2016 Ravens Defense

[Tank 92]

So what do you expect from the D this year?

Without going into specifics, I'm feeling like we may see a much faster, "mini organized chaos" look with guys flying around and swarming to the ball, playing with more confidence and passion. I like it!    

                                                                                                 

[Guest]

It likely begins and ends with Suggs since he's the last of our All Pro foundation and he missed all of last season.  However, he's healing more slowly this time around, so we'll see. 

Other than Suggs, we have to take the Defense where it left off in 2015 and it let in a lot of points. Regarding players stepping up on Defense, other than Weddle, that is dependent on the drafts. We won't go back to 2013, because that draft was abysmal but for Brandon Williams. He's a given. It will depend upon:

Timmy Jernigan

Terrance Brooks

Carl Davis

Z'darius Smith

Correa            R

Kaufusi           R

Tavon Young R

Willie Henry   R Is he still on the team?..and

Matt Judon    R

 

Theres no Pro Bowlers among the 2nd and 3rd year guys, so real improvement will depend upon the Rookies and that's not ideal. No  strong opinion upon any of the Rookies on Defense, excepting Judon.  Not sure what weight to give it, but he can beat Stanley like a drum.

[Tiznut]

Pro bowl.  We ain't got no time for that!!

 

oh btw there's a guy named CJ Mosley who was a pro bowler as a rookie who is now entering his 3rd yr....

 

one other thing. Speaking about where the defense left off. I wonder if you know about the second half of last yr and the points allowed.

Edited July 25, 2016 by Tiznut

[K-Dog]

I think our secondary is going to be super tough. 

[DomMcRaven]

I don't know what to expect from this defense tbh. I do hope though that our defense becomes top 10 and we won't have to hear "FIRE PEES!"

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3 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

I don't know what to expect from this defense tbh. I do hope though that our defense becomes top 10 and we won't have to hear "FIRE PEES!"

It's funny how the defense actually played almost on par with the offense during the SB run(under Pees), but no one wants to mention that.  2013 they played better than given credit for. In 14, looked good til they were trying to find cbs off the street, but were awful the first half of 15.  I don't know what to expect.  Will usually say, maybe the pass rush, maybe the secondary, but I have no idea what will become of this group.  I hope the dbs show out, but I don't know why they should really be that much improved with an old Weddle and Webb.  I questin the pass rush with and older, recovering Suggs.  Who's playing next to Mosley?  I think the front 7 will rely somewhat heavily on our youth and don't know how that will work out.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If I do have a confession to make. I'm a little worried about the front 7. CJ, Williams, Jernigan, and Dumervil are great players. But we could use another piece. The defense is going to have moments of gold and crap. It's a younger front 7 than we are used to. Bronson, Correa, ZDS, Davis, Guy, Henry will have plays where they are great, and others where you'll be hitting your head against the wall. They're young, it's bound to happen. That said, ZDS was trending upwards last year, so with him and Dumervil rotating in and out I like it. Allows us to do a little bit more if you ask me. 

 

We should in theory be a hell of a lot better than last year. We've got depth now in the front 7 especially in the pass rush department. Bronson, Henry, Judon, Correa were  animals in regards to getting after the QB. Last year we had little depth at pass rusher. Teams could double doom and then honestly our best pass rusher after him was Guy. With Suggs back, and ZDS more developed that might change. But in theory we should be better despite what the resident Shakespeare quoting pessimist says. 

 

Secondary, barring health, should be a hell of a lot better. Webb wasn't terrible at safety and Weddle is a huge upgrade. Healthy Jimmy next to Shareece with Young/Powers in the middle could bode well. 

 

This is a unit that could be terrifying in 2-3 years(and you guys said that getting all those picks was stupid) because Kaufausi, Correa, Judon, and Henry all have high ceilings(yes, Judon does too. Something tells me he's another small school prospect that turns out to be great for us). 

