[News] Late For Work 7/20: Five Potential Candidates For Contract Extensions With Ravens

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[whobilly]

Contract for Williams and that's about it. Juice is a nice player, nothing more, nothing less. Aiken depends on the money but he is likely to be offered more money elsewhere. Can't wait for the season to start.

[bioLarzen]

Contract for Williams and that's about it. Juice is a nice player, nothing more, nothing less. Aiken depends on the money but he is likely to be offered more money elsewhere. Can't wait for the season to start.

It's fascinating how the complete media and Ravens Nation goes through it season by seson, expecting that, although the setup is the same, the outcome will somehow still be different... nope, it's not gonna be. very season we have a key player reaching free agency, and we know damn well that he's gonna be way too expensive for us top keep. That's what happened with Grubbs, Ellerbe, Torrey Smith, McPhee and KO. And that's what's gonna happen to Brandon Williams. He could only be retained by either overpaying him - which wee all know Ozzie won't do, or him somehow choosing to stay in Baltimore although he could reap more money elswhere. Players seldom do that - I can only remember one player who actually left money on the table to be a Raven: Jacoby Jones - in fact, he did it twice. Nobody else. And there's no reason to think Brandon williams will do it - that's the way it is in the NFL (and elswhere in life).
So, I think the best thing to do is start getting used to the idea of Brandon Williams departing next summer. He has worked hard enough to help himself to a huge payday - now he will harvest it.

Life in the NFL.

[harfordravenfan]

2 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

It's fascinating how the complete media and Ravens Nation goes through it season by seson, expecting that, although the setup is the same, the outcome will somehow still be different... nope, it's not gonna be. very season we have a key player reaching free agency, and we know damn well that he's gonna be way too expensive for us top keep. That's what happened with Grubbs, Ellerbe, Torrey Smith, McPhee and KO. And that's what's gonna happen to Brandon Williams. He could only be retained by either overpaying him - which wee all know Ozzie won't do, or him somehow choosing to stay in Baltimore although he could reap more money elswhere. Players seldom do that - I can only remember one player who actually left money on the table to be a Raven: Jacoby Jones - in fact, he did it twice. Nobody else. And there's no reason to think Brandon williams will do it - that's the way it is in the NFL (and elswhere in life).
So, I think the best thing to do is start getting used to the idea of Brandon Williams departing next summer. He has worked hard enough to help himself to a huge payday - now he will harvest it.

Life in the NFL.

So true, you'd think when you're talking about 40-60 million $ deals that it would take more than a couple million to uproot the family and leave a good team but gotta feeling a team will throw much more than what we offer at him sadly

[rmcjacket23]

  48 minutes ago, whobilly said:

Contract for Williams and that's about it. Juice is a nice player, nothing more, nothing less. Aiken depends on the money but he is likely to be offered more money elsewhere. Can't wait for the season to start.

It's fascinating how the complete media and Ravens Nation goes through it season by seson, expecting that, although the setup is the same, the outcome will somehow still be different... nope, it's not gonna be. very season we have a key player reaching free agency, and we know damn well that he's gonna be way too expensive for us top keep. That's what happened with Grubbs, Ellerbe, Torrey Smith, McPhee and KO. And that's what's gonna happen to Brandon Williams. He could only be retained by either overpaying him - which wee all know Ozzie won't do, or him somehow choosing to stay in Baltimore although he could reap more money elswhere. Players seldom do that - I can only remember one player who actually left money on the table to be a Raven: Jacoby Jones - in fact, he did it twice. Nobody else. And there's no reason to think Brandon williams will do it - that's the way it is in the NFL (and elswhere in life).
So, I think the best thing to do is start getting used to the idea of Brandon Williams departing next summer. He has worked hard enough to help himself to a huge payday - now he will harvest it.

Life in the NFL.

Ehh, maybe.

There is one major difference I see though... who are we going to spend our money on if its not Brandon Williams?

One of the borderline "benefits" of having a few drafts that didn't pan out well is there's really not much desire to spend quality money on your draft picks.

Its no secret that the 2012 and 2013 drafts weren't that great for us. We got a few good players (KO, Williams, Wagner), but other than that, there's just not much there.

So then you have to ask yourself... where is our money going to go? In all likelihood, it looks like we will have roughly $15-20M to spend before cuts are made (of which I'm assuming there will be several). If we aren't going to make a very strong effort to retain guys like Williams, Wagner, Aiken, etc., who are we spending that money on?

I don't see a sudden shift where we start spending our salary cap budget on FAs, because that's even less of our "style" than not overspending to retain our own guys.

To me, Williams fits the mold of a guy we would normally pay top dollar for in order to retain. The article mentions Malik Jackson's deal, but that's not realistic because they are two different players with two different roles. Damon Harrison's deal makes sense as a benchmark, though that deal also blew away what typical 3-4 NTs get.

Its difficult to put a value on Williams currently, and he may ultimately end up leaving, but with probably more cap space than usual to spend, we are likely to spend it somewhere, and Williams is as good a candidate as any for that money.

[rmcjacket23]

  10 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

It's fascinating how the complete media and Ravens Nation goes through it season by seson, expecting that, although the setup is the same, the outcome will somehow still be different... nope, it's not gonna be. very season we have a key player reaching free agency, and we know damn well that he's gonna be way too expensive for us top keep. That's what happened with Grubbs, Ellerbe, Torrey Smith, McPhee and KO. And that's what's gonna happen to Brandon Williams. He could only be retained by either overpaying him - which wee all know Ozzie won't do, or him somehow choosing to stay in Baltimore although he could reap more money elswhere. Players seldom do that - I can only remember one player who actually left money on the table to be a Raven: Jacoby Jones - in fact, he did it twice. Nobody else. And there's no reason to think Brandon williams will do it - that's the way it is in the NFL (and elswhere in life).
So, I think the best thing to do is start getting used to the idea of Brandon Williams departing next summer. He has worked hard enough to help himself to a huge payday - now he will harvest it.

