CJ Mosley is designated as the Defensive Captain

[757RavensFan]

Interesting article on RSR, Mosley will wear the green dot. He's responsible for calling all the plays for the defense.  

Standing next to D. Smith who did it all of last year, CJ was in the perfect position to learn what a defensive capt does. 

I recall reading somewhere that Weddle didn't want the responsibility.  Hopefully CJ is up for the task. 

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/07/16/word-on-the-street/mosley-will-wear-the-green-dot/

Edited July 19, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[JoeyFlex5]

He should be the guy as well. Weddle just got here, cj is going on year 3 under pees, hes the man in the middle, weddle can certainly help the secondary line up properly but he's got no business guiding the front seven over a high IQ ILB who's been here for 3 years now.

[757RavensFan]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He should be the guy as well. Weddle just got here, cj is going on year 3 under pees, hes the man in the middle, weddle can certainly help the secondary line up properly but he's got no business guiding the front seven over a high IQ ILB who's been here for 3 years now.

"IF" he were to struggle as the Def Capt, how many games would it take before you gave the responsibility to someone else? 

[FastEddie]

I wouldn't want Weedle to have that role anyway. He should be more focused on making plays rather than managing the rest of the defense.

Just now, 757RavensFan said:

"IF" he were to struggle as the Def Capt, how many games would it take before you gave the responsibility to someone else? 

Maybe the season..? I don't think this is as big of a deal as fans perceive it. Imagine about 80% of Pee's plays he radios in stand without audible

[JoeyFlex5]

3 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

"IF" he were to struggle as the Def Capt, how many games would it take before you gave the responsibility to someone else? 

That's a big hypothetical for a high profile stud who already commanded a pro style defense in Alabama. But If it's truly a communication error up front then I wouldn't let it go past midseason. 

[Jacquouille]

This is a necessary step. Since his rookie season we've all said he should be the leader of our defense, and that our defense should be build around him.

This decision was well thought and the staff has been patient to not give him the Dot too quickly. If he received it, it means everyone, including him, believes he's ready.

 

Young man, time to become elite now.

[redrum52]

10 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

"IF" he were to struggle as the Def Capt, how many games would it take before you gave the responsibility to someone else? 

You don't.  Let him learn.  I'd guess he was drafted with this expectation in mind.

10 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

He should be the guy as well. Weddle just got here, cj is going on year 3 under pees, hes the man in the middle, weddle can certainly help the secondary line up properly but he's got no business guiding the front seven over a high IQ ILB who's been here for 3 years now.

I agree.  Also, if I'm Weddle, I know I'm not going to be here THAT long.  Don't necessarily give it away, but CJ is the future.  How often do safeties have that responsibility anyway?

Edited July 20, 2016 by redrum52

[757RavensFan]

1 minute ago, redrum52 said:

You don't.  Let him learn.  I add unexpected he was drafted with this expectation in mind.

I agree.  Also, if I'm Weddle I know I'm not going to be here THAT long.  Don't necessarily give it away, but CJ is the future.  How often do safeties have that responsibility anyway?

We don't know that. He could be another Ravens player who leaves after their rookie contract for a big pay day.  

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

We don't know that. He could be another Ravens player who leaves after their rookie contract for a big pay day.  

How many first rounders that we actually wanted to keep left for a big pay day after their rookie contract?

We let guys walk... practically never 1st rounders. The only guy I can really think of in probably the last ten years or maybe even longer than that is Ben Grubbs. He's a guy we would have liked to have kept but couldn't afford to.

 

Edited July 19, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[redrum52]

22 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

We don't know that. He could be another Ravens player who leaves after their rookie contract for a big pay day.  

I'd bet money he's re-signed.  One of our highest picks until Stanley at a position where all we know is he's starting and we'll find someone to put next to him.  I'd even bet that he has a deal done before his contract up.  No franchise tag or waiting till the off season of his FA.  I feel MLB contracts are pretty easy to sort out.

