Updated: Ravens not signing OT Jake Long

[BmoreBird22]

2 hours ago, Danny D said:

Now he had a weight problem, but he was working on it. Anyone here a little pudgy?  A little soft around the middle?  When you're working at it is it fair for folks to call you a lazy fatso?  I don't think so.

Weighing over 400 pounds is being "a little pudgy"?

[BmoreBird22]

20 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Wallace failing his conditioning test doesn't worry me. Lots of guys have failed it in the past simply by not knowing what the test is all about. And it usually happens to guys that are new with the team.

Wallace hit five of the six benchmarks, so I'd hardly be worried. Probably didn't know how to pace himself.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

 

Idk man. I think it's hilarious that he keeps complaining about us jettisoning off our veterans yet that wasn't the downfall of our team during that season. Not to mention Mckinnie was terrible.

We got SSR the year after and he's better than Boldin was. This was before Steve smith got hurt. 

 

Ed Reed was horrible the next season after. 

 

Bryant Mckinnie was terrible for the Dolphins and hasn't been resigned since nor will he(Monroe was infinently better even though e did get hurt). He was so bad that the Dolphins gave Brandon Albert all that money.  Why you keep preaching that we messed up there is hilarious. That oline was a disaster because Micheal Oher was a turnstile and Gino Gradkowski was/is horrible. When you have a bad center it usually messes the whole thing up. 

Pollard had a good year, then got hurt, and hasn't played since. Whom btw. We haven't missed since Ihedigbo was good for us, Will Hill was good for us and better than Pollard was, and Eric Weddle is a better player than Pollard ever was. Even at his older age.

 

Pertaining to Jake Long. 

So you're criticizing the Ravens for not giving the man a physical before we cut Monroe, whom was slated to be backup anyway by the looks of it. That's a big time reach. First off, as I've said previously we've been in contact with him for months. Getting rid of him was part of the plan. We clearly have had this in mind. Second off if/when Long does pass the physical, he's here to stay. Be a mentor figure and can play in a pinch. A brilliant move if you ask me.

 

But sure. Fire Ozzie!

Edited July 29, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

5 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Weighing over 400 pounds is being "a little pudgy"?

No. But keeping the 34 year old and rapidly declining LT was clearly a better idea than trading for the younger LT who had a reputation of playing at a reasonably high level each season prior.

 

Just like how not cutting a player who inevitably retired was dumber than bringing in a backup who wants to play football, and was willing to mentor the young gun. Jake Long signing = bust

[The Raven]

2 hours ago, Danny D said:

Let's revisit that year.

McKinnie started 5 games for us and we went 3-2 in those games.  (Someone fact check me here, I can get a little foggy with the memory.)  McKinnie was a value player. I mean we were getting him for a song, especially compared to Monroe.  I believe he was 33 years old. Now he had a weight problem, but he was working on it. Anyone here a little pudgy?  A little soft around the middle?  When you're working at it is it fair for folks to call you a lazy fatso?  I don't think so.

Did you just compare health expectations of a professional ATHLETE to a common person? You really are thick aren't you?

If my job was to be in shape you bet your butt I'd be in flippin shape. Stop making excuses for the lazy and inadequate. How can you - as someone who allegedly has a brain - excuse a lazy bum like McKinnie for being out of shape but put Ozzie in a negative light for talking slow?

Edited July 29, 2016 by The Raven

[Guest]

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

2 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

To repeat rmw10... 

But we've been in contact with him since March. But you know... Facts

 

lol....you really are kidding

Lets begin by noting that you are reiterating someone else's position and that you have a supporter immediately following your post.  That's 3 if i'm not mistaken.

That post you responded to is filled with nothing but seasonal and established records and facts. But what is really comical is that it did not contain content questioning why we cut Monroe.  It merely illustrates that Monroe was a mistake and that we exacerbated the problem by not having a healthy replacement lined up.

However, since you want to challenge facts... I suggest you start with your own defense.  Because what you and your co-conspirators offer in response is a rumor, hearsay, that we were talking to a recovering man in March that we didn't even ask to take a physical until after we had cut a man and were in a pinch.  Bring forward your witness and let's question him under oath because as of now you have nothing..........and not just in this argument.  Of course to understand that you'd have to know the precise definition of hearsay.

