2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[RayRocks]

Hope Crockett is alright... He can be such a huge part of this offense if he's healthy.

[Sami84]

boy this team just cant stay healthy..

[redrum52]

27 minutes ago, Sami84 said:

boy this team just cant stay healthy..

Hamstrings are common at this point.  Nothing serious if it's not a tear.

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/07/29/camp-notes/ravens-defensive-backs-dime-defense/ 

Speaks on the amount of dbs on the field last year.

 

Interesting to see.  It always seemed there were so many bad dbs on the field at once, but my eyes must've deceived me.  Also, helps explain why this draft seemed to have a lot of defensive versatility.  More I think about it, I see Webb bl having more success at fs.

Edited July 29, 2016 by redrum52

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

@sportguyRSR

Disappointing, but not shocking since this is his first practice after those screws were removed

[JoeLewis]

Very excited with Tavon Young

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Hate to hear Crockett struggling with injuries, even if its just minor. It hasnt been too much major stuff with him, just minor and nagging type stuff but its clearly effected his availability in the past.

Im sure its nothing though and he'll be back on the field in a couple days.

Also, very nice to see Young displaying his ball skills with the 2nd team. I mean, when Powers, Wright and Price were getting their praise it was with Mallett throwing against them - so, Young's on a level playing field in terms of the guy throwing at him.

The depth in the secondary should be the most improved unit on the team.

[Purple Punishment]

Gotta say, when I seen Chris Moore burn Jimmy 1 on 1 for a 60yd TD, I didn't know how to act. 

 

Wallace stayed after Practice on the Juggs machine for about a half hour. Dedication. 

 

Juice was was looking beastly, catching everything that was thrown at him and grabbing extra yards even though he was running with the 2s

 

Crocket stayed on the sidelines and was there at the end of practice. 

 

Pitta looked really good too

[redrum52]

7 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Hate to hear Crockett struggling with injuries, even if its just minor. It hasnt been too much major stuff with him, just minor and nagging type stuff but its clearly effected his availability in the past.

Im sure its nothing though and he'll be back on the field in a couple days.

Also, very nice to see Young displaying his ball skills with the 2nd team. I mean, when Powers, Wright and Price were getting their praise it was with Mallett throwing against them - so, Young's on a level playing field in terms of the guy throwing at him.

The depth in the secondary should be the most improved unit on the team.

I'm not so sure about this secondary depth yet.  I doubt Arrington just got better riding the bench and that leaves us trusting 2 rooks if someone goes down.  Maybe move Webb back to cb and have one of the other underperforming safeties filling in, but I still don't think the cb position was properly addressed.  I know, everything can't be fixed at once.

 

[trevorsteadman]

Just now, redrum52 said:

I'm not so sure about this secondary depth yet.  I doubt Arrington just got better riding the bench and that leaves us trusting 2 rooks if someone goes down.  Maybe move Webb back to cb and have one of the other underperforming safeties filling in, but I still don't think the cb position was properly addressed.  I know, everything can't be fixed at once.

 

Powers will surprise everyone. Getting Davis and adding Powers makes the secondary light years ahead of last season.

[redrum52]

7 minutes ago, trevorsteadman said:

Powers will surprise everyone. Getting Davis and adding Powers makes the secondary light years ahead of last season.

Completely forgot about Davis, but he's coming back from an ACL anyway.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I'm not so sure about this secondary depth yet.  I doubt Arrington just got better riding the bench and that leaves us trusting 2 rooks if someone goes down.  Maybe move Webb back to cb and have one of the other underperforming safeties filling in, but I still don't think the cb position was properly addressed.  I know, everything can't be fixed at once.

 

Powers should be a huge upgrade at nickel. Davis should compete there and outside.

Jimmy and Shareece should hold down the outside, but as i said Davis is likely an improvement over any depth we had there last year and supposedly Price has been a standout playing with the 1's. That could give us 2 CBs as depth, better than anyone we had behind Jimmy and Wright last year.

