2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[RaineV1]

The Ravens went into this draft wanting to nail a mid round receiver like some other teams have and it looks like they pulled it off. A healthy Perriman and Moore as the top WRs next year and moving forward could be great. Moore might single-handedly smash the concept that the Ravens can't draft good WRs.

[JoeyFlex5]

who are you guys most excited about seeing with full pads? 

 

im gonna have to say willie henry and bronson kaufusi. so much hype and raw untapped potential with these guys, i wanna know if these guys are ready to light it up now or if its gonna be a growing process. also alex lewis, i really wanna see what this kid can do because i dont think any rookie has gotten as much raving reviews as he has.

[JoeyFlex5]

Just now, RaineV1 said:

The Ravens went into this draft wanting to nail a mid round receiver like some other teams have and it looks like they pulled it off. A healthy Perriman and Moore as the top WRs next year and moving forward could be great. Moore might single-handedly smash the concept that the Ravens can't draft good WRs.

i cant bite on hype trains from training camp. we have heard every single year that a mid round/UDFA WR shows up out of nowhere and the reporters anoint him the savior, and they end up stashed on the PS with no teams even interested. so i temper my expectations.

 

but..... moore appears to be different. after taking a close look at this kid i dont understand how he went 4th round, hes a late 2nd/early 3rd talent. he isnt torrey fast but hes got wheels, and he has something that rookie deep specialists tend to lack, he knows the intricate parts of getting open deep, head and shoulder movements, changing gears to get open instead of stomping on the gas, choppy steps and fake breaks, dropping his head at the right time, taking the right side of the db, and he can track the ball well and he attacks it. this kid is built for our offensive philosophy. 

[Purple Punishment]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i cant bite on hype trains from training camp. we have heard every single year that a mid round/UDFA WR shows up out of nowhere and the reporters anoint him the savior, and they end up stashed on the PS with no teams even interested. so i temper my expectations.

 

but..... moore appears to be different. after taking a close look at this kid i dont understand how he went 4th round, hes a late 2nd/early 3rd talent. he isnt torrey fast but hes got wheels, and he has something that rookie deep specialists tend to lack, he knows the intricate parts of getting open deep, head and shoulder movements, changing gears to get open instead of stomping on the gas, choppy steps and fake breaks, dropping his head at the right time, taking the right side of the db, and he can track the ball well and he attacks it. this kid is built for our offensive philosophy. 

 

I would agree. Even though there's no pads, he looks polished and Flacco had no problem airing it out to him.

[DomMcRaven]

2 hours ago, Purple Punishment said:

He looked amazing, he stood strong in the pocket and ran well on PA passes

 

The O-line did very well at keeping Flacco safe. I was actually surprised at all the time he had to throw. Run blocking was....meh.....

 

On on a different note, IMHO. Chris Moore stole the show today. He lit up the secondary. 

Hopefully this is a testament to him rather than an indictment on our secondary. 

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

who are you guys most excited about seeing with full pads? 

 

im gonna have to say willie henry and bronson kaufusi. so much hype and raw untapped potential with these guys, i wanna know if these guys are ready to light it up now or if its gonna be a growing process. also alex lewis, i really wanna see what this kid can do because i dont think any rookie has gotten as much raving reviews as he has.

Are you talking about rookies or any Raven? 

Rookie: Stanley because I'll be damned if Hurst us going to be our starting LT

Any: Weddle. We have lamented the secondary (rightfully so) for a few years now. Last year, the defense (particularly the pass defense) finished very strong towards the end of the season. I look for Weddle to be the general of the secondary (General Weddle has a nice ring to it providing that he doesn't get hit by the injury bug) so we can have less miscommunication which should hopefully lead to less big plays allowed. Considering the offenses that we're are going to go up against,I just hope (all we can do at this point) the secondary gels soon. 

 

[Stevin]

11 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Williams was a 20 year old rookie and far from top playing shape when the season started. 

 

So yes, leaps and bounds improvement should be expected from a highly talented TE such as maxx Williams in year 2, just like any other high profile rookie. Maxx was quietly a machine towards the end when he started to catch on, and a huge chunk of Crockett's yardage came week 2 when the raiders let him run wild and other than that he was inconsistent. Crockett's a nice 2nd or 3rd option.

 

10 hours ago, EdTheMythicalOne said:

Generally your 2nd TE is a blocker first and that is exactly what Nick Boyle is. He's a block first TE that manages to give you some nice play in the passing game. Meanwhile Maxx is a pass catcher only in reality and not much of a blocker.