Now, if at some point in the future you are able to establish your  "fact" ...knowing that you can't do so with hearsay...(hearsay like that suggesting Stanley was at the  "top of the Oz board"), you have some more questions to ask.  Would you like a hint at what the first one is? 

Come on Jake Long.........pass that physical our Front Office really, really needs you!

I'm going to comment on the cuts in regard to Newsome's mistakes, if any. (He doesn't have that many talented players to make errors with.)  Gonna give Newsome a break on the Pre Season and draw no conclusions on those games where second team will be facing second team for the most part.  Maybe a "oh my" if warranted.  But come the season opener, have your Football Helmets on and tightly fastened because..... Let's Get Ready to  RUMMMMMMBLE!

 

Edited July 29, 2016 by Danny D

[trevorsteadman]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Wallace hit five of the six benchmarks, so I'd hardly be worried. Probably didn't know how to pace himself.

I think the people at Bleacher Report did this right in a video they had earlier. They predicted that Wallace would have the best year of his career here in Baltimore because he fits the offense so well. They also said that the failed conditioning test means little to nothing.

The way they described it is you do not have the Cheetahs run the same drills as the Rhinos. Mike Wallace is a Cheetah and all the Ravens are going to do is tel him to run down the field as fast as he can and as far as he can, even if that means he is in the endzone of FedEx Field. Him participating in the same drills as linebackers, defensive linemen, and every position of the NFL is a joke and always has been. 

The only thing we need of Mike Wallace is for him to be in shape enough to run 40-50 yards downfield then take a 40 second break between snaps to do it again. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

28 minutes ago, Danny D said:

lol....you really are kidding

Lets begin by noting that you are reiterating someone else's position and that you have a supporter immediately following your post.  That's 3 if i'm not mistaken.

That post you responded to is filled with nothing but seasonal and established records and facts. But what is really comical is that it did not contain content questioning why we cut Monroe.  It merely illustrates that Monroe was a mistake and that we exacerbated the problem by not having a healthy replacement lined up.

However, since you want to challenge facts... I suggest you start with your own defense.  Because what you and your co-conspirators offer in response is a rumor, hearsay, that we were talking to a recovering man in March that we didn't even ask to take a physical until after we had cut a man and were in a pinch.  Bring forward your witness and let's question him under oath because as of now you have nothing..........and not just in this argument.  Of course to understand that you'd have to know the precise definition of hearsay.

Now, if at some point in the future you are able to establish your  "fact" ...knowing that you can't do so with hearsay...(hearsay like that suggesting Stanley was at the  "top of the Oz board"), you have some more questions to ask.  Would you like a hint at what the first one is? 

Come on Jake Long.........pass that physical our Front Office really, really needs you!

I'm going to comment on the cuts in regard to Newsome's mistakes, if any. (He doesn't have that many talented players to make errors with.)  Gonna give Newsome a break on the Pre Season and draw no conclusions on those games where second team will be facing second team for the most part.  Maybe a "oh my" if warranted.  But come the season opener. Have your Football Helmets on and tightly fastened because..... Let's Get Ready to  RUMMMMMMBLE!

 

I was reiterating his point because it was necessary to do so..  Even if it's a rumor it's a very plausible and likely one. It would make a ton of sense if we had been in contact with Long before the season started. And let me explain why.

 

1. Even if we don't draft Stanley and decide to continue playing Monroe at LT.. Why in the hell would we want James Hurst as our backup?

2. Ozzie likely knew that Ramsey was to be gone. And regardless of your bogus claims on Tunsil's bong video(calling the video BS is hilarious within itself), it was very likely that we were going to draft a LT anyway. Meaning Monroe was likely to be gone. So we wanted to get a mentor for our eventual rookie LT. 

 

Yes.. Monroe was a mistake. But holding onto your Mckinnie would have been a bigger one.. He was 34, and hasn't played a season since. What would have you have wanted us to do from there on out? We'd be screwed at LT. At least when Monroe actually played he was good. If Ozzie had known that Monroe was going to be injured as often as he was, would we have traded for him? No. But sadly Ozzie isn't capable of predicting the future. If he was he sure as hell wouldn't be a general  manager but would have won 2-3 mega millions jackpots by now. But sure.. Keep trying to push your "Mckinnie was better" argument. Especially when Monroe was a very good player before he got here and became injury prone. 

