Eugene Monroe decides to retire.

[JimmyBlack]

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/ricky-williams-marijuana-friendly-gym/306116  Maybe he will be happier in a weed friendly state like Colorado.

[sflegend89]

Ozzie hit the Stanley pick out of the park. Monroe had one foot out the door already last season, you don't just retire on a whim, clearly he's put a good deal of thought into this. Bet the coaching staff picked up on that vibe from Monroe and let Ozzie/Eric know his level of commitment to football was concerning.

 

Best of luck to Monroe, I certainly can respect he's reasons for hanging up his cleats.

[Guest]

18 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

As much as Monroe may seem a bit on the selfish side, I really do applaud him for this. The NFL is not a free-speech friendly place and DEFINITELY not a forward thinking place. and he is 100% correct on all fronts. There is not a single logical thought that even doctors can muster up to continue advocating opioids for pain treatment opposed to marijuana, nearly every negative connotation about the stuff has been debunked relentlessly, opioid death rates have soared recently and the addiction rates are flying due to overprescribing.  Let's also not forget there is deactivated THC/cannabinoid extracts that give all the positive benefits without the highs...

 

The fact that the NFL essentially blackballed his stance on this is pathetic.

I have to agree with you.  Don't get me wrong, its not my thing, but the pain reduction issues you outlined I agree with. 

I was not a fan of acquiring Monroe and also not a fan of releasing him at this time.  It's the current decision making I want a divorce from. 20 years is a long time for a G.M. and 9 years Is a long time for a coach. We need new blood with youthful minds.  

[Guest]

2 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

Ozzie hit the Stanley pick out of the park. Monroe had one foot out the door already last season, you don't just retire on a whim, clearly he's put a good deal of thought into this. Bet the coaching staff picked up on that vibe from Monroe and let Ozzie/Eric know his level of commitment to football was concerning.

 

Best of luck to Monroe, I certainly can respect he's reasons for hanging up his cleats.

Not so fast. Newsome had to have Monroe too. 

It certainly appears Monroe got blackballed for his medical marijuana stance.  He couldn't find a job at the commensurate rate.

Once again Newsome had to have Monroe and then he wouldn't keep him for Stanley security and mentoring.  It was more like taking a third strike or at best weakly fouling one off.

[Ravenseconbeast]

12 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

He was obviously getting much better offers than that from other teams.

This appears to be a combination of lack of desire to keep playing and the long-term view based on his recent injury history.

Guy made $41.3M in his career. He's probably decided he's had enough.

It definitely seem that way.   The first very year, you can see he was trying hard to keep up with the expectation.   The next season, his production just dropped off.  His body wasn't ready to take the beating.   He was getting multiple delays and another injury after another.   

He put the QB and our lineman in a bad position for 2 straight years.  Then our FO and Harbaugh really wanted to see a major effort from Monroe.   It wasn't there.  

I think Monroe already decided, that he was done with and just rake the cash long as he can.   Ravens probably made the decision to get rid of him more because of football reason than his 'pot rights' excuse he is making.  

Edited July 22, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[Tiznut]

11 hours ago, Danny D said:

I have to agree with you.  Don't get me wrong, its not my thing, but the pain reduction issues you outlined I agree with. 

I was not a fan of acquiring Monroe and also not a fan of releasing him at this time.  It's the current decision making I want a divorce from. 20 years is a long time for a G.M. and 9 years Is a long time for a coach. We need new blood with youthful minds.  

 

Seriously saying 9 yes is long enough for a coach lol. So what's the excuse regarding New England 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 hours ago, Danny D said:

I have to agree with you.  Don't get me wrong, its not my thing, but the pain reduction issues you outlined I agree with. 

I was not a fan of acquiring Monroe and also not a fan of releasing him at this time.  It's the current decision making I want a divorce from. 20 years is a long time for a G.M. and 9 years Is a long time for a coach. We need new blood with youthful minds.  

 

So does this forum apperantly 

Edited July 22, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Tank 92]

Gene wants to fish and smoke dope. I'm sure he has more than enough money to do plenty of both and live comfortably.  To be frank, I think he was probably leaning towards this decision last season and our FO could see it. 

[JoeyFlex5]

15 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Gene wants to fish and smoke dope. I'm sure he has more than enough money to do plenty of both and live comfortably.  To be frank, I think he was probably leaning towards this decision last season and our FO could see it. 

You know... I don't touch any kind of substance, I don't even drink beer, but if I had the platform for it I would absolutely advocate for medical marijuana to be more widely accepted, because it's common sense at this point that weed is safer and more beneficial than most medicines on the market. 