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27 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If I do have a confession to make. I'm a little worried about the front 7. CJ, Williams, Jernigan, and Dumervil are great players. But we could use another piece. The defense is going to have moments of gold and crap. It's a younger front 7 than we are used to. Bronson, Correa, ZDS, Davis, Guy, Henry will have plays where they are great, and others where you'll be hitting your head against the wall. They're young, it's bound to happen. That said, ZDS was trending upwards last year, so with him and Dumervil rotating in and out I like it. Allows us to do a little bit more if you ask me. 

 

We should in theory be a hell of a lot better than last year. We've got depth now in the front 7 especially in the pass rush department. Bronson, Henry, Judon, Correa were  animals in regards to getting after the QB. Last year we had little depth at pass rusher. Teams could double doom and then honestly our best pass rusher after him was Guy. With Suggs back, and ZDS more developed that might change. But in theory we should be better despite what the resident Shakespeare quoting pessimist says. 

 

Secondary, barring health, should be a hell of a lot better. Webb wasn't terrible at safety and Weddle is a huge upgrade. Healthy Jimmy next to Shareece with Young/Powers in the middle could bode well. 

 

This is a unit that could be terrifying in 2-3 years(and you guys said that getting all those picks was stupid) because Kaufausi, Correa, Judon, and Henry all have high ceilings(yes, Judon does too. Something tells me he's another small school prospect that turns out to be great for us). 

I feel how you do.  The potential I think is there (says every fan in the off season), but don't know how it will pan out.  I do see this class being regarded as a turn around unit, like you, in a year or two, but I've been wrong before.

[Stevin]

our defense in 2016 will be in the top-15 or even top-12 (Yrd\G , Pts\G) , but it will be much worse in "3rd Down Conversions" and "Red Zone Scoring" , just bcoz our DC is... well u know.  still lack of turnovers (lack of playmakers).  we have to rely on our offense if we want to win. (and our offense big question mark too...)

pro bowl candidates - CJ , B.Williams , Weddle

 

[ALPHA]

Growing pains. I expect some improvement over last year but it really comes down to if we can get the pass rush off the ground. I'm also hoping Carl Davis steps up because we're probably losing Brandon Williams to free agency.

[K-Dog]

7 hours ago, DomMcRaven said:

I don't know what to expect from this defense tbh. I do hope though that our defense becomes top 10 and we won't have to hear "FIRE PEES!"

No one will want Pees fired because he finally started listening to us.

 

[Tank 92]

A lot of what has been missing in the secondary can be attributed to poor communication. I think Weddle gets things straight back there and that success filters into the front 7.  I agree there a lot of unknowns but there is a solid core with Brandon and CJ(another year's experience), some developing talent and what looks to be some exciting young players to ad to the mix. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Tiznut said:

 

 

one other thing. Speaking about where the defense left off. I wonder if you know about the second half of last yr and the points allowed.

Once again, Mosley and Williams are givens.  We have to factor change. However, though they play like Ravens, they are not in the same league as our former stalwarts.

Lets see

Jags 22

Rams 13

Browns 27 (We couldn't contain the Browns last year)

Fins    15

Seahawks 35

Chiefts      34

Steelers    17

Bengals    24

193 second half of season..........to 208 first half?  We did beat the Steelers and regardless of how the season plays out, sweeping them again would be sweet. The D let in 145 yards rushing in the last game when Cinn. had nothing to play for. Little troubling. And DeAngelo Williams got his 100 in our win over the Steelers in week 16.  We won and ran pretty well too. 

We were a middling team on D in 2015, nothing that happened that year is going to elevate us in 2016. It's gonna depend on stepped up play.

Harbaugh stated 2015 was one of the most satisfying years he's ever coached. He's got his guys playing for him now. The kind of guys he likes to coach.