You have facts about the oline under Monroe but as you mentioned Osemele was hurt. Not to mention we still had Oher on that line and Gino Gradkowski on that line, along with a brand new LT who wasn't very familiar with the scheme we were playing in.. Sounds like a recipie for success. Yet you also hilariously ignore the fact that during 2014 Monroe was healthy for his share of games, and we had one of the best offensive lines in the entirity of the NFL. We got tired of him getting hurt all the time. The Raven thinks he was soft, but the reality is he was an average to slightly above average LT in his time here when he did play(you know.. Better than Bryant. Who got destroyed in Miami and hasn't been signed since). 

 

You are really reaching. You decide to preach that my defense is horrible but where is yours? Here is mine.

1. Co-conspirators? We aren't the ones talking about running Ozzie out of town. We have no control over this team(and thank god the fans don't run it).

2. There is a very strong possibility that we were holding out hope for say an Alex Lewis, aka the future backup at LT, to assume backup duties immediantly after we drafted him(most of us could see the Monroe cut coming from a mile away.. Though we did hope for a trade instead). Either that or they thought that they did have a shot at retaining Monroe/restructuring his contract. 

3. So what you were suggesting is signing Long before cutting Monroe correct?  Did you ever stop to think of the possibility that we didn't want Long to be participating in some of the other activities (OTAs for example) for fear that he'd get hurt again. And/or he was in process of recovering during this time period and he wanted to heal up again before signing a contract? None of it is confirmed, but to be honest I do not have an issue. There's still plenty of time before the regular season starts. This signing was only logical. If he doesn't pass the physical (which I doubt he won't btw.. He was cleared to play for the Falcons last year and the physical is not the same as the conditioning test. If you want the answers as to the difference http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_criteria_for_passing_an_NFL_physical which is straight from the CBA itself) there are other options that would be good mentor figures out there such as Will Beatty out on the market. Now, obviously we would prefer Long, for the sake of the name puns and the fact that he was a better LT. But Beatty>Hurst by miles.

 

You want to nitpick fine.. But there's a very likely plan C that would work just as well. 

[757RavensFan]

All that aside, any word on Jake Long's status? It really shouldn't take that long.

[BmoreBird22]

For all those curious, the Baltimore Sun reported that the Ravens and Long had talked for a while, dating back to March

[757RavensFan]

31 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

For all those curious, the Baltimore Sun reported that the Ravens and Long had talked for a while, dating back to March

I think only ONE person is ignoring this piece of news. 

[rmw10]

6 hours ago, Danny D said:

lol....you really are kidding

Lets begin by noting that you are reiterating someone else's position and that you have a supporter immediately following your post.  That's 3 if i'm not mistaken.

That post you responded to is filled with nothing but seasonal and established records and facts. But what is really comical is that it did not contain content questioning why we cut Monroe.  It merely illustrates that Monroe was a mistake and that we exacerbated the problem by not having a healthy replacement lined up.

However, since you want to challenge facts... I suggest you start with your own defense.  Because what you and your co-conspirators offer in response is a rumor, hearsay, that we were talking to a recovering man in March that we didn't even ask to take a physical until after we had cut a man and were in a pinch.  Bring forward your witness and let's question him under oath because as of now you have nothing..........and not just in this argument.  Of course to understand that you'd have to know the precise definition of hearsay.

Now, if at some point in the future you are able to establish your  "fact" ...knowing that you can't do so with hearsay...(hearsay like that suggesting Stanley was at the  "top of the Oz board"), you have some more questions to ask.  Would you like a hint at what the first one is? 

Come on Jake Long.........pass that physical our Front Office really, really needs you!

I'm going to comment on the cuts in regard to Newsome's mistakes, if any. (He doesn't have that many talented players to make errors with.)  Gonna give Newsome a break on the Pre Season and draw no conclusions on those games where second team will be facing second team for the most part.  Maybe a "oh my" if warranted.  But come the season opener, have your Football Helmets on and tightly fastened because..... Let's Get Ready to  RUMMMMMMBLE!

 

Feel free to tweet Jeff Zrebiec and Sam Njoku who both said this, but okay... it's only hearsay.  Whatever you say goes, man.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, Danny D said:

Let's revisit that year.