Boyle is out 10 games and Crockett is hurt and coming off of shoulder surgery. No wonder he would move up the depth chart some. That being said, he's behind Watson and a healthy Pitta if he makes the squad so regardless of what happens to Gillmore, Maxx is still the 3rd guy in that scenario.

in my opinion Maxx still behind Crockett. and they are not even close ... Crockett much more(much more!) better in blocking , breaking tackles. his movement and catching pretty good too. only consern - injuries. Gillmore - №1 , Pitta , Watson , and only here Maxx.
offcourse everybody expect improvement from 2nd year player , and he probably can do that but not so much. for now Maxx  just can't be better than this 3 guys , just bcoz of skillset and expirience they have

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, Stevin said:

 

in my opinion Maxx still behind Crockett. and they are not even close ... Crockett much more(much more!) better in blocking , breaking tackles. his movement and catching pretty good too. only consern - injuries. Gillmore - №1 , Pitta , Watson , and only here Maxx.
offcourse everybody expect improvement from 2nd year player , and he probably can do that but not so much. for now Maxx  just can't be better than this 3 guys , just bcoz of skillset and expirience they have

crockett is extremely clumsy, he lacks a good bit of motor skills and its a surprise he gets open without tripping over his feet and he lacks control, when he gets the ball in his hands, watch out because hes hard to bring down, probably one of the most underrated power runners in the league, but maxx williams is smooth as butter in his routes, and based on his college tape he may have some of the best hands in the league, he is very strong and tough to knock off his path to the ball with vice grip hands for the contested catch and soft hands for the routine catch, and he isnt no cupcake either in the YAC or blocking department. 

 

honestly it sounds like you may just be overrating crockett, which is pretty common. the guys reputation has been seriously inflated by his week 2 game @ oakland.

[Stevin]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

honestly it sounds like you may just be overrating crockett, which is pretty common. the guys reputation has been seriously inflated by his week 2 game @ oakland.

I never mentioned this game , and you keep doing that. I'm a  Crockett fan since his rookie year.

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

and based on his college tape he may have some of the best hands in the league

oh , you  still judging Maxx by his minnesota tape? okey

I didn's say that he have no talant! offcourse he have , but not enought to beat our other guys right now. mb later , mb next season...) imho

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, Stevin said:

I never mentioned this game , and you keep doing that. I'm a  Crockett fan since his rookie year.

oh , you  still judging Maxx by his minnesota tape? okey

I didn's say that he have no talant! offcourse he have , but not enought to beat our other guys right now. mb later , mb next season...) imho

dont get me wrong im a crockett fan too, but i honestly think that if he didnt have such an incredible game against oakland that he would be considered "solid" by most ravens fans, but i think that one game inflated his stock a good bit, like willie brown who was a nobody but when he got 2 picks in the super bowl he got a big fat contract and then disappeared. all im saying is that maxx does most things in the receiving better than crockett and just hasnt had the chance to show it yet. by the time maxx caught on it was basically garbage time for us, we were on our 3rd or 4th qb facing starting defenses and maxx was one of our best targets in the last quarter of the season. with a legit opportunity i dont think people will be pulling for crockett over maxx anymore lol

[Stevin]

33 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

dont get me wrong im a crockett fan too, but i honestly think that if he didnt have such an incredible game against oakland that he would be considered "solid" by most ravens fans, but i think that one game inflated his stock a good bit

for me that game wasn't surprise , i wasn't shoked. for me it was like "ok. that's how he should play every game...just give him opportunity"
when we talk about Maxx it's all about his potential , but he didn't show anything special yet

[JoeyFlex5]

46 minutes ago, Stevin said:

for me that game wasn't surprise , i wasn't shoked. for me it was like "ok. that's how he should play every game...just give him opportunity"
when we talk about Maxx it's all about his potential , but he didn't show anything special yet

neither did crockett lol. he had one game against a secondary even worse than ours, where nobody was even attempting to wrap him up, i mean it was the most pathetic display of tackling ive ever seen, and not a single receiver was covered the whole game, and outside of that crockett really didnt do anything special, he was inconsistent with the occasional leaping grab or catch and rumble. in the last quarter of the season maxx wasnt just showing potential, he was showing his skill set, he was a reliable and consistent target who got open and caught nearly everything thrown his way. 

 

honestly, crockett is not that special, youre overrating him quite a bit. he will never come close to that kind of performance again unless the team once again just doesnt even attempt to tackle or cover him. i mean twice last season, flacco lobbed a game winner for him to go up and get in the endzone, and it resulted in a pick both times, the first time it was in both of his hands but he let it get stripped, the 2nd time it was right on the money but he got his route cut short by the db and he didnt even attempt to go up so basically he got outmanned by a dude 6 inches shorter and probably 50 lbs lighter, your 6'6" TE absolutely has to make those plays, those balls are on the money and your TE has to have the coordination to time his jump and clamp down on that ball and not lose it under any circumstance, and he lost it both times. a special TE doesnt let that happen. we'll see if maxx is that special kind of TE, he may not be that antonio gates box-out and highpoint redzone threat, but neither is crockett, and maxx does a lot of things better than crockett and as strong as his hands are i wouldnt be surprised if he makes a better redzone threat as well.