We have lived in the playoffs on the Cleveland Browns. In our Division, sweeping the Browns is a must.  Sweep the Browns, split with the teams that beat us to the Playoffs again and you go 4-2 in division. When we can't sweep the Browns, everything changes. You gotta come out of division 4-2 to have a realistic chance to make the playoffs.

 

 

Edited July 25, 2016 by Danny D

[Tiznut]

So Mosley and Williams are given pro bowl players despite you saying we have no pro bowl players in the 2-3yr range. Oh btw this will be Williams 4th yr.  so um strike 2. 

 

At at some point im going to expect you to admit you're not a Ravens fan and simply just a casually nfl fan that hasn't figured out how to atleast Google basic stuff

[JoeyFlex5]

It's hard to say. Too many unknowns. Our defense could be top 5, or bottom. 

 

Jimmy needs to be healthy

wright needs to be legit

suggs needs to be in top form, dumervil as well

Jernigan needs to be healthy, in shape, and consistent. 

Urban/kaufusi/Davis/guy all need to play well, and one of those guys needs to show dynamic ability and pass rush

Correa needs to be the playmaker he looks like 

Mosley needs to step up in coverage

Weddle needs to be smart and sound

Webb needs to make turnovers And show range and stay healthy

Someone between judon/ZDS/correa/ochi, at least one of them, needs to be a impact rusher

The only sure thing is Brandon Williams but he isn't a big impact guy, he does a lot for our base but isn't very effective in a nickel which is where we need to excel. 

 

A lot of question marks and this season I think we see a lot of unrefined potential and promise for the future. By 2018 I could see this being a legit top 5 unit if someone becomes an impact pass rusher. But until then its all potential and nothing more

 

[DomMcRaven]

15 hours ago, redrum52 said:

It's funny how the defense actually played almost on par with the offense during the SB run(under Pees), but no one wants to mention that.  2013 they played better than given credit for. In 14, looked good til they were trying to find cbs off the street, but were awful the first half of 15.  I don't know what to expect.  Will usually say, maybe the pass rush, maybe the secondary, but I have no idea what will become of this group.  I hope the dbs show out, but I don't know why they should really be that much improved with an old Weddle and Webb.  I questin the pass rush with and older, recovering Suggs.  Who's playing next to Mosley?  I think the front 7 will rely somewhat heavily on our youth and don't know how that will work out.

Good points. Pertaining to the SB run, I think it also helped they played with a sense of urgency after the Cundiff choke and Ray announcing his retirement. I was impressed that we held the Colts to 20 points in 2014 (unfortunately our offense didn't show up in that game). There are just too many variables including health, chemistry, and consistency. As far as the younger guys are concerned, I understand why people are excited for their potential. The way I look at it, I'll believe the potential when I see it.  

[757RavensFan]

If the secondary can pickup where they left off from last season, I can see a top 10 defense.  

[Jacquouille]

To me it all comes down to Mosley and Weddle. The talent is undeniable, and you can have a young defense and still be elite, just ask the Vikings how long it took them.

The real issue is the communication and the team effort. That's why Mosley needs to clearly indicates the assignments, particularly to the young LBs next to him (Correa and Orr probably), and Weddle needs to keep things clear for the secondary. 

 

To me that's the only factor, the rest we have it.

[JoeyFlex5]

18 hours ago, redrum52 said:

It's funny how the defense actually played almost on par with the offense during the SB run(under Pees), but no one wants to mention that.  2013 they played better than given credit for. In 14, looked good til they were trying to find cbs off the street, but were awful the first half of 15.  I don't know what to expect.  Will usually say, maybe the pass rush, maybe the secondary, but I have no idea what will become of this group.  I hope the dbs show out, but I don't know why they should really be that much improved with an old Weddle and Webb.  I questin the pass rush with and older, recovering Suggs.  Who's playing next to Mosley?  I think the front 7 will rely somewhat heavily on our youth and don't know how that will work out.