McKinnie started 5 games for us and we went 3-2 in those games.  (Someone fact check me here, I can get a little foggy with the memory.)  McKinnie was a value player. I mean we were getting him for a song, especially compared to Monroe.  I believe he was 33 years old. Now he had a weight problem, but he was working on it. Anyone here a little pudgy?  A little soft around the middle?  When you're working at it is it fair for folks to call you a lazy fatso?  I don't think so.

Anyway, in his 5 games the Raven's allowed 14 sacks.  That's a heckuva lot of sacks and the folks here called McKinnie a Lazy Fatso and said he was the reason our team was playing poorly.  I stood up for McKinnie. Yes I did, now that was 2013 and my profile says I've been a member since 2014. But think back to the guy that exclaimed it was foolish to sign Monroe to big money when McKinnie was more than adequate.  Think back to the guy that was saying take the PFF stats and file them where they belong.  Think back to the guy that said, Monroes objective stats were no better.

Remember something else about McKinnie?  He became a starter in 2012 heading into the playoffs. I forget who we removed from Left Tackle. I'm sure the real fans here can let us know.  McKinnie played great in the Championship run, but like the other veterans that helped bring us that Championship, McKinnie was scuttled...in his case for Monroe.  I didn't like that. I still don't and I believe it speaks volumes about the direction we have been heading since the Championship.

Now  on to Monroe.........He started 11 games for us in 2013 and we went 5-6.  Of course, we sucked. Ray Rice had a bad leg and couldn't get out of his own way. We were missing Boldin and we had other injuries including Osemele.  Hmmmm.......Osemele?..........hmmmmm.  Nahhhhhhhhhh!!!  GO PURPLE!!!  Anyway, I digress....but we did let in 34 sacks in Monroes 11 games.  And from that year forward....Monroe played less didn't he?...Didn't he?????.........DIDN"T HE?

So this year we signed a rookie and cut Monroe. Actually we cut him before we were sure we had a backup plan...you know, an insurance policy. But we have one now don't we?  We got us security!!!!.......we got us Jake Long and all he has to do is pass his physical.  Hmmmmmmmmm..........I don't know........maybe its' just me, but I think I'd ask Long to take that physical before I cut Monroe.  I know...I know.....you just gotta have the faith.

Good Luck Jake, we are gonna need it.

Dont even know where youre trying to go or what youre trying to prove with McKinnie.

He stayed out of shape (he wasnt trying to get in shape either). Yea he returned for the playoffs (replacing Oher btw who switched back to RT at that point) and played great - if not for the change i dont think we win the SB... but he was able to play great in that short stretch bc he was so well rested. He didnt have to do anything the rest of the year. So, yea he couldve been held on to and been effective in that sort of role - our playoff LT. But, the more he played the more he wore down and his play declined. He became a weakness down the stretch in 2011 and was replaced for that reason (aside from not reporting, and after the fact saying that he didnt show up bc he slipped in his bathroom and injured himself).

That wasnt a FO decision - he put himself there. If he's injured he cant play, plain and simple. And, if you just hand positions to guys who clearly dont care, dont show up, and make their own rules you set a pretty bad precedent. Plus, he was only a really good player in short bursts at that point in his career, evidenced by the fact that he didnt play another game after 2013. 

We needed a tackle of the future. Why stick with an aging, declining player who wasnt bought in and was lacking a desire to play anymore? The team in 2013 was clearly in transition and it was the right decision to turn an eye toward the future. In steps Monroe, who with the available information was among the best available. He played decently in 2013. He did allow 6.5 sacks, but come on - that line featured Gino Gradkowski calling out the protections (which eventually Yanda had to take over bc Gino was so horried) and AQ Shipley at LG. Monroe was left completely on an island with no inside help whatsoever, and poor communication.

OL's are a unit. Tough to grade the individuals since so much relies on communication, organization, and the man lined up next to you. When 2 of the 5 pieces on the line shouldnt be in the NFL, its tough for anyone to shine. For example, if you want to call out Monroe for the pressure he gave up (6.5 sacks), Yanda gave up 4 sacks himself.... and we know hes the best guard in football - but not even he could withstand the deadweight anchors of Gino and AQ.

