Updated: Ravens not signing OT Jake Long

[JoeyFlex5]

Great move. I was so worried about not having a backup to a rookie, I now have zero qualms with the Monroe release. The slam dunk off-season continues.

[Ravensfan23]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Great move. I was so worried about not having a backup to a rookie, I now have zero qualms with the Monroe release. The slam dunk off-season continues.

Wait, so you had concerns about relying and a rookie LT and a not so good young backup going into the season, but instead of bashing the FO as if the final roster was completed you waited to see how things would play out?......Are you sure that you're a Ravens fan?

[wizard1]

Well we really hit the jackpot with Jake Long. Not only did we bring in a guy with one bad leg but but we made sure he has an extra bad leg to top it off. And for good measure we made sure he hasn't played football in almost 2 years! Exactly what our O-Line needs.

[jazz1988]

3 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I've been waiting a long time for this

 What a Long time coming.

Edited July 26, 2016 by jazz1988

[berad]

35 minutes ago, wizard1 said:

Well we really hit the jackpot with Jake Long. Not only did we bring in a guy with one bad leg but but we made sure he has an extra bad leg to top it off. And for good measure we made sure he hasn't played football in almost 2 years! Exactly what our O-Line needs.

If only we had someone rock solid like Eugene Monroe, right? This seems too contrived...

[JoeyFlex5]

55 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Wait, so you had concerns about relying and a rookie LT and a not so good young backup going into the season, but instead of bashing the FO as if the final roster was completed you waited to see how things would play out?......Are you sure that you're a Ravens fan?

Since you put it that way... I might need to double check.

[rmw10]

Apparently we had been in contact with Long on and off since March, so once again, don't doubt that there is a plan in place.

[The Raven]

1 hour ago, wizard1 said:

Well we really hit the jackpot with Jake Long. Not only did we bring in a guy with one bad leg but but we made sure he has an extra bad leg to top it off. And for good measure we made sure he hasn't played football in almost 2 years! Exactly what our O-Line needs.

Yeah, we should have signed the other cheap free agent LT with starting experience.

Edited July 27, 2016 by The Raven

[Edgar]

I get the Hurst bashing to an extent but I'm a tired of it. The guy played a bunch of games, including two playoff games as a rookie because Monroe was a flat out bust who couldn't last one series in a season opener. 

At least Hurst has desire. Something Monroe does and did not.

 

[Ravensfan23]

1 minute ago, Edgar said:

I get the Hurst bashing to an extent but I'm a tired of it. The guy played a bunch of games, including two playoff games as a rookie because Monroe was a flat out bust who couldn't last one series in a season opener. 

At least Hurst has desire. Something Monroe does and did not.

 

AQ Shipley played a lot of games for this teams as well. I love the fact that Hurst stepped up to the plate when asked, but you have to make upgrades to your teams constantly to be competitive. Monroe was cut for a reason and the Ravens added a potential quality backup OT for a reason. They feel they needed an upgrade and Long provides it. Hurst will still be given every opportunity to compete and if he outshines Long i'm sure the Ravens will stick with him. But despite his availability he hasn't really played well at LT.  

[Guest]

Support the Jake Long signing.

Personally, I believe the Front Office had days to look close at their knee jerk handling of the Monroe situation and finally realized.......Opps!!!  we left our Rook isolated on the blind side with no veteran support cuz we let Osemele walk and Flacco is coming back from a knee injury!........Oppps!!!!   Good thing we post here folks. I think someone is reading and getting into their ears. God knows they need some help.

The chronology indicates its sloppy after the fact scrambling.........but it was a wise move. For reasons you may never accept!

[Tiznut]

1 minute ago, Danny D said:

Support the Jake Long signing.

Personally, I believe the Front Office had days to look close at their knee jerk handling of the Monroe situation and finally realized.......Opps!!!  we left our Rook isolated on the blind side with no veteran support cuz we let Osemele walk and Flacco is coming back from a knee injury!........Oppps!!!!   Good thing we post here folks. I think someone is reading and getting into their ears. God knows they need some help.

The chronology indicates its sloppy after the fact scrambling.........but it was a wise move. For reasons you may never accept!

So if the have been looking at Jake for a long time and they drafted staley after they offered KO money to stay and play I'm thinking they were looking at replacing Monroe since season ended. But again you can ignore all the other stuff and act like Ozzie is new to the league 

[rmw10]

10 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Support the Jake Long signing.

Personally, I believe the Front Office had days to look close at their knee jerk handling of the Monroe situation and finally realized.......Opps!!!  we left our Rook isolated on the blind side with no veteran support cuz we let Osemele walk and Flacco is coming back from a knee injury!........Oppps!!!!   Good thing we post here folks. I think someone is reading and getting into their ears. God knows they need some help.

