Ray Rice

[FastEddie]

Apologize if this topic sounds like an attempt towards beating a dead horse, but I thought I would start a thread just in case this gets more attention towards Ray Rice rejuvenating his career playing.

Especially considering the recent allegations facing Ezekial Elliot...rookie none the less. Does anyone see Ray getting a look in Dallas or anywhere else after the statement he made yesterday?

[trevorsteadman]

No... Unfortunately I think he should get a second chance... He has done everything in his power to try to make things right. But he will always be remembered for that two minutes of him in the elevator.

Too much of a PR issue for any team.

[berad]

The video of that terrible action still looms too large. If he was going to get a second chance, he would've already had it, in my opinion.

Every day that passes ages him and puts him further in the NFL rear-view. He and his agent put out these statements in the offseason to try and drum up interest but you can see right through them - it is over for him in all likelihood. He can still make a difference by talking to and supporting groups - remember he talked to our rookie earlier this summer, hopefully made an impact.

Like it or not, that video made people have a visceral reaction and was something he can't deny - unlike the static images that come out for some others' DV incidents. Not saying it's any better or worse, violence against a partner is a disgrace but there's something about seeing it happen.

[rmcjacket23]

What has changed for him to warrant his own topic (again)?

What, him volunteering to donate his salary to a charity makes him all of the sudden worth of discussion and consideration again?

The Ravens could just donate $1M or whatever his salary would be to the same charity, and skip all the theatrics and nonsense associated with signing him.

[K-Dog]

I actually am a little  surprised no one has picked him up.

I get the disappointment in ending what really was a fantastic career in such a manner.  For that I do feel bad for the guy.

Sadly you can't undo what has been done.  I really hope for the best for the guy. 

 

[Deflated Football]

Thought this was going to be a thread to sign him. Thank goodness. 

[rmcjacket23]

Also, why is Dallas considered on this list? They'd be one of the least likeliest teams in the entire league to sign him.

They just spent the #4 overall pick on a stud, and they have McFadden, who could start on plenty of teams. RB depth is very solid for them.

 

[Tiznut]

Ezekiel will be cleared. Police already refused to arrest him based on evidence the ex was full of it...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 hours ago, FastEddie said:

Apologize if this topic sounds like an attempt towards beating a dead horse, but I thought I would start a thread just in case this gets more attention towards Ray Rice rejuvenating his career playing.

Especially considering the recent allegations facing Ezekial Elliot...rookie none the less. Does anyone see Ray getting a look in Dallas or anywhere else after the statement he made yesterday?

Zeke isnt getting arrested. There was a witness in the car with them that said she was full of it. Other witnesses have come forward saying the same thing.

I'm not going to pretend like some athletes/celebrities dont have the influence to get "witnesses" to come forward and lie on their behalf to sweep this type of thing under the rug, but the police verified the witness was in the car and its looking more and more like Zeke's version of the story is the truth, and hers has more holes in it than a slice of swiss.

Looks like a money grab to me. She even claimed to be his live-in girlfriend which is now being refuted. He simply helped co-sign a lease for her to help her out.

[usmccharles]

Sadly, Rice was the poster child of DV and basically has been black balled imo.  No one will sign him.  I was hoping someone would

And to be honest, I don't like how we treated him through the process, I thought we bailed on him because of the video after we said we would stand by him and he was nothing but honest with our FO. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Zeke isnt getting arrested. There was a witness in the car with them that said she was full of it. Other witnesses have come forward saying the same thing.

I'm not going to pretend like some athletes/celebrities dont have the influence to get "witnesses" to come forward and lie on their behalf to sweep this type of thing under the rug, but the police verified the witness was in the car and its looking more and more like Zeke's version of the story is the truth, and hers has more holes in it than a slice of swiss.

Looks like a money grab to me. She even claimed to be his live-in girlfriend which is now being refuted. He simply helped co-sign a lease for her to help her out.

Forget all of this for a second though...

Lets suppose (hypothetically) that Zeke DID do this. All indications are its untrue, but just indulge me for a second.

So the OP is suggesting that the solution for a team who just had their star RB arrested and then likely suspended for Domestic Violence is to go sign the poster child for Domestic Violence. 

Seriously? Somebody say that out loud and tell me how you think that plays out positively for ANY organization on the planet? 

 

Edited July 22, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Forget all of this for a second though...

Lets suppose (hypothetically) that Zeke DID do this. All indications are its untrue, but just indulge me for a second.

So the OP is suggesting that the solution for a team who just had their star RB arrested and then likely suspended for Domestic Violence is to go sign the poster child for Domestic Violence. 

Seriously? Somebody say that out loud and tell me how you think that plays out positively for ANY organization on the planet? 