 

Further, its easy to say they shouldnt have traded for Monroe. KO was still very green and injured. McKinnie had one foot in retirement and two hands on a quarter pounder with cheese, Oher had proven not to be a LT was in the last year of his contract and actually gave up 10 sacks that 2013 season, and youre in a position of having to start GG and AQ. Monroe was a young, talented player who could be had cheap since Jax had just drafted his replacement. For the price and potential upside it was a worth while move.

In the 2014 offseason there were several big name tackles on the market - Brandon Albert, Veldheer, Saffold, Oher, and Monroe - and most had Monroe as the best available or at least 2nd. Albert and Veldheer were the first to go and got big contracts. The Ravens signed Monroe to the, I believe, 4th highest LT contract during THAT FA PERIOD. It was a relative bargain in comparison. And again it was a position that needed filling. And with Zuttah brought in and a healthy KO there was ample reason to believe that the line overall, and Monroe's individual play in particular would only improve.

And he did. In 11 games (the same amount he played for the Ravens in '13... which isnt less.. right?, Right?? RIGHT????) only gave up 3 sacks. Played very well on the field, and our strong OL propelled a near league-leading run game deep into the playoffs. He had only missed I believe 3 games in his career up til the '14 season, so there was no reason to believe it would turn into a chronic issue.

Of course it did in '15, and it became clear after that season he was losing his interest in football. Call it hearsay if you want, but he was an employee of the Ravens. Im sure they were in contact with him and knew a lot more about the situation than you. The media guys talk to people in the organization - thats what they report on.... so, they got the info from somewhere that we started talking to Long in March...

And EVERY outlet was reporting that LT was our biggest need bc Monroe was likely going to be let go. Why would everyone and their mother be reporting that unless either A) sources in the ravens organization were telling people that that was the plan, B ) Monroe himself was telling people the Ravens had told him they were moving on or C) both. 

 

Regardless of what you want to say - that you called Monroe being a mistake - you were wrong. When he was on the field he did play well, and theres no way you or anyone else could have foreseen the injuries. There was 0 indication from his history that injuries would be an issue. And since there wasnt anything on that front to take into account when trading for and signing him, all that could be evaluated was his play and they got a very good play (who played pretty well here also in the games he was on the field) for a relative bargain. 

If not for the injuries you'd have cake on your face in not wanting Monroe. This is my point - you guys want credit for this stuff, but you didnt want him bc you thought he was a bad player. Your reasoning was wrong, but you got bailed out by some happenstance and want to take credit for it. Fine, take it... but thats like a 5 year old getting a little plastic badge from the police sheriff -- i know its exciting, but you havent actually been deputized.

 

And what you;re suggesting the Ravens should have done is kept Monroe for LT depth. Ok, and then when Monroe decides to retire just before TC and all the LT options on the market have dried up - youd be the first one bashing the FO for sticking with Monroe after proving he was unreliable and not focused on football. Clearly his passions lay elsewhere and he had given the team indications that he was considering retirement (why do you think they couldnt get a trade done with the Giants.... we cut him, so they would have taken anything... ANYTHING. A conditional 7th even. A bag of balls. It didnt get done bc Monroe wouldnt commit to playing); so the Ravens did the right thing and moved on while there was still time to implement their plan B, which they had been doing their due diligence on since March.

 

This is their job. Theyre in it 24/7. We as fans hear maybe 1/1,000,000th of what actually goes on behind the scenes. And you think just bc you didnt know about it at the time that it didnt happen? Thats ridiculous. The media probably only gets slightly more info than us. Your stance that bc we didnt know at the time about Long that its hearsay is a feeble effort on your part to hang on to your last hope of having a credible position.

Teams dont bring guys in to potentially sign them on the drop of a dime. They vet things out painstakingly. If they hadnt been in communication with, and doing their homework on Long for quite some time, he wouldnt be here yet taking a physical. You can say all day that its "hearsay" since there isnt an article on it (even though theres one on this site, yesterdays LFW article, and 2 other highly respected Baltimore sports journalists have reported it as well) but its common sense. In a billion dollar business where so much can ride on every single personnel decision made, every single day of practice, every single dollar spent toward the cap.... no decision is made without hundreds of hours of homework.