The chronology indicates its sloppy after the fact scrambling.........but it was a wise move. For reasons you may never accept!

 

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

Apparently we had been in contact with Long on and off since March, so once again, don't doubt that there is a plan in place.

Again, see above.

[The Raven]

12 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Support the Jake Long signing.

Personally, I believe the Front Office had days to look close at their knee jerk handling of the Monroe situation and finally realized.......Opps!!!  we left our Rook isolated on the blind side with no veteran support cuz we let Osemele walk and Flacco is coming back from a knee injury!........Oppps!!!!   Good thing we post here folks. I think someone is reading and getting into their ears. God knows they need some help.

The chronology indicates its sloppy after the fact scrambling.........but it was a wise move. For reasons you may never accept!

Cutting a guy who played in only half the games he was under contract for and retired soon after being cut is a knee jerk reaction? Wow. 

You think somebody in the FO reads this message board and takes it seriously? Wow.

You spell "oops" like "opps"? Wow. And I thought you had such a good vocabulary.

Edited July 27, 2016 by The Raven

[Edgar]

20 minutes ago, Ravensfan23 said:

AQ Shipley played a lot of games for this teams as well. I love the fact that Hurst stepped up to the plate when asked, but you have to make upgrades to your teams constantly to be competitive. Monroe was cut for a reason and the Ravens added a potential quality backup OT for a reason. They feel they needed an upgrade and Long provides it. Hurst will still be given every opportunity to compete and if he outshines Long i'm sure the Ravens will stick with him. But despite his availability he hasn't really played well at LT.  

I have zero problem with Hurst being cut. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

7 minutes ago, The Raven said:

Cutting a guy who played in only half the games he was under contract for and retired soon after being cut is a knee jerk reaction? Wow. 

You think somebody in the FO reads this message board and takes it seriously? Wow.

You spell "oops" like "opps"? Wow. And I thought you had such a good vocabulary.

It's just something we non-intellectuals just don't understand I guess. Opps. I did it again. 

To comment on the signing(I did enjoy our conversation in the other thread btw.), I do think Long is a great one. Best case scenario is that the stars align and he somehow.. SOMEHOW returns to being a pretty good starter. Then we can insert the man into the starting lineup(Harbs believe in starting his best 5 anyway). But what is far more realistic is that he's going to serve as a mentor figure to Stanley. Think like Marc Bulger when he came in with Flacco. A guy who was very good in the past who's career took a downturn because of injuries coming back to help the younger player.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, wizard1 said:

Well we really hit the jackpot with Jake Long. Not only did we bring in a guy with one bad leg but but we made sure he has an extra bad leg to top it off. And for good measure we made sure he hasn't played football in almost 2 years! Exactly what our O-Line needs.

Yeah.. O-line depth sucks!

[The Raven]

5 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It's just something we non-intellectuals just don't understand I guess. Opps. I did it again. 

To comment on the signing(I did enjoy our conversation in the other thread btw.), I do think Long is a great one. Best case scenario is that the stars align and he somehow.. SOMEHOW returns to being a pretty good starter. Then we can insert the man into the starting lineup(Harbs believe in starting his best 5 anyway). But what is far more realistic is that he's going to serve as a mentor figure to Stanley. Think like Marc Bulger when he came in with Flacco. A guy who was very good in the past who's career took a downturn because of injuries coming back to help the younger player.

To me, best case scenario is Stanley and Urschel balling the hell out so we don't need Jake Long to start. I see Jake Long as an insurance policy and unofficial assistant offensive line coach. The experience and knowledge he brings is so critical. We have a ton of youth. We have three young starters, including Wagner. Sure, Yanda and Zuttah have imparted their knowledge on the youth, but another vet OL with great experience will only help our young tackles take the next step.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, wizard1 said:

Well we really hit the jackpot with Jake Long. Not only did we bring in a guy with one bad leg but but we made sure he has an extra bad leg to top it off. And for good measure we made sure he hasn't played football in almost 2 years! Exactly what our O-Line needs.

He had no starts last year, but did finish on the active roster in 4 of his last 5 games.

The previous year he had the first 7 starts of the season before being injured.

Once again, this signing is "Damage Control"..........but its better than no signing at all........he can mentor Stanley at a minimum and be available in a pinch.

[Ravensfan23]

8 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

It's just something we non-intellectuals just don't understand I guess. Opps. I did it again. 

To comment on the signing(I did enjoy our conversation in the other thread btw.), I do think Long is a great one. Best case scenario is that the stars align and he somehow.. SOMEHOW returns to being a pretty good starter. Then we can insert the man into the starting lineup(Harbs believe in starting his best 5 anyway). But what is far more realistic is that he's going to serve as a mentor figure to Stanley. Think like Marc Bulger when he came in with Flacco. A guy who was very good in the past who's career took a downturn because of injuries coming back to help the younger player.