 

Just because he advocates medical usage doesn't mean he wants to retire to smoke weed. And you really don't have to be so condescending about a VERY positive approach to modernizing the NFL for the benefit of the players. He is doing a very good thing for NFL players by pressing for this. I applaud it, and anyone with an ounce of common sense should as well.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You know... I don't touch any kind of substance, I don't even drink beer, but if I had the platform for it I would absolutely advocate for medical marijuana to be more widely accepted, because it's common sense at this point that weed is safer and more beneficial than most medicines on the market. 

 

Just because he advocates medical usage doesn't mean he wants to retire to smoke weed. And you really don't have to be so condescending about a VERY positive approach to modernizing the NFL for the benefit of the players. He is doing a very good thing for NFL players by pressing for this. I applaud it, and anyone with an ounce of common sense should as well.

At this point the government is just being pig headed about dropping its absolute prohibition of marijuana.

I'm straight edge like you, but since I deal with chronic pain caused by a legal medication, I'd love to see more research into marijuana based pain relievers. I don't even care about the "high", just want something relatively harmless but effective at easing my pain, since NSAID's don't do anything for tendon or nerve pain. And I won't touch any opiate based meds because I've seen firsthand what they do to people.

While it was frustrating having Monroe miss so many games, I never blamed him for being hurt constantly. It's an unfortunate part of the game. And I applaud his efforts now to try and force our stubborn powers that be, who often have their own self serving reasons for resisting policy changes, to reconsider their stances. Because there's certainly no harm in doing more research.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, PerpetuallyBored74 said:

At this point the government is just being pig headed about dropping its absolute prohibition of marijuana.

I'm straight edge like you, but since I deal with chronic pain caused by a legal medication, I'd love to see more research into marijuana based pain relievers. I don't even care about the "high", just want something relatively harmless but effective at easing my pain, since NSAID's don't do anything for tendon or nerve pain. And I won't touch any opiate based meds because I've seen firsthand what they do to people.

While it was frustrating having Monroe miss so many games, I never blamed him for being hurt constantly. It's an unfortunate part of the game. And I applaud his efforts now to try and force our stubborn powers that be, who often have their own self serving reasons for resisting policy changes, to reconsider their stances. Because there's certainly no harm in doing more research.

Pigheaded is exactly the problem. From the government, business owners like goodell, and even from people who come from the reefer madness era who can't adapt when facts are introduced, we get it, it was stigmatized by mass hysteria and propaganda in your day, but it was a massive hoax and you need to get with the times, monroe is doing something very good for the NFL by advocating so hard for this. If there is anything to bash the guy for, it's not his stance on medical marijuana, maybe the team-bashing or the entitled selfish way he handled himself in his time here, but not his efforts in advancing the NFL

[Tank 92]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You know... I don't touch any kind of substance, I don't even drink beer, but if I had the platform for it I would absolutely advocate for medical marijuana to be more widely accepted, because it's common sense at this point that weed is safer and more beneficial than most medicines on the market. 

 

Just because he advocates medical usage doesn't mean he wants to retire to smoke weed. And you really don't have to be so condescending about a VERY positive approach to modernizing the NFL for the benefit of the players. He is doing a very good thing for NFL players by pressing for this. I applaud it, and anyone with an ounce of common sense should as well.

Lol......It seems you took an attempt at humor for a condescending remark. It wasn't meant to be negative, but I now see how you could have taken it that way.  It's really not a negative if he wants to smoke weed, or advocate it's use for pain management. 

My point was that it would seem his heart wasn't in his play as early as last year and the Ravens FO could sense it. For people to infer that they cut him because of his advocacy of pot for pain isn't fair. If they thought he was going to perform at the level he was hired to do I'm pretty sure he would still be on the squad.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Pigheaded is exactly the problem. From the government, business owners like goodell, and even from people who come from the reefer madness era who can't adapt when facts are introduced, we get it, it was stigmatized by mass hysteria and propaganda in your day, but it was a massive hoax and you need to get with the times, monroe is doing something very good for the NFL by advocating so hard for this. If there is anything to bash the guy for, it's not his stance on medical marijuana, maybe the team-bashing or the entitled selfish way he handled himself in his time here, but not his efforts in advancing the NFL

It's about strong personalities with divergent opinions.  We've seen enough now to understand that our current outfit will not tolerate them.  They want a group of compliant boy scouts.  The best players we ever had were not compliant boy scouts. Discipline is one thing, riding guys out because you want to be Boss is something else entirely. Its more evidence that our management thinks they can Draft their way out of their personality purges.  They believe the sea is full of fish. However, they've become clumsy fisherman.  And even if they were fishing good, you don't toss an important fish back because he flipped water in your eye.