Edited July 19, 2016 by redrum52

[FastEddie]

@redrum52

Agreed. No way he is leaving town to sign with another team. Just would not happen....even if he suffered some sort of career jeopardizing injury

(See: Dennis Pitta)

[757RavensFan]

40 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How many first rounders that we actually wanted to keep left for a big pay day after their rookie contract?

We let guys walk... practically never 1st rounders. The only guy I can really think of in probably the last ten years or maybe even longer than that is Ben Grubbs. He's a guy we would have liked to have kept but couldn't afford to.

 

Well there is that. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

58 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

We don't know that. He could be another Ravens player who leaves after their rookie contract for a big pay day.  

You can bank it. CJ's not going anywhere. He's a high 1st round pick who's already among the best at his position regardless of a "down" 2nd year which happened to be a down year for the entire team.

We keep the guys we want to. And, we've had strong MLB and a leader at the position the entire existence of the franchise. They're not going to let that change. If somehow financial issues were making it difficult (which I cant imagine since most of our bigger contracts come off the books in the next couple years) I think they would have no problem releasing other players to make it work.

He's a franchise building block. He'll be here.

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Well there is that. 

Yeah I did some digging:

Guys who signed second deal: Ogden, Ray Lewis, Boulware, McAlister, Jamal Lewis, Heap, Ed Reed, Suggs, Ngata, Flacco, Jimmy

So there's 17 1st round picks in our history who were "eligible" for extensions (through 2011 draft), and 11 of them signed a second contract.

The 6 that didn't were Duane Starks (I honestly don't remember why), Travis Taylor (duh), Kyle Boller (duh), Mark Clayton (duh), Ben Grubbs (the one that got away), and Michael Oher (duh).

So realistically, Grubbs and maybe Duane Starks are the only 1st rounders that we actually wanted to retain and didn't. And I honestly don't even recall the reason why Duane Starks was allowed to walk in FA, so there may have been another reason there. I believe 2002 was the offseason where we had to gut our roster after a failed attempt to repeat in 2001, so that may have had something to do with it.

 

[descent into the maelstrom]

I've seen Ben Grubbs mentioned in a lot of posts as an example of a player we lost because we couldn't afford him.  That example is not proper, as we offered him essentially the same as New Orleans.  Grubbs just wanted to play for them. 

Corey Graham was another player who simply wanted to play for a different, specific team, though I don't recall how close our offer was to the Bills'.

[Kinda_Dante]

13 minutes ago, descent into the maelstrom said:

I've seen Ben Grubbs mentioned in a lot of posts as an example of a player we lost because we couldn't afford him.  That example is not proper, as we offered him essentially the same as New Orleans.  Grubbs just wanted to play for them. 

Corey Graham was another player who simply wanted to play for a different, specific team, though I don't recall how close our offer was to the Bills'.

and iirc the Ravens had to choose between Grubbs and Yanda so he's not really so much the one that got away, we kind of let him sign elsewhere to keep Yanda. 

[rmcjacket23]

15 minutes ago, descent into the maelstrom said:

I've seen Ben Grubbs mentioned in a lot of posts as an example of a player we lost because we couldn't afford him.  That example is not proper, as we offered him essentially the same as New Orleans.  Grubbs just wanted to play for them. 

Corey Graham was another player who simply wanted to play for a different, specific team, though I don't recall how close our offer was to the Bills'.

1. The references were in regards to first round picks that we made, so Cory Graham wouldn't apply.

2. That example still applies, because we simply could have offered more to keep him and he would have stayed. He wouldn't have taken a substantial paycut just to play in NO.

[descent into the maelstrom]

57 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The references were in regards to first round picks that we made, so Cory Graham wouldn't apply.

2. That example still applies, because we simply could have offered more to keep him and he would have stayed. He wouldn't have taken a substantial paycut just to play in NO.

I wasn't using Graham as an example of a first round pick.  Only as another example of a player wanting to play somewhere else.