And Webb/Weddle should be way better than the starters there last year, and Lewis improved down the stretch last year so with him only having to rotate in that should help. Plus it gives us the flexibility in certain packages to line him up with Weddle as a safety and drop Webb down in the slot or to cover someone 1-on-1 on the outside.

Talent was added to the top, middle, and bottom of the depth chart. No - there isnt 1 overwhelmingly huge upgrade (except maybe Weddle) but if your starters are a little better (weddle, webb and powers), your first wave of backups are a little better, and the bottom of the depth chart is improved - all together it adds up to something pretty noticeable.

Young and Canady impressed early, but idont expect much this year. Anything they give would be great and more than we got from our rookies last year, so there is that.

But Jimmy should be healthier and better, Wright in his 2nd year in the system should improve, Davis coming back is better than him injured, Powers is better in the nickel than what we had last year, and Price has looked great so far according to reports. Arrington was basically our 3rd guy at CB last year and he probably wont make the team. So - that says something.

 

We saw huge improvement at the end of last year - ranking 1st in Pass D over the 2nd half. And we're much better from a talent stand point now. I dont expect to be #1 or anything, but we should be much better than we were for much of last year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If Pitta somehow stays healthy this season then there is no need to worry as much about Crockett. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 minute ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

If Pitta somehow stays healthy this season then there is no need to worry as much about Crockett. 

I still will.

Crocketts a different beast all together. Pittas a movement guy who gets open running routes and with quickness.

Gillmore is an in-line beast who can block, is near impossible to bring down at times, hard to cover for a DB, and is bigger than many LBs.

We'll still get production at TE, but we wont have that diversity. Gillmores got the most potential for me in terms of our TEs bc hes got that blend of pure size and athleticism that can be taught, and when the route running and technique is added to it can be near impossible to defend (like a Gronk-lite).

[redlobster]

how did flacco look?

[berad]

43 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I still will.

Crocketts a different beast all together. Pittas a movement guy who gets open running routes and with quickness.

Gillmore is an in-line beast who can block, is near impossible to bring down at times, hard to cover for a DB, and is bigger than many LBs.

We'll still get production at TE, but we wont have that diversity. Gillmores got the most potential for me in terms of our TEs bc hes got that blend of pure size and athleticism that can be taught, and when the route running and technique is added to it can be near impossible to defend (like a Gronk-lite).

Agree, health is the biggest thing holding him back

[Tank 92]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Powers should be a huge upgrade at nickel. Davis should compete there and outside.

Jimmy and Shareece should hold down the outside, but as i said Davis is likely an improvement over any depth we had there last year and supposedly Price has been a standout playing with the 1's. That could give us 2 CBs as depth, better than anyone we had behind Jimmy and Wright last year.

And Webb/Weddle should be way better than the starters there last year, and Lewis improved down the stretch last year so with him only having to rotate in that should help. Plus it gives us the flexibility in certain packages to line him up with Weddle as a safety and drop Webb down in the slot or to cover someone 1-on-1 on the outside.

Talent was added to the top, middle, and bottom of the depth chart. No - there isnt 1 overwhelmingly huge upgrade (except maybe Weddle) but if your starters are a little better (weddle, webb and powers), your first wave of backups are a little better, and the bottom of the depth chart is improved - all together it adds up to something pretty noticeable.

Young and Canady impressed early, but idont expect much this year. Anything they give would be great and more than we got from our rookies last year, so there is that.

But Jimmy should be healthier and better, Wright in his 2nd year in the system should improve, Davis coming back is better than him injured, Powers is better in the nickel than what we had last year, and Price has looked great so far according to reports. Arrington was basically our 3rd guy at CB last year and he probably wont make the team. So - that says something.

 

We saw huge improvement at the end of last year - ranking 1st in Pass D over the 2nd half. And we're much better from a talent stand point now. I dont expect to be #1 or anything, but we should be much better than we were for much of last year.

Have to mention what could be the most important addition to the secondary, Leslie Frazier.

[trevorsteadman]

39 minutes ago, redlobster said:

how did flacco look?

So far from what I read it looks like he hasn't lost a beat. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I wonder if we should worry about the report on jimmy or if its a result of the screw procedure...