If you think otherwise - i dont know what to tell you. Maybe you dont have a job, or youre just not that good at it. But when the health and success of your organization is largely impacted by a decision you dont fly by the seat of your pants. Even if you think Ozzies bad at his job, if you think he doesnt take it seriously and put the time in - youre seriously delusional and just grasping at straws.

[JO_75]

Jake Long is still a free agent and has not signed with the Ravens. Adam Schefter says Long declined to sign an injury waiver with us. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Jake Long is still a free agent and has not signed with the Ravens. Adam Schefter says Long declined to sign an injury waiver with us. 

Said he passed his physical though. Will Beatty is probably going to be brought in. Not to happy about this, but not Ozzie's fault like someone here will claim. 

[Moderator 3]

8 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

Jake Long is still a free agent and has not signed with the Ravens. Adam Schefter says Long declined to sign an injury waiver with us. 

Well poop.

[trevorsteadman]

Good move by the front office. If Long wasn't comfortable enough to sign the injury waiver that means it was best to look elsewhere. We don't want another Monroe that is injured 3/4 of the season and getting paid.

[JO_75]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Said he passed his physical though. Will Beatty is probably going to be brought in. Not to happy about this, but not Ozzie's fault like someone here will claim. 

Yeah he's healthy so it makes me wonder if now that he knows he is healthy he is going to wait it out for a starting job to open up somewhere else.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Just now, JO_75 said:

Yeah he's healthy so it makes me wonder if now that he knows he is healthy he is going to wait it out for a starting job to open up somewhere else.

He's not the same player he used to be.... But what he'll likely do is wait it out for someone else to get injured. 

 

Just now, trevorsteadman said:

Good move by the front office. If Long wasn't comfortable enough to sign the injury waiver that means it was best to look elsewhere. We don't want another Monroe that is injured 3/4 of the season and getting paid.

I agree actually. If he was hesitant he himself probably thinks he'd be getting hurt. We don't need another guy on the team that constantly gets injured which Long does anyway. If the unthinkable happens and both Stanley and Long go down we might have to resort to *gasp* James Hurst again. 

 

I'm not too happy about this because the real value here came from Stanley having a mentor. More or less signing another coach to help him out(even though he's got a damn good one in Castillo). Even though having the injury waiver was totally necessary.  But I'm sure we'll be hearing from someone who will say that this is why Ozzie needs to be fired. Even though Long is the one who declined to sign the contract. 

[JimmyBlack]

15 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Weighing over 400 pounds is being "a little pudgy"?

Jake "Refrigerator" Long will be featured in 3 tight end packages in the red zone for someone else this season.

Edited July 29, 2016 by JimmyBlack

[Tiznut]

4 minutes ago, JimmyBlack said:

Jake "Refrigerator" Long will be featured in 3 tight end packages on in the red zone.

Don't believe the comment you quoted was jake long related 

[rmw10]

Well that's pretty disappointing. I guess I'd have to take a look at Will Beatty now. 

[JimmyBlack]

The Ravens are better off sticking with the younger players and signing Aiken and Williams to contract extensions with the money saved.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 minutes ago, JimmyBlack said:

The Ravens are better off sticking with the younger players and signing Aiken and Williams to contract extensions with the money saved.

That vet min we're saving isnt helping to sign anyone long term.

[JoeyFlex5]

Fire Ozzie

[Drew P]

Well Hurst is safe again

[usmccharles]

Must be the FOs fault

[wizard1]

Jeez Louise, first you guys are singing the praises of Jake Long and the next minute you are saying we are better off without him and we don't need him and any other kind of whatevers. I said in my post that the guy wasn't worth a plug nickle and I stand by that. You all make it quite hilarious to peruse this board  and it makes for some good belly laughs. Thanks to all !!!!

[trevorsteadman]

4 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Jeez Louise, first you guys are singing the praises of Jake Long and the next minute you are saying we are better off without him and we don't need him and any other kind of whatevers. I said in my post that the guy wasn't worth a plug nickle and I stand by that. You all make it quite hilarious to peruse this board  and it makes for some good belly laughs. Thanks to all !!!!

I thought it was a good move before more information came out about his knee health updates, and I still believe he would have been.

Problem is the knee was worse than initially thought. So why spend money on a guy that will not sign an injury waiver after information came out about his knee? He was an upgrade over Hurst if healthy. 

[flynismo]

Welp, this should land Long in Harbs' doghouse for sure