2016 Training Camp post/Updates

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

8 hours ago, rmw10 said:

 

But "Big Stanley is terrible"... 

 

Just saying. The people at PFF know what to look for. I think/hope that he's going to be a gem. 

[Cillmatic]

The Bills game is gonna be MAGIC. Imagine if the atmosphere if Perriman actually PLAYS in week 1. Then imagine if he scores a TD on a deep pass, the forums might literally crash.

Edited August 24, 2016 by Cillmatic

[rmw10]

39 minutes ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

But "Big Stanley is terrible"... 

 

Just saying. The people at PFF know what to look for. I think/hope that he's going to be a gem. 

I'm not big on PFF, but one area where I really do trust them is OL.  Very hard to judge by the standard individual.

[kjbmore]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

Matthews doesn't use his size very well. I can't see him cracking the top 6 WR roster, even if healthy.

Even if Matthews doesn't crack it, think we need to try and nail that type of player down - big, strong can just go up and get it - just like boldin did for us so well. If and hopefully camp stays healthy and our speedsters work out - next piece - big strong handed receiver. Why did we let boldin walk - still smh thinking about that

[jazz1988]

4 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

Even if Matthews doesn't crack it, think we need to try and nail that type of player down - big, strong can just go up and get it - just like boldin did for us so well. If and hopefully camp stays healthy and our speedsters work out - next piece - big strong handed receiver. Why did we let boldin walk - still smh thinking about that

I think  Aiken could be that guy if not already and The Ravens do have their tightends as well..

[kjbmore]

15 minutes ago, jazz1988 said:

I think  Aiken could be that guy if not already and The Ravens do have their tightends as well..

I feel Aiken is serviceable but I'd like more than serviceable- I just keep rolling back to out SB winning side boldin, torrey, jacoby- can we win a SB with Aiken as one of our main targets?

Just hoping if perriman, Moore, camp work out - we add a big strong receiver to mix in. 

With our young tight ends and backs - hopefully it's a solid group moving forward 

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, Cillmatic said:

The Bills game is gonna be MAGIC. Imagine if the atmosphere if Perriman actually PLAYS in week 1. Then imagine if he scores a TD on a deep pass, the forums might literally crash.

I'm hoping it can go like Torrey's first game.

[Wildabeast88]

7 hours ago, Cillmatic said:

Here's to the draftee's proving the critics wrong.

And by critics you mean the 60% of the board who said Ozzie has lost it and crushed every pick. In Ozzie I trust. Love it the guys re playing ball and just think add BP to the mix and let's see where we go

[redrum52]

10 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

I feel Aiken is serviceable but I'd like more than serviceable- I just keep rolling back to out SB winning side boldin, torrey, jacoby- can we win a SB with Aiken as one of our main targets?

Just hoping if perriman, Moore, camp work out - we add a big strong receiver to mix in. 

With our young tight ends and backs - hopefully it's a solid group moving forward 

Aiken is more than serviceable.  The way we operate, he's perfect for our type of system.  Most important, he's a pretty damn reliable target.

[Wildabeast88]

13 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

I feel Aiken is serviceable but I'd like more than serviceable- I just keep rolling back to out SB winning side boldin, torrey, jacoby- can we win a SB with Aiken as one of our main targets?

Just hoping if perriman, Moore, camp work out - we add a big strong receiver to mix in. 

With our young tight ends and backs - hopefully it's a solid group moving forward 

He's more than serviceable he was a top tier WR the 2nd half and I believe better than those guys with Boldin being the closest 

[Wildabeast88]

6 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I'm hoping it can go like Torrey's first game.

I hope you mean his 3rd game he was fairly quiet his first 2 if I remember correctly but I hope BP crushes it looking forward to a great year I am pumped. Come on Sept 11

[kjbmore]

36 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

He's more than serviceable he was a top tier WR the 2nd half and I believe better than those guys with Boldin being the closest 

You'd rather have Aiken over Boldin - seriously??

Edited August 24, 2016 by kjbmore

[allblackraven]

Just now, kjbmore said:

You'd rather have Aiken over Boldin - seriously??

Are you freaking kidding me? 

[Newsome is Awesome]

1 hour ago, LosT_in_TranSlatioN said:

But "Big Stanley is terrible"... 

 

Just saying. The people at PFF know what to look for. I think/hope that he's going to be a gem. 

What you'll find is that Big Stanley has predominantly faced 2nd and 3rd stringers.  He's done an adequate job in that capacity, but there's been more going on than PFF or RSR are going to be capable of deciphering. 

The primary issue is snaps vs non starters, but there is more.

The average time the QB's are holding the ball is very short. PFF discuss that?  What about RSR?  The reason is those entities are not comprehensive. They are actually creating numbers for situations against non starters and in situations where the ball is held for extremely short periods of time. The latter is Trestman's influence.