 

Yea, its a flawed thought on all levels.

1st - Zeke almost assuredly didnt do it, which kills it right at the start.

2nd - They not only have McFadden who played really well last year, but also just signed Alfred Morris this offseason which by themselves are a pretty fine 1-2 punch. Definitely one of the better duos in the league by themselves.

3rd - as you point out... why in the world would a team losing their RB to a DV allegation, bring in the most notorious case of DV the league has seen.

 

There isnt an ounce of plausibility to it.

[FastEddie]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Forget all of this for a second though...

Lets suppose (hypothetically) that Zeke DID do this. All indications are its untrue, but just indulge me for a second.

So the OP is suggesting that the solution for a team who just had their star RB arrested and then likely suspended for Domestic Violence is to go sign the poster child for Domestic Violence. 

Seriously? Somebody say that out loud and tell me how you think that plays out positively for ANY organization on the planet? 

 

I don't think I would have jumped to that conclusion. Just my opinion, but I would have taken it adversely, Dallas being an advocate against DV with signing someone like RR who openly admitted he was wrong and spent the last couple of years working to recover.

Again, this wasn't supposed to be solely directed at Zeke and Dallas. Really any team in need of a RB.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, FastEddie said:

I don't think I would have jumped to that conclusion. Just my opinion, but I would have taken it adversely, Dallas being an advocate against DV with signing someone like RR who openly admitted he was wrong and spent the last couple of years working to recover.

Again, this wasn't supposed to be solely directed at Zeke and Dallas. Really any team in need of a RB.

Its really, really, really tough to sell to literally anybody that you can be an advocate against DV by signing a guy who is basically solely responsible for bringing the DV issue to the forefront. 

I get it. The media tours, the charity events, the speeches, etc. I get that those things are supposed to somehow "repair" the damage that he did. Me personally, it wouldn't be nearly enough to for me to welcome him back to a sport that still is very emotional and reactionary to the problem. 

Frankly, what Rice has done is sort of the MINIMUM standard of work that a public figure would be required to do just in order to get the public to consider respecting him as a human being again. 

As I said multiple times in another thread... the public reaction and "PR" for the Eagles when they signed Vick straight out of prison wasn't great and wonderful. They had to take a lot of heat for that, and he was easily a more talented player at that stage than Rice is now. 

I seriously doubt that the overwhelming majority of people would view a team signing him as a "positive".

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 minutes ago, FastEddie said:

I don't think I would have jumped to that conclusion. Just my opinion, but I would have taken it adversely, Dallas being an advocate against DV with signing someone like RR who openly admitted he was wrong and spent the last couple of years working to recover.

Again, this wasn't supposed to be solely directed at Zeke and Dallas. Really any team in need of a RB.

They tried it with Greg Hardy and got burned. Doubt theyd go down that road again.

And last offseason they desperately needed a RB as did NE several times throughout the year and Rice never got so much as a whiff. Now 2 season removed from playing - it aint happening.

[rmcjacket23]

Just now, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

They tried it with Greg Hardy and got burned. Doubt theyd go down that road again.

And last offseason they desperately needed a RB as did NE several times throughout the year and Rice never got so much as a whiff. Now 2 season removed from playing - it aint happening.

I suppose the difference between Rice and Hardy is that Rice has basically faced what he has done, owned it, and made attempts to get back into the publics good graces.

Hardy is just a straight monster who never took credit for anything he did.

[ludy51]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Frankly, what Rice has done is sort of the MINIMUM standard of work that a public figure would be required to do just in order to get the public to consider respecting him as a human being again. 

Well that's.... a bit extreme

[Tiznut]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Sadly, Rice was the poster child of DV and basically has been black balled imo.  No one will sign him.  I was hoping someone would

And to be honest, I don't like how we treated him through the process, I thought we bailed on him because of the video after we said we would stand by him and he was nothing but honest with our FO. 

Partially agreed. Figured he'd get a camp invite but do to his last yr with us I understand why he doesn't. 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Sadly, Rice was the poster child of DV and basically has been black balled imo.  No one will sign him.  I was hoping someone would

And to be honest, I don't like how we treated him through the process, I thought we bailed on him because of the video after we said we would stand by him and he was nothing but honest with our FO. 

The Ray Rice Saga made one thing very clear.  Our Franchise has a very cordial relationship with the Commissioner.  He was getting a 2 game suspension. We were going to look the other way and so was the NFL until the video appeared.  The video didn't elaborate on the offense. It just gave a picture to it and that was enough for the "enablers" to change their tune.  It went from 2 games to lifetime ban.  Some view it as "the politics of public pressure".  It's not nearly as innocuous as that. It's more about ethics and morals that are for sale.  Principles that are negotiable. When a man negotiates upon his principles, he either doesn't have any or was pretending to have them.  We back the Commissioner and he backs us.

