be decent, he's similar to Harbaugh although his team is less disciplined. Payton is weird.

I'll be boring and say McCarthy. Maybe even Andy Reid with his time management issues. Belichick would be ideal if he was ever a decent person.

Dan Pees ↓

[Jacquouille]

Jim Tomsula in a heartbeat.

[Steve0x]

1 minute ago, Jacquouille said:

Jim Tomsula in a heartbeat.

I agreee

[ravensdan]

21 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He made Matt schaub a perennial top 10 guy statistically. The Texans FO was whiffing on every single move when he was there. He was in Houston prior to jj watt setting the world on fire, they had an average defense and one of the most consistent balanced offenses in the league and he only had 2 great players in AJ and daniels, everyone else on that offense produced ONLY because of kubiaK(cough Arian foster) and Brian Cushing/Jonathan Joseph were the stars of the defense at that time. 

 

Kubiak is an excellent coordinator and a brilliant football mind, and His resume is not long enough considering the circumstances. Houston's front office was a total dumpster fire up until seemingly a few years ago

Those are all OC accolades. Completely different. And the later teams were building some good defenses as well. 

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Is Goldie Hawn still coaching the Wildcats?

I am gonna go ahead and put my vote in for Andy Reid.

He took over a 3-12 Eagles team and for the most part made them perennial winners.

He took over a 2-14 Chiefs team and so far has had a winning season for each of his three seasons there and took them to the playoffs.

He has yet to win the big game, but it is clear to me that he's got a pretty good handle on how to build a good team and keep them that way. As long as you have a winning team getting to the playoffs consistently, you've got a chance to get to a super bowl and win one. That's what I really want as a fan, to legitimately have a chance every year.

[JoeyFlex5]

22 hours ago, ravensdan said:

Those are all OC accolades. Completely different. And the later teams were building some good defenses as well. 

He was the HC in Houston and the team was a disaster and he still produced strong offenses. The good defenses didn't come until I believe his last 2 years where he had 2 straight playoff appearances and one win with tj Yates at qb. Kubiaks track record as a head coach seriously isn't indicative because of the horrible decision making by Houston in his time there, the FO started making good decisions near the end of his tenure where he "magically" turned them into a contender and then when they shipped him out they immediately turned back into a train wreck even though the roster was overall Much stronger. 

One could argue that the only successful seasons the Texans have ever had were a direct result of kubiak and nobody else.

[ravensdan]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He was the HC in Houston and the team was a disaster and he still produced strong offenses. The good defenses didn't come until I believe his last 2 years where he had 2 straight playoff appearances and one win with tj Yates at qb. Kubiaks track record as a head coach seriously isn't indicative because of the horrible decision making by Houston in his time there, the FO started making good decisions near the end of his tenure where he "magically" turned them into a contender and then when they shipped him out they immediately turned back into a train wreck even though the roster was overall Much stronger. 

One could argue that the only successful seasons the Texans have ever had were a direct result of kubiak and nobody else.

Here's a list of just the pro bowlers from the 2012 team (best under Kubiak). 

• QB Matt Schaub
• RB Arian Foster
• WR Andre Johnson
• TE Owen Daniels
• OT Duane Brown
• OG Wade Smith
• C Chris Myers
• DE J. J. Watt
• CB Johnathan Joseph

id say that's a talented core and Kubiaks conservative coaching style held them back from doing damage in the playoffs. The opposite of great coaches like Belichick, Harbaugh and Arians do. If it weren't for the even more conservative Bengals team Kubiak would have no playoff victories in Houston. 

[wizard1]

I actually think Pee Wee Herman might be an upgrade based on the way we played last year.  Did someone say Billick? I got an idea -- lets see if Mike Ditka wants to shake it off ! That's the kind of mentality we need in Baltimore. Everybody say yeah yeah  ! Fuggettaboutit

[rayven98]

It leaves an incredible nasty taste in my mouth but it has to be the hoodie.  After that definitely arians and mike zimmer.  I think zimmer would fit the Baltimore culture extremely well.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, ravensdan said:

Here's a list of just the pro bowlers from the 2012 team (best under Kubiak). 

• QB Matt Schaub
• RB Arian Foster
• WR Andre Johnson
• TE Owen Daniels
• OT Duane Brown
• OG Wade Smith
• C Chris Myers
• DE J. J. Watt
• CB Johnathan Joseph

id say that's a talented core and Kubiaks conservative coaching style held them back from doing damage in the playoffs. The opposite of great coaches like Belichick, Harbaugh and Arians do. If it weren't for the even more conservative Bengals team Kubiak would have no playoff victories in Houston. 

schaub is a bum and always has been, he worked well in kubes system, as do most qbs. foster was the most overrated back of his time and without a kubiak offense he may have never seen a 20 carry game. AJ, daniels, brown, myers, watt, and joseph, ya got me there, but i also mentioned a few of them already as core guys, along with cush, but you also have to remember that watt wasnt THE JJ WATT until kubiaks final 2 years, wade smith is nothing special.

almost all teams have a core, its the supporting cast, depth, and system that makes a difference, houston had a very weak supporting cast overall for most of kubiaks tenure, and the difference maker for houston was the system, thats what made them competitive with a solid core and weak overall roster. look at a team like oakland, or jacksonville, or tennessee, they have an excellent core, but they lack the strong supporting cast and lack an identity as a cohesive unit, thats why they can compete and put up numbers but arent getting anywhere. kubiak had the same situation in houston, that front office could not build a well rounded team to save their lives and kubiak got lemons and made lemonade until the FO needed a scapegoat.

[Maryland]

On 7/27/2016 at 2:28 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Literally dozens of reasons. Hard work, maximizing talent (I said this already), drafting and developing great talent, lengthy study of your opponents, etc.

I get what the reference was for, and it was cute, but its naive.

After a good first draft with McCourty and Gronkowski, Belichick has really done an average job of drafting, perhaps even below average. His coaching ability cannot be questioned for its effectiveness, but his job as a GM can be, whether it's drafting QBs too high for whatever reason, overlooking obvious character and/or injury concerns, or just reaching in mid to late rounds because his draft board got wiped out, as was the case the last two drafts. 

[Tank 92]

On July 27, 2016 at 8:47 PM, K-Dog said:

I am sure I can speak for ALL those who said Belichick, and that would be without all the cheating.

( and super lame post game pressers. )

 

Problem there is we don't know the true extent of the cheating and how his teams would have performed without that help. I think it's pretty much a guarantee that the instances where they've been caught are not isolated and there are many transgressions that will never be known. 

[Tiznut]

56 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Problem there is we don't know the true extent of the cheating and how his teams would have performed without that help. I think it's pretty much a guarantee that the instances where they've been caught are not isolated and there are many transgressions that will never be known. 

Honestly how many here would really care that others view the Ravens as cheaters?

There are Niners fans who whine and complain about the 2012 sb. Do you really care or do you dismiss it as them upset because the Ravens won?

[Tank 92]

3 hours ago, Tiznut said:

Honestly how many here would really care that others view the Ravens as cheaters?

There are Niners fans who whine and complain about the 2012 sb. Do you really care or do you dismiss it as them upset because the Ravens won?

Wut?  How is it that the Ravens cheated to win 2012 SB?