Edited July 22, 2016 by Danny D

[Guest]

48 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

For people to infer that they cut him because of his advocacy of pot for pain isn't fair. If they thought he was going to perform at the level he was hired to do I'm pretty sure he would still be on the squad.

Theres a video clip of Harbaugh questioned about Monroes Medical Marijuana position out there.  Harbaugh goes stone cold sober and an icy stare crosses over his eyes.  He barely addresses the mounting questions, but  you can see the little dictator thinking.......its not hard......he's thinking...thought bubble....."The Baltimore Pot Smoking Wife Beaters...What would the League think"

We'll see how Stanley fairs.

[rmcjacket23]

50 minutes ago, Danny D said:

It's about strong personalities with divergent opinions.  We've seen enough now to understand that our current outfit will not tolerate them.  They want a group of compliant boy scouts.  The best players we ever had were not compliant boy scouts. Discipline is one thing, riding guys out because you want to be Boss is something else entirely. Its more evidence that our management thinks they can Draft their way out of their personality purges.  They believe the sea is full of fish. However, they've become clumsy fisherman.  And even if they were fishing good, you don't toss an important fish back because he flipped water in your eye.

Name one NFL team that displays "strong personalities with divergent opinions" that consistently wins in the NFL? Don't need some long drawn out response with big words that you use incorrectly. Just a team name.

(Hint: this is a trap question).

[Tiznut]

18 minutes ago, Danny D said:

Theres a video clip of Harbaugh questioned about Monroes Medical Marijuana position out there.  Harbaugh goes stone cold sober and an icy stare crosses over his eyes.  He barely addresses the mounting questions, but  you can see the little dictator thinking.......its not hard......he's thinking...thought bubble....."The Baltimore Pot Smoking Wife Beaters...What would the League think"

We'll see how Stanley fairs.

So full of crap but yeah why not paint a picture that harbaugh is so strong against marijuana that he cut Monroe over it. 

Never mind that he isn't a gay marriage advocate but loved Ayanbadejo. 

Nevermind that he was asked about political issues when both Birk and Ayanbadejo made their very public, very different remarks about same sex marriage. No let's ignore that to try and paint a negative picture because you have nothing of value to add 

[MTRavensFan]

31 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Name one NFL team that displays "strong personalities with divergent opinions" that consistently wins in the NFL? Don't need some long drawn out response with big words that you use incorrectly. Just a team name.

(Hint: this is a trap question).

Richard Sherman has been extremely outspoken about matters of race, Seahawks do OK.

Eagles kept Riley Cooper despite his highly divisive behavior. No, they're not dominant, but have been knocking on the door the last few years.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

13 hours ago, Danny D said:

I have to agree with you.  Don't get me wrong, its not my thing, but the pain reduction issues you outlined I agree with. 

I was not a fan of acquiring Monroe and also not a fan of releasing him at this time.  It's the current decision making I want a divorce from. 20 years is a long time for a G.M. and 9 years Is a long time for a coach. We need new blood with youthful minds.  

No way, go figure.

[trevorsteadman]

12 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Richard Sherman has been extremely outspoken about matters of race, Seahawks do OK.

Eagles kept Riley Cooper despite his highly divisive behavior. No, they're not dominant, but have been knocking on the door the last few years.

Eagles have been no where near contention in a long time. Also no one on the Seahawks has ever argued against Sherman's opinion on race. Not even close to the same topic.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Richard Sherman has been extremely outspoken about matters of race, Seahawks do OK.

Eagles kept Riley Cooper despite his highly divisive behavior. No, they're not dominant, but have been knocking on the door the last few years.

What door have the Eagles been knocking on?

4-12 Reids last year, and then 10-6 two years with Chip but only made the playoffs once, and then last year went 6-10 i think. And thats over a span where the rest of the NFCEast has been equally bad. 

Seahawks are a good pull though. Carroll definitely lets his guys be outspoken... but its starting to show cracks with Bennett mouthing off about his contract and just yesterday asking them to let him go if they dont value him. Lynch retired while still in the heights of his prime. That type of management can only last so long... I mean we saw it firsthand here in Baltimore with Billick and the D of the early 2000's. 

That swagger was part of what made them great and so dominant. But, after a while it led to the inmates running the asylum, coaching stopped being as effective, they became undisciplined - committing stupid penalties in crunch time... The talent from 2006-2007 wasnt all that different, but one was great fielding one of the best defenses ever while 2007 went 4-12 and led to coaching change which put us right back in the AFCCG yearly.