Another team that has a very cozy relationship with the Commissioner is the New England Patriots. For their QB's offense the suspension should have been a full year, but they got off very light because they are favorites of the NFL.

No Ray Rice will not be given another chance, but it's not because he doesn't deserve it.

 

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Danny D said:

The Ray Rice Saga made one thing very clear.  Our Franchise has a very cordial relationship with the Commissioner.  He was getting a 2 game suspension. We were going to look the other way and so was the NFL until the video appeared.  The video didn't elaborate on the offense. It just gave a picture to it and that was enough for the "enablers" to change their tune.  It went from 2 games to lifetime ban.  Some view it as "the politics of public pressure".  It's not nearly as innocuous as that. It's more about ethics and morals that are for sale.  Principles that are negotiable. When a man negotiates upon his principles, he either doesn't have any or was pretending to have them.  We back the Commissioner and he backs us.

Another team that has a very cozy relationship with the Commissioner is the New England Patriots. For their QB's offense the suspension should have been a full year, but they got off very light because they are favorites of the NFL.

No Ray Rice will not be given another chance, but it's not because he doesn't deserve it.

 

Yea It just doesn't sit well with me that we didn't stand behind our guy because a video came out showing what we already knew. 

I will disagree on your stance on Brady getting a full year suspension, but that's another topic, but sadly I have to agree with what you pointed out. 

[Steve0x]

I think Ray Rice should play in the CFL in Saskatchewan for 3 years and then if an NFL team takes him thats his second chance. 

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, ludy51 said:

Well that's.... a bit extreme

I think the general public would disagree with that strongly.

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea It just doesn't sit well with me that we didn't stand behind our guy because a video came out showing what we already knew. 

I will disagree on your stance on Brady getting a full year suspension, but that's another topic, but sadly I have to agree with what you pointed out. 

Video evidence changes everything.

Domestic violence is nothing new. You can grab the Baltimore Sun on a weekly or even daily basis and probably read an article about domestic violence in Baltimore alone.

What video does is SHOW people what DV looks like. No different than most other crimes. You can read about a murder (even in gruesome detail) in a newspaper or on the internet, but then if you show them the video of that actual event, even when you know what you are going to see, its dramatically different.

No reasonable, sane person thinks Tom Brady deserves a year suspension. Those people simply lack perspective.

[rmcjacket23]

6 hours ago, Steve0x said:

I think Ray Rice should play in the CFL in Saskatchewan for 3 years and then if an NFL team takes him thats his second chance. 

He doesn't have the skill sets to play in the CFL. 

[ALPHA]

I honestly think if the Cowboys had signed him last year he would have posted over 2000 yards total. As for the moves he's made since his release he's gone above and beyond to make amends, and I say that as someone who wanted him gone when the news broke BEFORE the video.

So yes I think he deserves a second chance, it won't be here though.

[Steve0x]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He doesn't have the skill sets to play in the CFL. 

CFL is like football in the minor leagues.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Video evidence changes everything.

Domestic violence is nothing new. You can grab the Baltimore Sun on a weekly or even daily basis and probably read an article about domestic violence in Baltimore alone.

What video does is SHOW people what DV looks like. No different than most other crimes. You can read about a murder (even in gruesome detail) in a newspaper or on the internet, but then if you show them the video of that actual event, even when you know what you are going to see, its dramatically different.

No reasonable, sane person thinks Tom Brady deserves a year suspension. Those people simply lack perspective.

I am well aware video evidence changes everything, hence what happened.  I just highly disagree with the way we treated him.  We knew he hit her. How did we know? he told us.  He was honest.  We bailed on him because of society seeing what DV looks like and putting a name/face to it.  I understand it, just disagree with it. 

 

9 hours ago, Steve0x said:

I think Ray Rice should play in the CFL in Saskatchewan for 3 years and then if an NFL team takes him thats his second chance. 

So think a player who struggled the last time he played in the NFL (3 years ago) should go play somewhere else for three years, then try to come back as a 33 year old RB, a position that is that is one of the easiest to replace with a cheap draft pick, while being the poster child of the NFL for DV? When most RBs don't do anything past 30? Logic....404 not found

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I think the general public would disagree with that strongly.

elaborate ?

[Tiznut]

Am I the only that feels that we can just dig up the old thread and save ourselves the time of typing out our views on his case all over again?

 

In regards to the CFL if teams questioned if rice was declining his last full yr in the nfl how the hell do you think teams will view him after 3 yrs in the CFL. Like was mentioned he'd be too old and forgotten to then go back as an nfl rb 

[ludy51]

31 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

elaborate ?

He's the last person take to speak for the "general public"