Re Grubbs, that is heading to a discussion of if we should overpay a first round pick to stay, and I'm not interested in going there.  My point was only that we weren't clearly outbid, unlike the case of KO, for example.  (And yes, I know KO wasn't a first round pick.)

 

I think we can agree that we hope CJ doesn't have a childhood fantasy of playing for the Bengals.

 

Edited July 19, 2016 by descent into the maelstrom
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[Cville-Raven]

There is no way the Ravens let CJ walk after his rookie contract is up. I just have a hard time seeing that happen.

[redrum52]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

1. The references were in regards to first round picks that we made, so Cory Graham wouldn't apply.

2. That example still applies, because we simply could have offered more to keep him and he would have stayed. He wouldn't have taken a substantial paycut just to play in NO.

I'm sure KO isn't too mad at how things worked out.  SB his rookie year and a huge payday for his first real deal.

[Militant X 1]

10 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Interesting article on RSR, Mosley will wear the green dot. He's responsible for calling all the plays for the defense.  

Standing next to D. Smith who did it all of last year, CJ was in the perfect position to learn what a defensive capt does. 

I recall reading somewhere that Weddle didn't want the responsibility.  Hopefully CJ is up for the task. 

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/07/16/word-on-the-street/mosley-will-wear-the-green-dot/

Nice article.  I expect that CJ will do well.

[RaineV1]

9 hours ago, redrum52 said:

I'd bet money he's re-signed.  One of our highest picks until Stanley at a position where all we know is he's starting and we'll find someone to put next to him.  I'd even bet that he has a deal done before his contract up.  No franchise tag or waiting till the off season of his FA.  I feel MLB contracts are pretty easy to sort out.

Yeah. Even Danny Trevathan's contract wasn't that big when he signed with the Bears. Mosley should be affordable.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Is this even a surprise?

CJ Mosley will be the best ILB for the next decade when it is all said and done.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

4 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Is this even a surprise?

CJ Mosley will be the best ILB for the next decade when it is all said and done.

He'll have to develop better skills in coverage to outplay Luke but he's not too far behind. He's go the potential to play well in that facet but hasn't shown it. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

16 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

We don't know that. He could be another Ravens player who leaves after their rookie contract for a big pay day.  

He made 2nd team all pro his rookie year. No way we let a guy this talented leave. 

[Jacquouille]

9 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He'll have to develop better skills in coverage to outplay Luke but he's not too far behind. He's go the potential to play well in that facet but hasn't shown it. 

I think he'll have to make more splash plays. Hit harder, be less quiet and if he could smack talk a bit that would help make his presence felt more around the league.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

2 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

I think he'll have to make more splash plays. Hit harder, be less quiet and if he could smack talk a bit that would help make his presence felt more around the league.

Don't mean to be rude, but who gives a crap about the vocal part of that.. It's not his personality you can still be a good leader without being flamboyant like Ray Lewis was.

[Jacquouille]

28 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Don't mean to be rude, but who gives a crap about the vocal part of that.. It's not his personality you can still be a good leader without being flamboyant like Ray Lewis was.

Yes, that's not what I was talking about. I'm talking about the recognition that he would get around the league. Take a guy like Lavonte, he's elite but quiet so people don't account for him much. I think you have to be a more flashy guy for people to notice you.

[BmoreBird22]

4 hours ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

He'll have to develop better skills in coverage to outplay Luke but he's not too far behind. He's go the potential to play well in that facet but hasn't shown it. 

Gotta be honest, he's vastly behind Luke Kuechly in coverage, although I'd say it's  a wash in run defense, and I give the edge in blitzing to Mosley.

However, the one thing to really set Kuechly apart is he studies so much film that he literally knows the play half the time before the offense even snaps the ball. I don't think Mosley has hit that point.

[Sami84]

he's not in the same stratosphere as luke. AT BEST he could be a timmons. I don't see him being that great ILB that take it to another level.