When all the right elements come together, right mix of players and coaches at the right time.... it can work and lead to great results. But, its very difficult to sustain. You give enough rope to certain type of players for long enough they'll eventually hang themselves every time.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Richard Sherman has been extremely outspoken about matters of race, Seahawks do OK.

Eagles kept Riley Cooper despite his highly divisive behavior. No, they're not dominant, but have been knocking on the door the last few years.

LOL, that's not what he's talking about. He's not talking about being outspoken players on subjects completely unrelated to football. He doesn't care about those things.

He's doing what many uneducated fans do... he thinks if you have a different opinion than Harbaugh in regards to football matters, that he benches you, cuts you, etc.

I simply asked for the name of a team where the players on the team show strong, divergent opinions from the coaching staff and the FO in terms of actual football related matters, and if that football team actually wins football games consistently.

The correct answer, hence why I said it was a trap, is none. 

Not sure how the Sherman argument would work anyway, because literally every team has guys who are outspoken on race relations, and pretty much no team can take a contrary stance to what he is saying. I don't even see how that is a divergent opinion. Who's opinion does it differ from?

Edited July 22, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[757RavensFan]

LOL at all of the folks who DON'T know the difference between medical marijuana and the bud you get off the street. 

Especially the ones assuming that all Monroe wants to do is smoke weed and get high. 

[Wildabeast88]

On July 21, 2016 at 9:25 AM, FastEddie said:

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On July 21, 2016 at 1:31 PM, ellicottraven said:

Do you know if any of those teams actually offered him guaranteed money? I'm curious.

Miami, I think they offered him Tunsil as a roommate and at least 5 gas masks

[JoeyFlex5]

11 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Lol......It seems you took an attempt at humor for a condescending remark. It wasn't meant to be negative, but I now see how you could have taken it that way.  It's really not a negative if he wants to smoke weed, or advocate it's use for pain management. 

My point was that it would seem his heart wasn't in his play as early as last year and the Ravens FO could sense it. For people to infer that they cut him because of his advocacy of pot for pain isn't fair. If they thought he was going to perform at the level he was hired to do I'm pretty sure he would still be on the squad.

I gotcha. My bad for the misunderstanding lol. Some people really do see him as a lazy stoner and think that's why he's retiring, I just find that ridiculous lol. 

[JoeyFlex5]

10 hours ago, Danny D said:

Theres a video clip of Harbaugh questioned about Monroes Medical Marijuana position out there.  Harbaugh goes stone cold sober and an icy stare crosses over his eyes.  He barely addresses the mounting questions, but  you can see the little dictator thinking.......its not hard......he's thinking...thought bubble....."The Baltimore Pot Smoking Wife Beaters...What would the League think"

We'll see how Stanley fairs.

Stanley will certainly FARE better than a retired LT

[Guest]

11 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Name one NFL team that displays "strong personalities with divergent opinions" that consistently wins in the NFL? Don't need some long drawn out response with big words that you use incorrectly. Just a team name.

(Hint: this is a trap question).

There are two kinds, those that know and those that don't.  One may not understand the usage of term when one's vocabulary is less expansive.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

22 minutes ago, Danny D said:

There are two kinds, those that know and those that don't.  One may not understand the usage of term when one's vocabulary is less expansive.

And we all know which one you fall under.

 

btw, you still haven't answered his question.

 

oh. I'm pretty sure Alex Lewis assaulted an Air Force officer, and Henry had some kind of problem. But team full of choir boys sure.

Edited July 23, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[JoeyFlex5]

23 minutes ago, Danny D said:

There are two kinds, those that know and those that don't.  One may not understand the usage of term when one's vocabulary is less expansive.

Irrelevant Shakespeare references =/= expansive vocabulary.

[balfan23]

Listened to Monroe on "Mike and Mike" this morning. When asked if he thought that his stance on marijuana was the reason why the team let him go, all he said was "It didn't help". At first, I felt he said it to leave the impression that it at least played a role in the decision, but he went on to say he just wasn't there for the team enough ... "you can't make the club when you're in the tub". 

I think in the end, with Mornoe's move to retire, it speaks to the basic reason why the team parted ways with him and that is because they didn't feel like he had the passion required to play the game. People questioned the club for putting their chips all in on Stanley and for, at a minimum, abandoning needed depth at the tackle position. All the critics could see was his potential to still be a good player, but none of that matters if his heart was no longer in it. 

In the end, all we can do is respect his decision to live his life as he sees fit and wish him well. 

[Tank 92]

"When you come to the fork in the road, take it."    lol