[Stevin]

38 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

neither did crockett lol. he had one game against a secondary even worse than ours, where nobody was even attempting to wrap him up, i mean it was the most pathetic display of tackling ive ever seen, and not a single receiver was covered the whole game, and outside of that crockett really didnt do anything special, he was inconsistent with the occasional leaping grab or catch and rumble. in the last quarter of the season maxx wasnt just showing potential, he was showing his skill set, he was a reliable and consistent target who got open and caught nearly everything thrown his way. 

you still about that game vs raiders? comeon man

 

39 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

honestly, crockett is not that special, youre overrating him quite a bit. he will never come close to that kind of performance again unless the team once again just doesnt even attempt to tackle or cover him. i mean twice last season, flacco lobbed a game winner for him to go up and get in the endzone, and it resulted in a pick both times, the first time it was in both of his hands but he let it get stripped, the 2nd time it was right on the money but he got his route cut short by the db and he didnt even attempt to go up so basically he got outmanned by a dude 6 inches shorter and probably 50 lbs lighter, your 6'6" TE absolutely has to make those plays, those balls are on the money and your TE has to have the coordination to time his jump and clamp down on that ball and not lose it under any circumstance, and he lost it both times. a special TE doesnt let that happen.

yeah Crockett make mistakes sometime , who doesn't ? SSS dropped in the end zone in one of this games. it happends...
i didn't call him perfect , or "top te in nfl". mb you forget but he is still young player , have alot to improve , actually he didn't play much yet. and yes , he didn't show much , but he show more than Maxx. 
Maxx cool , i'm didn't denied that. he's better in some ways but overall he's not.
 imho )

[Somerset Ravens]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

dont get me wrong im a crockett fan too, but i honestly think that if he didnt have such an incredible game against oakland that he would be considered "solid" by most ravens fans, but i think that one game inflated his stock a good bit, like willie brown who was a nobody but when he got 2 picks in the super bowl he got a big fat contract and then disappeared. all im saying is that maxx does most things in the receiving better than crockett and just hasnt had the chance to show it yet. by the time maxx caught on it was basically garbage time for us, we were on our 3rd or 4th qb facing starting defenses and maxx was one of our best targets in the last quarter of the season. with a legit opportunity i dont think people will be pulling for crockett over maxx anymore lol

Willie Brown was a very good player. He had 54 career interceptions and went to 9 pro bowls. I think you were thinking of Larry Brown.

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, Somerset Ravens said:

Willie Brown was a very good player. He had 54 career interceptions and went to 9 pro bowls. I think you were thinking of Larry Brown.

Yeah that's who lol.

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, Stevin said:

you still about that game vs raiders? comeon man

 

yeah Crockett make mistakes sometime , who doesn't ? SSS dropped in the end zone in one of this games. it happends...
i didn't call him perfect , or "top te in nfl". mb you forget but he is still young player , have alot to improve , actually he didn't play much yet. and yes , he didn't show much , but he show more than Maxx. 
Maxx cool , i'm didn't denied that. he's better in some ways but overall he's not.
 imho )

All I'm saying is... You can eliminate one game from his career and he looks very pedestrian, and if you eliminate that one game then their 2015 seasons arent that far apart.

[Edgar]

Anyway you slice it,  Maxx is buried in the depth chart right now. It's unfortunate.

If Maxx were a Steeler you would see a burgeoning star.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Full pads! Yeaaaaah!

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

8 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

The Ravens went into this draft wanting to nail a mid round receiver like some other teams have and it looks like they pulled it off. A healthy Perriman and Moore as the top WRs next year and moving forward could be great. Moore might single-handedly smash the concept that the Ravens can't draft good WRs.

It could also be one of the worst WR duos in the league. 

Cant say they nailed anything yet after just one or two positive camp reports. 

Its encouraging for sure. And don't get me wrong - I love Perriman and think he's going to be a stud. But I have to keep in mind that he could stink and never develop. 

Moore looks like a really good prospect too. Love his potential, his skill set, and he's got a knack for beating guys deep - but we've yet to even see him in pads. 

Like the enthusiasm and it's possible but I'd stop short of saying we nailed the pick or that these two are going to have substantial NFL success. 

[rmw10]

Ravens signed P Michael Palardy. He's a lefty, so I imagine this is to give the returners some different looks and challenges. 