Pees defenses have a long long history of giving up late leads, especially in big playoff games. Starting with the 06 patriots who gave up a massive lead in the 2nd half to the colts in the AFCCG, then 18-1, then they missed the playoffs in 08 and got dismantled by us in 09, then came here and gave up a huge lead in the 2nd half vs Pittsburgh to send us home packing(2 turnovers didn't help, but still) and then he finally put together a solid unit in 2011 that lost thanks to cundiff, and then it regressed big time in 2012 and luckily we faced kaepernick who can't throw a touch pass so we escaped that one by the slimmest of margins, 2013 we gave up late game drives seemingly every week but our offense was horrid so I'll let it slide, and then the dumersizzle mcphenom trio carried out defense in 2014. 

 

Dean Pees has an awful track record and he needs to be fired because we see more of the same year in and year out. His usage of the Pernelephant in 2014 is the highlight of his career.

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1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pees defenses have a long long history of giving up late leads, especially in big playoff games. Starting with the 06 patriots who gave up a massive lead in the 2nd half to the colts in the AFCCG, then 18-1, then they missed the playoffs in 08 and got dismantled by us in 09, then came here and gave up a huge lead in the 2nd half vs Pittsburgh to send us home packing(2 turnovers didn't help, but still) and then he finally put together a solid unit in 2011 that lost thanks to cundiff, and then it regressed big time in 2012 and luckily we faced kaepernick who can't throw a touch pass so we escaped that one by the slimmest of margins, 2013 we gave up late game drives seemingly every week but our offense was horrid so I'll let it slide, and then the dumersizzle mcphenom trio carried out defense in 2014. 

 

Dean Pees has an awful track record and he needs to be fired because we see more of the same year in and year out. His usage of the Pernelephant in 2014 is the highlight of his career.

To give up a lead, doesn't that usually mean they did something to help get the lead?  In most games you mention, both sides go ice cold, yet the offense never seems to be held accountable for help giving up a lead.  Just as it's the defenses job to hold an offense, the offense is suppose to put up points.  The Pats defense went damn near ice cold the 2nd half of that game.  You can say a defense gave up a lead but that means the oher side isn't doing their job either in most cases.  Pees also didn't take over until 12 as DC.  In the SB both sides collapsed 2nd half.  13 the offense did the defense no favors, like the defense did them none in 15.  In 14 we could've been playing corner and no one would've known at that point with how banged up our secondary was.  

[Edgar]

16 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

I will eventually let this go but Myles Jack is the type of player we've been searching for and we passed on him.

We'll see how it turns out but I the thought of him next to Mosley.....

[Jacquouille]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Dean Pees has an awful track record and he needs to be fired because we see more of the same year in and year out. His usage of the Pernelephant in 2014 is the highlight of his career.

Care to explain that?

1 hour ago, Edgar said:

I will eventually let this go but Myles Jack is the type of player we've been searching for and we passed on him.

We'll see how it turns out but I the thought of him next to Mosley.....

Basically what we're all thinking... But you know, for 32 teams to pass on him, even the Bengals or Packers who needed badly an ILB and could take a chance, to pass on him is pretty meaningful. We won't be able to judge until his career is said and done (not just his first year).

[Steve0x]

I want to see them better than Last year. I want to see the turn over game to return as well. 

[K-Dog]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pees defenses have a long long history of giving up late leads, especially in big playoff games. Starting with the 06 patriots who gave up a massive lead in the 2nd half to the colts in the AFCCG, then 18-1, then they missed the playoffs in 08 and got dismantled by us in 09, then came here and gave up a huge lead in the 2nd half vs Pittsburgh to send us home packing(2 turnovers didn't help, but still) and then he finally put together a solid unit in 2011 that lost thanks to cundiff, and then it regressed big time in 2012 and luckily we faced kaepernick who can't throw a touch pass so we escaped that one by the slimmest of margins, 2013 we gave up late game drives seemingly every week but our offense was horrid so I'll let it slide, and then the dumersizzle mcphenom trio carried out defense in 2014. 