Indy used players that laid way off our receivers. Reminded me immensely of the Patriot playoff game loss in 2014.  We couldn't cover close either.

Anyway, I'd be real careful in drawing conclusions before the season begins. That scene you've posted is a quick release again and if the play wasn't over in short order, it may not have been as good a block as implied. 

[Newsome is Awesome]

8 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

You'd rather have Aiken over Boldin - seriously??

That's why arguing here is almost pointless. You have to wait for game results. We'll discuss them frequently this year.

[Maryland]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I'm not big on PFF, but one area where I really do trust them is OL.  Very hard to judge by the standard individual.

It's impossible to accurately grade an individual on the OL without knowing the blocking assignments on a given play, but they provide a general idea for O-Linemen. PFF is (or was) most useful for their signature stats, which they seem to no longer offer for regular consumers. 

[kjbmore]

37 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

He's more than serviceable he was a top tier WR the 2nd half and I believe better than those guys with Boldin being the closest 

are we comparing - sb boldin (catch everything thrown my way, with defenders draped all over me) or boldin now 

im thinking your comparing sb boldin - vs second half 15 aiken

detroit lions boldin vs aiken now yeah id probably lean to aiken too - if it was for one game - to win say go out and win a sb  - id prob rather have detroit boldin (we'll get a close look at him on the weekend)

lets hope kamar goes out there and balls out - he earned a bigger look moving forward - i hope he brings it

this is probably sss last season, if our other young pieces fit, work out - for next season - im just thinking of a big strong wr to add to the equation

hopefully we look like - moore, perriman, wallace, camp, aiken going into next season - i just see an opportunity for a big strong guy to add to that group

[redrum52]

52 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

I hope you mean his 3rd game he was fairly quiet his first 2 if I remember correctly but I hope BP crushes it looking forward to a great year I am pumped. Come on Sept 11

I know it was week 3, but wasn't that his first game starting?  That's what I meant... you get the point.

[Wildabeast88]

31 minutes ago, kjbmore said:

are we comparing - sb boldin (catch everything thrown my way, with defenders draped all over me) or boldin now 

im thinking your comparing sb boldin - vs second half 15 aiken

detroit lions boldin vs aiken now yeah id probably lean to aiken too - if it was for one game - to win say go out and win a sb  - id prob rather have detroit boldin (we'll get a close look at him on the weekend)

lets hope kamar goes out there and balls out - he earned a bigger look moving forward - i hope he brings it

this is probably sss last season, if our other young pieces fit, work out - for next season - im just thinking of a big strong wr to add to the equation

hopefully we look like - moore, perriman, wallace, camp, aiken going into next season - i just see an opportunity for a big strong guy to add to that group

Trust me I'm a Huge Boldin guy he was super clutch and be was one of my favorites, but if we check the stats I get it but here it is

Aiken 75 944 5 

Boldin 2010 64 837 7

Boldin 2011 58 887 3

Boldin 2012 65 921 4 

i get you can't place a price on clutch I'm just saying the Boldin in Ltimore wasn't the Arizona Boldin but the stats are very comparable like I said previously they were close.

[Wildabeast88]

21 minutes ago, redrum52 said:

I know it was week 3, but wasn't that his first game starting?  That's what I meant... you get the point.

Yeah I forgot he didn't start the first 2 my bad I get what you are saying I just remember because I had Torrey on my fantasy team for that game

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Trust me I'm a Huge Boldin guy he was super clutch and be was one of my favorites, but if we check the stats I get it but here it is

Aiken 75 944 5 

Boldin 2010 64 837 7

Boldin 2011 58 887 3

Boldin 2012 65 921 4 

i get you can't place a price on clutch I'm just saying the Boldin in Ltimore wasn't the Arizona Boldin but the stats are very comparable like I said previously they were close.

Also, Boldin played all those games with Flacco, Kamar was catching from Schaub/Mallett half the season and no relief around him

[kjbmore]

15 minutes ago, Wildabeast88 said:

Trust me I'm a Huge Boldin guy he was super clutch and be was one of my favorites, but if we check the stats I get it but here it is

Aiken 75 944 5 

Boldin 2010 64 837 7

Boldin 2011 58 887 3

Boldin 2012 65 921 4 

i get you can't place a price on clutch I'm just saying the Boldin in Ltimore wasn't the Arizona Boldin but the stats are very comparable like I said previously they were close.

we can make so many arguments using stats for or against our case 

when boldin put up his numbers - were we spreading targets around with other guys, would we not run the pill a fair bit

when aiken put up his he was basically last man standing - he's getting all the targets

its all hypothetical's - we can compare apples n oranges all day, season starts soon - we'll see real results on the field 

right now would i feel comfortable going into playoff games with aiken as my #1 receiver ???

i think id want my 2 & 3 to be pretty good, plus my tight ends - which is kind of what we look to do, again fingers crossed the man balls out and we can pretty much be set at the position