Life in the NFL.

So true, you'd think when you're talking about 40-60 million $ deals that it would take more than a couple million to uproot the family and leave a good team but gotta feeling a team will throw much more than what we offer at him sadly

Depends on how realistic we are. If Williams agent uses Damon Harrison's deal as a benchmark, then he should slot in somewhere around $9-10M a year.

I don't see teams coming in and paying significantly more than that for somebody who so far is strictly a 3-4 NT who doesn't pass rush well. The higher end DT money goes to pass rushers, and Williams hasn't shown to be that so far.

So the only question is whether the Ravens are willing to offer $9-10M a year to Williams? If they stay down in the $6-7M/year range that 3-4 NTs were typically slotting in at prior to Harrison's deal, then yes, they may get priced out.

[harfordravenfan]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Depends on how realistic we are. If Williams agent uses Damon Harrison's deal as a benchmark, then he should slot in somewhere around $9-10M a year.

I don't see teams coming in and paying significantly more than that for somebody who so far is strictly a 3-4 NT who doesn't pass rush well. The higher end DT money goes to pass rushers, and Williams hasn't shown to be that so far.

So the only question is whether the Ravens are willing to offer $9-10M a year to Williams? If they stay down in the $6-7M/year range that 3-4 NTs were typically slotting in at prior to Harrison's deal, then yes, they may get priced out.

I'm hoping they do offer the 9-10m range, he didn't get the sacks but even double teamed... He s seems to be a handful and disrupts the o-line. Interested in what others may think about this (I'm not as knowledgeable regarding football as many on here)

[fusuymada]

I am glad Marlon Brown is getting another chance, albeit with the Washington team. I thought he showed real promise when he came here but as is the case with all Ravens wide receivers, unless you are a free agent brought in from another team, there is really no development here as is evidenced by the lack of quality receivers the Ravens have developed from their drafts. I don't know, 16 years of failed receiver drafts and nothing is ever done about it. There is never any major off season signing of some high quality receiver coach coming from college or the pro's. It seems we are happy with mediocrity from our receiving scouts and coaches and its just ok to be the worst team in the league for drafting receivers. Which is shocking when there seems to be such an esprit de corps from all the other coaches and positions but here we are talking again about whether or not Perriman, a first round WR pick, will end up being another WR bust.

[stixfix69]

The NT is the key to any 3-4 D, the job isn't to get to the QB but to disrupt the O-Line so the DT, and OLBer have lanes to the QB.....He has done a great job caving in the interior O-Line.....I really hope we can find a way to keep him...

[rmcjacket23]

I am glad Marlon Brown is getting another chance, albeit with the Washington team. I thought he showed real promise when he came here but as is the case with all Ravens wide receivers, unless you are a free agent brought in from another team, there is really no development here as is evidenced by the lack of quality receivers the Ravens have developed from their drafts. I don't know, 16 years of failed receiver drafts and nothing is ever done about it. There is never any major off season signing of some high quality receiver coach coming from college or the pro's. It seems we are happy with mediocrity from our receiving scouts and coaches and its just ok to be the worst team in the league for drafting receivers. Which is shocking when there seems to be such an esprit de corps from all the other coaches and positions but here we are talking again about whether or not Perriman, a first round WR pick, will end up being another WR bust.

Partially true, though I suppose you could look back historically and ask yourself whether have those stud WRs is even worth it.

I'd love to have an AJ Green under a rookie deal, but I'd also understand the inherent problems with the $15M/year contract I'd have to give them after five years, because lets face it, you aren't letting a guy like that go to FA.

You can get several very good players at various positions for $15M a year.

[eze17]

Well, I think we should be able to sign juice for a reasonably priced contract if we want. Although we don't utilize him much, the guy can move the sticks every now and then, plus he is a baller on special teams. How many teams still even use FB packages? He knows the Ravens are one of the few teams that he will get opportunities to play meaningful downs. And like I said, I don't see us having to spend crazy money to extend his contract.

[rmcjacket23]

Well, I think we should be able to sign juice for a reasonably priced contract if we want. Although we don't utilize him much, the guy can move the sticks every now and then, plus he is a baller on special teams. How many teams still even use FB packages? He knows the Ravens are one of the few teams that he will get opportunities to play meaningful downs. And like I said, I don't see us having to spend crazy money to extend his contract.

Not even remotely concerned about locking about Juice. The highest paid FB, Marcel Reece, averages $3.7M per season, and he does a lot more from a ball-carrier and pass catching standpoint.

Most of your fullbacks are slotting in right at $1-2M per season, which is what we would resign Juice for if we choose to do so.

[JimmyBlack]

Williams and Aiken are a priority.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Williams and Aiken are a priority.

Aiken?

[sizzlingdoom]

Only Wagner and Williams. BWILL is a monster, in an awesome way

[sizzlingdoom]

Wish Aiken well but really hope we don't resign him

[The Greek]

i am in agreement about sss. imo he should be limited in his reps every game. these younger guys need to take over and cannot expect smith to be a #1. too many quality te's so i hope trestman can get them involved more. maybe use max and dennis in the slot more as receivers to give sss rest and take pressure off of some of the younger receivers if they are struggling

[Crusader]

i am in agreement about sss. imo he should be limited in his reps every game. these younger guys need to take over and cannot expect smith to be a #1. too many quality te's so i hope trestman can get them involved more. maybe use max and dennis in the slot more as receivers to give sss rest and take pressure off of some of the younger receivers if they are struggling

Yep, but that's not the way this team thinks.