 

Dean Pees has an awful track record and he needs to be fired because we see more of the same year in and year out. His usage of the Pernelephant in 2014 is the highlight of his career.

Depleted Swiss cheese secondary.  One of the best QB's in the game.

Go figure. 

[Tiznut]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I will eventually let this go but Myles Jack is the type of player we've been searching for and we passed on him.

We'll see how it turns out but I the thought of him next to Mosley.....

Ramsey and jack are guys I'm anxious to see how their careers go. Ramsey's measureables were great but in a stat driven world he was lacking. 

 

Myles is very versatile and I think he can produce at any lb position that said Ozzie and crew see Correa the same way 

 

ftr the last ucla guy I wanted went to jax too and we ended up with a very good replica 

Edited July 25, 2016 by Tiznut

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Edgar said:

I will eventually let this go but Myles Jack is the type of player we've been searching for and we passed on him.

 

Talent wise, yes.  Injury history?  Considering our bad fortune as of late I'm thinking there wasn't much of a chance we would take Myles.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Tiznut said:

So Mosley and Williams are given pro bowl players despite you saying we have no pro bowl players in the 2-3yr range. Oh btw this will be Williams 4th yr.  so um strike 2. 

 

At at some point im going to expect you to admit you're not a Ravens fan and simply just a casually nfl fan that hasn't figured out how to atleast Google basic stuff

You're killing me. What is going on with you folks?

It's all related.....Read well, think clearly, observe accurately, write with precision, speak with clarity. Brevity becomes the soul of wit. And when you have the whole package down, it becomes possible to see the future without confusion or bias. Until one has the whole package down, one is merely guessing. 

How did you get hung up on Pro Bowls when the only issue was related to increased level play from our "also rans" roster?  I'll spell it out..."Also Ran" is a term for horses that didn't finish 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in their last race.  They competed but they did not distinguish themselves.  We have a lot of Also Rans. Mosley and Williams are not such.

Now, I'm not here to educate you. I don't care. What I care about is the deterioration of the Baltimore Ravens. But if you can't discern the topic, stop questioning me.

[Tank 92]

1 minute ago, Danny D said:

You're killing me. What is going on with you folks?

It's all related.....Read well, think clearly, observe accurately, write with precision, speak with clarity. Brevity becomes the soul of wit. And when you have the whole package down, it becomes possible to see the future without confusion or bias. Until one has the whole package down, one is merely guessing. 

How did you get hung up on Pro Bowls when the only issue was related to increased level play from our "also rans" roster?  I'll spell it out..."Also Ran" is a term for horses that didn't finish 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in their last race.  They competed but they did not distinguish themselves.  We have a lot of Also Rans. Mosley and Williams are not such.

Now, I'm not here to educate you. I don't care. What I care about is the deterioration of the Baltimore Ravens. But if you can't discern the topic, stop questioning me.

Reading and considering the progression of your posts over the past couple of months brings to mind the thought of a bad Stephen King novel.   lol   You OK? You're scarin' me Dan!

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Reading and considering the progression of your posts over the past couple of months brings to mind the thought of a bad Stephen King novel.   lol   You OK? You're scarin' me Dan!

Don't bother. He's just preaching the same stuff in every thread to piss off people. You're better off not replying.

 

Hes given Ronnie Stanley a grand total of four games to develop, thus allowing one to infer he thinks the same of all the others that we drafted on defense.. So of course he thinks doom and gloom is near. 

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Reading and considering the progression of your posts over the past couple of months brings to mind the thought of a bad Stephen King novel.   lol   You OK? You're scarin' me Dan!

Thanks Wholelotta.

I'm adamant that the correction must take place by the end of this year.  There is no time to delay.  I understand they don't comprehend the reasons and will drag their feet regardless, but it must happen now. 

The inability to absorb a topic is another thing altogether.  

Edited July 26, 2016 by Danny D