 

[Wildabeast88]

6 hours ago, kjbmore said:

we can make so many arguments using stats for or against our case 

when boldin put up his numbers - were we spreading targets around with other guys, would we not run the pill a fair bit

when aiken put up his he was basically last man standing - he's getting all the targets

its all hypothetical's - we can compare apples n oranges all day, season starts soon - we'll see real results on the field 

right now would i feel comfortable going into playoff games with aiken as my #1 receiver ???

i think id want my 2 & 3 to be pretty good, plus my tight ends - which is kind of what we look to do, again fingers crossed the man balls out and we can pretty much be set at the position

 

I get what you are saying Aiken in the 2nd half had 60 catches for 611 and 3 TDs in 8 games I get he was last man standing but he stepped up huge. He was getting teams number 1 CBs at that time like I said I'm a huge Boldin guy one of my favrites ever, but Aiken was a beast the 2nd half after being near invisible during the 1st half. Remember last year everyone said Aiken was no more than a number 3 and finished with almost 1000 yards I jut want to give credit where credit is due. I hope we are healthy and he doesn't need to carry the load by himself. 

[BmoreBird22]

7 hours ago, kjbmore said:

when boldin put up his numbers - were we spreading targets around with other guys, would we not run the pill a fair bit

when aiken put up his he was basically last man standing - he's getting all the targets

Aiken was receiving about one more target per game, on average.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 hours ago, Newsome is Awesome said:

What you'll find is that Big Stanley has predominantly faced 2nd and 3rd stringers.  He's done an adequate job in that capacity, but there's been more going on than PFF or RSR are going to be capable of deciphering. 

The primary issue is snaps vs non starters, but there is more.

The average time the QB's are holding the ball is very short. PFF discuss that?  What about RSR?  The reason is those entities are not comprehensive. They are actually creating numbers for situations against non starters and in situations where the ball is held for extremely short periods of time. The latter is Trestman's influence.

Indy used players that laid way off our receivers. Reminded me immensely of the Patriot playoff game loss in 2014.  We couldn't cover close either.

Anyway, I'd be real careful in drawing conclusions before the season begins. That scene you've posted is a quick release again and if the play wasn't over in short order, it may not have been as good a block as implied. 

So what you're saying is, you're incredibly biased and will reach for the high heavens to make the most miniscule of arguments.

[BmoreBird22]

32 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

So what you're saying is, you're incredibly biased and will reach for the high heavens to make the most miniscule of arguments.

I mean, hey, it doesn't matter that Tunsil is struggling at LG against backups with an offense that emphasizes quick release, but it does for Stanley, who faced starters since he is the starting LT, but that's not none of my business.

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I mean, hey, it doesn't matter that Tunsil is struggling at LG against backups with an offense that emphasizes quick release, but it does for Stanley, who faced starters since he is the starting LT, but that's not none of my business.

Tunsil is doing just fine because he gave an aggressive block into the running lane once, and Stanley is just a choir boy and the ravens are scared to take the clearly superior player because he has been surrounded by drama for the past 3 years and has never played a full season and comes from a very handicapping system, stupid reasons to pass on a stud like Tunsil 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, kjbmore said:

I feel Aiken is serviceable but I'd like more than serviceable- I just keep rolling back to out SB winning side boldin, torrey, jacoby- can we win a SB with Aiken as one of our main targets?

Just hoping if perriman, Moore, camp work out - we add a big strong receiver to mix in. 

With our young tight ends and backs - hopefully it's a solid group moving forward 

Aiken was as productive as Boldin's best season with us last year.

Yes we can win with Aiken. Dude is becoming a legit possession beast.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 hours ago, Newsome is Awesome said:

What you'll find is that Big Stanley has predominantly faced 2nd and 3rd stringers.  He's done an adequate job in that capacity, but there's been more going on than PFF or RSR are going to be capable of deciphering. 

The primary issue is snaps vs non starters, but there is more.

The average time the QB's are holding the ball is very short. PFF discuss that?  What about RSR?  The reason is those entities are not comprehensive. They are actually creating numbers for situations against non starters and in situations where the ball is held for extremely short periods of time. The latter is Trestman's influence.

Indy used players that laid way off our receivers. Reminded me immensely of the Patriot playoff game loss in 2014.  We couldn't cover close either.

Anyway, I'd be real careful in drawing conclusions before the season begins. That scene you've posted is a quick release again and if the play wasn't over in short order, it may not have been as good a block as implied. 

Ok, list for me his snap count against starters and then against back ups. Oh, you dont have that data? Oh, youre just making generalized statements that arent true? Thought so.

How quickly were the Ravens QBs getting the ball out on average? Oh you dont know that either? How does that compare to other NFL teams thus far in the offseason whose LT's are struggling? Are we holding it longer or getting rid of the ball quicker? Oh, so you dont know any of that? Thought so.

 

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