Long should also help him handle the pressure of being a high profile top 10 pick. 

Also to look at it from another standpoint. I think adding Long will do wonders for the 2nd string offense to get quality work in the preseason. A oline of Long, Lewis, Jensen, Vlad and Wesley is a pretty good group imo. The RBs should get good work, the WR and TEs should get good work as long as Mallett plays well. 

[52520Andrew]

We will see if Long is able to stay healthy. My hope though is that he doesn't need to be on the field regardless.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, Danny D said:

Support the Jake Long signing.

Personally, I believe the Front Office had days to look close at their knee jerk handling of the Monroe situation and finally realized.......Opps!!!  we left our Rook isolated on the blind side with no veteran support cuz we let Osemele walk and Flacco is coming back from a knee injury!........Oppps!!!!   Good thing we post here folks. I think someone is reading and getting into their ears. God knows they need some help.

The chronology indicates its sloppy after the fact scrambling.........but it was a wise move. For reasons you may never accept!

Do you know what knee jerk means?

It was widely discussed as a foregone conclusion that we'd be cutting Monroe since the 2015 season ended. 6 months or quite possibly even longer is "knee jerk?" Thank you for continually putting your brilliance on display. 

And they waited to sign Long until now when he's fully recovered and healthy instead of back in March when there were still some lingering concerns. 3-4 months of evaluating is knee jerk??

No - your panic after cutting Monroe and bashing of Ozzie was knee jerk. The definition of the phrase. Admittedly I didn't want to release Monroe either - but I can admit when I'm wrong. The guy retired weeks later. The Ravens were right, he had to go.

Just give it up. Your whining from your flimsy, cardboard soapbox is not a good look. 

Sounds like you now realize they had a plan all along, like it, but can't bring yourself to acknowledge that you were too nearsighted to fully comprehend the FOs vision and handle on the situation. 

 

They handled this oline situation perfectly. Tried to sign the young, ascending in-house option but were outbid by a team with a treasury of cap space. 

Then they gave the current LT every chance to prove his health and commitment to football and the team, while drafting the top rated tackle prospect in quite a while for the future and as a contingency plan in case Monroe had to go. 

As it became more clear that Monroe was not an option at all they started investigating other options and opened communication with Long. Instead of panicking and committing to an oft injured player with lingering issues they waited it out for full and clear health reports. 

Which is where we are now with a promising rookie LT of the future and a former multiple time pro bowler as insurance who if fully healthy could push to start if needed at any of 3 positions and at worst is top shelf depth across the board. 

Flawless execution. Sorry they didnt keep you in the loop with their plan but that doesn't mean they didn't have one. 

Hate on. Hate on. 

Edited July 27, 2016 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

23 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Do you know what knee jerk means?

It was widely discussed as a foregone conclusion that we'd be cutting Monroe since the 2015 season ended. 6 months or quite possibly even longer is "knee jerk?" Thank you for continually putting your brilliance on display. 

And they waited to sign Long until now when he's fully recovered and healthy instead of back in March when there were still some lingering concerns. 3-4 months of evaluating is knee jerk??

No - your panic after cutting Monroe and bashing of Ozzie was knee jerk. The definition of the phrase. Admittedly I didn't want to release Monroe either - but I can admit when I'm wrong. The guy retired weeks later. The Ravens were right, he had to go.

Just give it up. Your whining from your flimsy, cardboard soapbox is not a good look. 

Sounds like you now realize they had a plan all along, like it, but can't bring yourself to acknowledge that you were too nearsighted to fully comprehend the FOs vision and handle on the situation. 

 

They handled this oline situation perfectly. Tried to sign the young, ascending in-house option but were outbid by a team with a treasury of cap space. 

Then they gave the current LT every chance to prove his health and commitment to football and the team, while drafting the top rated tackle prospect in quite a while for the future and as a contingency plan in case Monroe had to go. 

As it became more clear that Monroe was not an option at all they started investigating other options and opened communication with Long. Instead of panicking and committing to an oft injured player with lingering issues they waited it out for full and clear health reports. 

Which is where we are now with a promising rookie LT of the future and a former multiple time pro bowler as insurance who if fully healthy could push to start if needed at any of 3 positions and at worst is top shelf depth across the board. 

Flawless execution. Sorry they didnt keep you in the loop with their plan but that doesn't mean they didn't have one. 

Hate on. Hate on. 

How dare you use logic and reasoning on this forum! You're not a real fan! 