[BmoreBird22]

I think people seriously underrate Maxx Williams. He is definitely a much better blocker than Nick Boyle and the only thing really stopping him from being better than Crockett is that Maxx needed to tone up a bit and trim off some of the fat. He was years old as a rookie, so I'd be inclined to think that his body was still undergoing some maturation. 

One thing I really like about Maxx as a blocker over Crockett is that Maxx can get to the second level and become a blocker there. Crockett just kinda lumbers around and is lanky when moving, so I don't think he'll ever be effective in the second level. Maxx, on the other hand, is just so smooth in his movements and everything just looks effortless with him. He just can move so easily and it's going to help him get on the field more on run downs, assuming he's bulked up a bit. 

Maxx still has a little work to do as a route runner, but as Joey pointed out, you can see the improvements from week 1 to 17. Is it a coincidence that he started averaging roughly four catches a game from the 49ers on? No, not really. He just started to understand the game more. 

One thing I also really like is that unlike Crockett (looking at the Denver and Cardinals games), Maxx gives supreme effort on every single play. In that first Bengals game, Maxx absolutely laid out for a near impossible catch and almost made it. Almost no receivers were going to catch that, but Maxx went out there and gave effort like it was his last play ever. As a receiver, he just has way better body control, way higher effort, and a wider radius that allows him to pull in catches from almost anywhere.

Crockett, to me, is the ideal complimentary tight end. He blocks fairly well (could be better, for sure) and he can catch and break tackles, but he just lumbers about and looks goofy to the point that he has to rely solely on size, not the nuances of route running.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

All I'm saying is... You can eliminate one game from his career and he looks very pedestrian, and if you eliminate that one game then their 2015 seasons arent that far apart.

Crockett did miss multiple games though. 

I love both. I think Maxx has the upside to be a great receiver... A Dallas Clark or maybe a Jason Witten (not saying he'll be as productive necessarily just style) type player. That's a great weapon to have in the current NFL. 

But Gillmores got unteachable size and strength and is pretty agile for his size. He's a much better blocker and is growing into a pass catcher. 

And that's the thing - Maxx's forte is supposed to be catching the ball. Crockett was supposed to be a blocker that might have some upside as a receiver. And Crocketts really impressed me thus far. 

It's not so much the numbers. He's made some tough catches and his ability after the catch is great. On multiple occasions he's blown up would be tacklers and dragged guys for extra yards or to get in the end zone. 

Hes got Gronk-lite potential. Match up nightmare that can be open even when he's not. Granted he's got a LONG way to go and needs to get healthy but his all around game could be scary. 

Not take anything from Maxx. He looked very good his 1st year and I expect him to take a leap this year. They could be the best TE duo in the league in 3-4 years. Just think Gillmores got natural gifts to do things Maxx will never be able to, while Maxx has more craftiness, better hands, and makes circus catches in traffic. 

Love both and could see either one or both really blow up. Just saying I could certainly understand someone liking Gillmore more and seeing more upside. Just depends on what you want. 

[Moderator 3]

13 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

Ravens signed P Michael Palardy. He's a lefty, so I imagine this is to give the returners some different looks and challenges. 

Good idea, especially since we're still looking for a returner.

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I think people seriously underrate Maxx Williams. He is definitely a much better blocker than Nick Boyle and the only thing really stopping him from being better than Crockett is that Maxx needed to tone up a bit and trim off some of the fat. He was years old as a rookie, so I'd be inclined to think that his body was still undergoing some maturation. 

I think Maxx is one of the few where a certain poster might have been right about him needing to lose some of the bad weight and add on some muscle.

[Moderator 3]

Could we PLEASE stick to training camp updates/discussions?  There are plenty of other threads for in depth conversations about other things.  Thanks.

[ludy51]

Good to see Powers passed his conditioning test

[rmw10]

As I thought.

 

[Moderator 3]

Per Hensley: Ravens DT Timmy Jernigan left the field midway through practice and did not return es.pn/2aokpeY

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

52 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Per Hensley: Ravens DT Timmy Jernigan left the field midway through practice and did not return es.pn/2aokpeY

Oh great. Any specifics as to what this is?

Seriously, we can't catch a break

[rmw10]

Just now, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Oh great. Any specifics as to what this is?

Seriously, we can't catch a break

Per Hensley:

Ravens DT Timmy Jernigan suffered a minor rib area strain in Saturday's practice. Not considered serious. es.pn/2aore01

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

Oh great. Any specifics as to what this is?

Seriously, we can't catch a break

It happens to every team. The first day of pads is going to bring on bumps, bruises and injuries. It's expected.  Just hope it's minor. 

Edited July 30, 2016 by 757RavensFan