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wonder if we should worry about the report on jimmy or if its a result of the screw procedure...

It was his first practice back and Aiken was showing really well last year.

I wouldn't worry yet

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wonder if we should worry about the report on jimmy or if its a result of the screw procedure...

Day 2 and they're still in shorts and shells. Too early to make any determinations for anyone. 

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

I wonder if we should worry about the report on jimmy or if its a result of the screw procedure...

I would wait awhile to access him because he got his screws out only like a month or two ago. Probably won't be 100% for another month or so.

[JoeyFlex5]

Let's hope that's all it is then. 

 

As for Crockett.. He's shown to be prone to nagging minor injuries and hamstrings suck because they have such a high probability of recurring over and over through the year, I'm not too worried though because I think he may be the 4th TE by the start of the season. Max, Watson, and pitta are all better receivers and maxx and Watson are solid blockers.

[trevorsteadman]

9 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Let's hope that's all it is then. 

 

As for Crockett.. He's shown to be prone to nagging minor injuries and hamstrings suck because they have such a high probability of recurring over and over through the year, I'm not too worried though because I think he may be the 4th TE by the start of the season. Max, Watson, and pitta are all better receivers and maxx and Watson are solid blockers.

I think if you go back and look a lot of the articles placed his recovery at about the start of training camp.. So having him being a full participant is probably a great sign. Probably still in the recovering process to get back to football form.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

Main thing I am looking for is no major injuries in camp. Won't take too much stock into who looks good. Guys who look routinely over matched or out of sync would concern me though.

[Stevin]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Max, Watson, and pitta are all better receivers and maxx and Watson are solid blockers.

Maxx was 3rd TE when season 15 started , even behind Boyle... why is that? and now he is ahead of Crockett? rly? 
so much improvement... 

[JoeyFlex5]

14 minutes ago, Stevin said:

Maxx was 3rd TE when season 15 started , even behind Boyle... why is that? and now he is ahead of Crockett? rly? 
so much improvement... 

Williams was a 20 year old rookie and far from top playing shape when the season started. 

 

So yes, leaps and bounds improvement should be expected from a highly talented TE such as maxx Williams in year 2, just like any other high profile rookie. Maxx was quietly a machine towards the end when he started to catch on, and a huge chunk of Crockett's yardage came week 2 when the raiders let him run wild and other than that he was inconsistent. Crockett's a nice 2nd or 3rd option.

[EdTheMythicalOne]

35 minutes ago, Stevin said:

Maxx was 3rd TE when season 15 started , even behind Boyle... why is that? and now he is ahead of Crockett? rly? 
so much improvement... 

Generally your 2nd TE is a blocker first and that is exactly what Nick Boyle is. He's a block first TE that manages to give you some nice play in the passing game. Meanwhile Maxx is a pass catcher only in reality and not much of a blocker.

Boyle is out 10 games and Crockett is hurt and coming off of shoulder surgery. No wonder he would move up the depth chart some. That being said, he's behind Watson and a healthy Pitta if he makes the squad so regardless of what happens to Gillmore, Maxx is still the 3rd guy in that scenario.

[Steve0x]

Heres the big Question. How is that offensive line? Can they allow Forsett to run around and can they protect Flacco enough to set up a passing play.

[Deflated Football]

Not sure if this was said on here yet, but apparently Sr. had a double rupture of his Achilles and it looked like "raw, shredded chicken" according to his wife. He's a beast, but I'm really glad we have a lot more depth at the WR position this season as opposed to last. 

[Purple Punishment]

9 hours ago, redlobster said:

how did flacco look?

He looked amazing, he stood strong in the pocket and ran well on PA passes

 

5 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Heres the big Question. How is that offensive line? Can they allow Forsett to run around and can they protect Flacco enough to set up a passing play.

The O-line did very well at keeping Flacco safe. I was actually surprised at all the time he had to throw. Run blocking was....meh.....

 

On on a different note, IMHO. Chris Moore stole the show today. He lit up the secondary.