 

Great post. It's very Long(;)) but it's accurate. Since you know, communications have been going on since March. Former all pro with high football IQ as a backup is what I call quality depth even if he isn't the same player as before. Can play in a pinch if we need him to and can help progress Stanley along. Great signing. 

[Tru11]

meh will be interesting to see if he makes the 53 man roster.

played less games then monroe the past 2 seasons and when he played he was wasent better by any means.

at least he would be better then hurst although it really does not take much to be able to do that lel.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

13 hours ago, flynismo said:

Wicked! Every time I start a new franchise in Madden, I sign Jake Long during FA

Health permitting, can't ask for a better back up at such an important position.

This is funny. I have enjoyed the Madden franchise mode for a long time and then came along a game called Head Coach 2009. I don't know if you've ever played that game before. You actually do not control any of the players on the field. You are strictly a head coach. You can hire and fire your staff: OC, DC, STC, all your position coaches, your trainer, and your GM. They ALL have impacts on your team's performance and how well your players progress. A great GM can scout more talent more effectively and sign them to more team friendly deals. The way the game approaches free agency and contract negotiations (they actually use performance bonuses!) is a lot better than anything ever done in Madden. As the Head Coach you can call all the defensive and offensive plays if you want, or defer to your OC and DC. You can draft anyone you want to, or you can go along with your owner's or GM's suggestions. A few things that are missing are relocation; which to me is kind of a big deal when you are essentially playing a ramped up version of a franchise mode, and you can't edit player's names, equipment, or appearances. You can only edit positions within reason: DT/DE, DE/OLB, MLB/OLB, CB/S, etc. Numbers for DT's for some reason if they do not get a 90's number when you sign them you can only edit to a number between 60-79. Now to my point.

The game is so good at what it does do that I just recently started a new career with my created coach; my alter ego. I decided to give myself the biggest challenge I could so I started with the 1-15 Miami Dolphins. Instead of reliving the 2008 draft I skipped ahead to the 2009 pre season so I was stuck with the guys that the Dolphins actually drafted. That means I am looking at Chad Henne as my starting QB...and I just signed Jake Long to his rookie contract deal! I am also not cutting guys that are in their 30's with big, long term contracts because that will kill me in cap penalties. That means I am stuck with Joey Porter for 4-5 years at crazy money even though he's 30. My D-line is chock full of aging guys earning big money. None of the receivers can catch at all and there isn't much help in free agency. My owner insisted that I sign a new RT and LG with an overall rating of 85 or better so I had to be active in free agency. I landed Stacy Andrews at LG 86OVR and Jake Gross at RT 92OVR. With Jake Long at LT, a decent Samson Satele at C (at least in this game), I am only really hurting at RG with sub par talent as a starter. They drafted Daniel Thomas and he's not so great in this game.

It will be a rough road but that is what I wanted. I am really going to have to draft well. I don't want to sign every free agent in the world and become the Washington Redskins. Spending tons of money every year and never winning anything.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

2 hours ago, Tru11 said:

meh will be interesting to see if he makes the 53 man roster.

played less games then monroe the past 2 seasons and when he played he was wasent better by any means.

at least he would be better then hurst although it really does not take much to be able to do that lel.

He will be competing with James Hurst, De'Ondre Wesley, Alex Lewis, Blaine Clausell, and Stephane Nembot. As long as he is healthy I think he can beat all of them out for a back up spot. I am not sure he beats Wagner or Stanley out for a starting gig, but I don't think that's the plan anyway. The way I see it he and Lewis can make the roster, but it would be at the expense of either Ryan Jensen or Vlad Ducasse.

[RaineV1]

Maybe all that time off will be good for him. And unlike Monroe, he seems really psyched about the idea of playing. If nothing else it'll be good for Stanley, Lewis, and the other young guys to see how Long does everything in practice.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

A question I've been Longing to ask......

 

So what does this mean for Lewis? Is he all but confirmed for the guard spot now? I'm pretty sure he's the future backup but we've been trying him out at guard. Long is admittantly a fantastic idea to have fo a backup. So where do we put Lewis?

Edited July 27, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[jdynamite]

I was hoping he would have been signed before the draft, but better late than never I suppose. 

Good veteran addition, hopefully he can remain healthy and add solid depth to the team. 

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

A question I've been Longing to ask......

 

So what does this mean for Lewis? Is he all but confirmed for the guard spot now? I'm pretty sure he's the future backup but we've been trying him out at guard. Long is admittantly a fantastic idea to have fo a backup. So where do we put Lewis?

Due to his injury history the Ravens might not want to risk Long at the RT spot. They have a couple guys that can backup Wagner at the RT spot, but Long is the only trustworthy backup LT on the team. If they want him purely for the LT position, that would still leave Lewis competing to be the back up RT.

Edited July 27, 2016 by RaineV1